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@JohnRedcorn Example a doesn't apply too well since Wii outsold both PS3 and 360.

Edit: adjusted cause read something wrong and phone going stupid lol

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222. Posted:

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@JohnRedcorn Dude there was a lot of people on these forums saying PS4 and XB1 launches would not be any better than the Wii U. Trust me. Example a doesn't apply too well since Wii outsold both PS3 and 360.

Which forums are you talking about?

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Super_Gravy wrote:

RancidVomit86 wrote:

@JohnRedcorn Dude there was a lot of people on these forums saying PS4 and XB1 launches would not be any better than the Wii U. Trust me. Example a doesn't apply too well since Wii outsold both PS3 and 360.

Which forums are you talking about?

I read what I typed wrong. Phone kept jumping all over page as was trying to type.

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224. Posted:

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@JohnRedcorn Dude there was a lot of people on these forums saying PS4 and XB1 launches would not be any better than the Wii U. Trust me. Example a doesn't apply too well since Wii outsold both PS3 and 360.

Which consoles had the most momentum going for them at the end of the last generation?
Which consoles didn't leave their owners feeling like they were ripped off as big releases began to slow to a trickle around 2010?

Tip: Not the Wii

Also, I wouldn't judge "success" just based on volume of sales alone. The Wii sold a ton at the start then sales dropped off a cliff, while the other systems started slow then increased in sales. The Wii left a lot of consumers feeling like they had been ripped off because the console was virtually abandoned during the last couple years of its life, while the PS3/360 are still going strong and receiving strong software support.

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Good point. I agree that Nintendo's later Wii support was lackluster, while PS3 was still getting Killzone, PS Battle Royal, and Nu Ni Kuni. If you consider that Sony was expecting to sell PS3 for another 4 years after Wii U launched, it gives more perspective on it being difficult to release another console to start all over. Seeing as Wii was basically a 6th gen motion machine, it shouldn't surprise anyone that Nintendo had to release a new console sooner than that. Sony probably didn't even need to release the PS4, because PS3 is finally not being sold at a loss and arguably can still supply some good games, but releasing PS4 and even Vita cuts PSP and PS3's actual lifecycles in half, IMO.

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The same can be said about Nintendo. GBA, DS, and Wii all sold over 100 million consoles, so what's your point?
http://www.gamnesia.com/articles/nintendos-lifetime-hardware-...

Even the NES sold gangbusters at around 60 million. Not only that, but what you're saying is relevant, happened years ago. You're going to have to go into more detail about why it matters.

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Ya, really. PS4 owners have an exclusive game that is comparable, but still admittedly different, and still decided to buy the multiplat game tat comes out every year.

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I didn't see anymore hype than what I thought the Wii U had, so I didn't make anything of it.

I specifically said home console for a reason and I was pointing out how each Sony home console has been successful because Sony know how to market them appropriately, why do you have to jump down peoples throat.

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kkslider5552000 wrote:

Even ignoring the validity of the idea, I'm going with PS4's success and Wii U's issues being traced back to their previous consoles' later support because I will never be more disappointed with Nintendo than the time they let NOTHING come out over here between Mario Sports Mix and Kirby while also having a terrible launch window for their new handheld. I mean they righted a wrong a few months later as you all know, but that killed Nintendo's momentum in a way I have not seen since Microsoft bought Rare. Especially bad since I was hardcore Wii defender before that point.

Yeah, I feel that the Wii was pretty much abandoned after Mario Galaxy's 2 release in 2010. We got a game here and there (like Kirby and Zelda), but not a whole lot. What's even more annoying, the fans were practically BEGGING Nintendo of America to release Xenoblade and The Last Story because they had nothing left to play after Skyword Sword, and Nintendo seemed uninterested in doing so. Then when they finally released Xenoblade, they did so in limited quantities and only at GameStop and Nintendo Online Store.

I hope Nintendo doesn't make the same mistake with the 3DS, which is on a roll right now.

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Jazzer94 wrote:

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@Jazzer94
The same can be said about Nintendo. GBA, DS, and Wii all sold over 100 million consoles, so what's your point?
http://www.gamnesia.com/articles/nintendos-lifetime-hardware-...

Even the NES sold gangbusters at around 60 million. Not only that, but what you're saying is relevant, happened years ago. You're going to have to go into more detail about why it matters.

@shingi_70
Ya, really. PS4 owners have an exclusive game that is comparable, but still admittedly different, and still decided to buy the multiplat game tat comes out every year.

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I didn't see anymore hype than what I thought the Wii U had, so I didn't make anything of it.

I specifically said home console for a reason and I was pointing out how each Sony home console has been successful because Sony know how to market them appropriately, why do you have to jump down peoples throat.

Well, that still doesn't exactly mean anything if all you say is that PS1 & 2 sold well. That's a given. You didn't say anything about marketing at all.

I don't get what you mean by jumping down people's throats. I was just asking you to further access why that those numbers matter. Most of these consoles were heavily marketed. PS3 still continues to be heavily marketed, but it never even made an money.

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229. Posted:

JohnRedcorn wrote:

RancidVomit86 wrote:

@JohnRedcorn Dude there was a lot of people on these forums saying PS4 and XB1 launches would not be any better than the Wii U. Trust me. Example a doesn't apply too well since Wii outsold both PS3 and 360.

Which consoles had the most momentum going for them at the end of the last generation?
Which consoles didn't leave their owners feeling like they were ripped off as big releases began to slow to a trickle around 2010?

Tip: Not the Wii

Also, I wouldn't judge "success" just based on volume of sales alone. The Wii sold a ton at the start then sales dropped off a cliff, while the other systems started slow then increased in sales. The Wii left a lot of consumers feeling like they had been ripped off because the console was virtually abandoned during the last couple years of its life, while the PS3/360 are still going strong and receiving strong software support.

Exactly. The Wii sold like crazy at first, but by 2009/2010, Craigslist and eBay were absolutely full of used Wiis. A lot of people bought the system only for Wii Sports and Wii Fit and got bored after a few months. Those of us who kept the system were eventually treated to Skyward Sword and Xenoblade but to the majority of casual gamers who bought the system, the Wii was yesterday's news.
Compare that to the PS3, which kept getting huge new releases like Ni no Kuni, The Last of Us, Gran Turismo 6, GTA5 and Minecraft very late in the console's life. Ironically, the PS3 was being called a failure in its early days but has really taken off the past few years with some of its best games being released shortly before the PS4's launch.

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230. Posted:

JohnRedcorn wrote:

RancidVomit86 wrote:

@JohnRedcorn Dude there was a lot of people on these forums saying PS4 and XB1 launches would not be any better than the Wii U. Trust me. Example a doesn't apply too well since Wii outsold both PS3 and 360.

Which consoles had the most momentum going for them at the end of the last generation?
Which consoles didn't leave their owners feeling like they were ripped off as big releases began to slow to a trickle around 2010?

Tip: Not the Wii

Also, I wouldn't judge "success" just based on volume of sales alone. The Wii sold a ton at the start then sales dropped off a cliff, while the other systems started slow then increased in sales. The Wii left a lot of consumers feeling like they had been ripped off because the console was virtually abandoned during the last couple years of its life, while the PS3/360 are still going strong and receiving strong software support.

This no further explanation needed the consoles are selling according to their predecessors momentum..... PS3 had the best momentum at the end of the generation, 360 had decent momentum and Wii had zero momentum (Wii did better at the beginning of the generation and 360 did better in the middle of the generation but for next gen console sales what matter is who had the momentum at the end of the previous generation and it was the PS3)

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231. Posted:

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Exactly. The Wii sold like crazy at first, but by 2009/2010, Craigslist and eBay were absolutely full of used Wiis. A lot of people bought the system only for Wii Sports and Wii Fit and got bored after a few months.

This is just complete misinformation. Have you seen the Wii software sales? Something like 900 million games. Those don't come from Wii Sports and Wii Fit alone. Just this past year, the Wii version of Just Dance 2014 was by far the best-selling version of the game, once again. And Mario Kart Wii sold a million more on top of all the previous millions. People are still buying Wii games - more than they are buying Wii U games!

Just look at Ubisoft: 11 % of their sales the past two quarters were from Wii, with only 2 % from Wii U despite new games: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/02/just_2_percent_of_ub...

Wii owners are still playing their consoles, and of course there are a lot of them used, because it has been out for 7 years, after all. But if Nintendo hadn't diverted their resources to saving the 3DS and then to making Wii U software, the Wii could still be going. Imagine what would have happened if Wii had got Wii Sports 3 or New Super Mario Bros. Wii 2 and other high-profile releases on top of what games it got in its last years.

As for the Wii U, I'm actually considering replacing it with a PS3 or PS4 as my main console, just so I don't have to play with the stupid Gamepad. The way that controller is forced upon you is so obnoxious.

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232. Posted:

SCAR392 wrote:

Jazzer94 wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

@Jazzer94
The same can be said about Nintendo. GBA, DS, and Wii all sold over 100 million consoles, so what's your point?
http://www.gamnesia.com/articles/nintendos-lifetime-hardware-...

Even the NES sold gangbusters at around 60 million. Not only that, but what you're saying is relevant, happened years ago. You're going to have to go into more detail about why it matters.

@shingi_70
Ya, really. PS4 owners have an exclusive game that is comparable, but still admittedly different, and still decided to buy the multiplat game tat comes out every year.

EDIT: @Unca_LZ
I didn't see anymore hype than what I thought the Wii U had, so I didn't make anything of it.

I specifically said home console for a reason and I was pointing out how each Sony home console has been successful because Sony know how to market them appropriately, why do you have to jump down peoples throat.

Well, that still doesn't exactly mean anything if all you say is that PS1 & 2 sold well. That's a given. You didn't say anything about marketing at all.

I don't get what you mean by jumping down people's throats. I was just asking you to further access why that those numbers matter. Most of these consoles were heavily marketed. PS3 still continues to be heavily marketed, but it never even made an money.

Do I have to when the previous post is talking about hype which is directly linked to marketing.

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@Jazzer94
Ya, because commercials don't really affect everyone. I've seen plenty of commercials about Xbox One and PS4, but I haven't seen that many for Wii U. It still doesn't change my opinion.

So ya. Marketing might or might not be important, depending on the person, but it would be important to me as an individual, if it gave me any information that I didn't know about, otherwise.

EDIT: I'm not saying marketing is entirely pointless, but I also realize that it needs to be something that can actually change an opinion, otherwise it's not that effective, if at all.

EDIT2: BTW, Nintendo Directs are a form of marketing, but there isn't a Nintendo show on TV, for example, so maybe that's something they're looking into. Who knows?

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@Jazzer94
Ya, because commercials don't really affect everyone. I've seen plenty of commercials about Xbox One and PS4, but I haven't seen that many for Wii U. It still doesn't change my opinion.

So ya. Marketing might or might not be important, depending on the person, but it would be important to me as an individual, if it gave me any information that I didn't know about, otherwise.

EDIT: I'm not saying marketing is entirely pointless, but I also realize that it needs to be something that can actually change an opinion, otherwise it's not that effective, if at all.

EDIT2: BTW, Nintendo Directs are a form of marketing, but there isn't a Nintendo show, so maybe that's something they're looking into.

Wii-U had ZERO marketing = a year later, most consumers still don't know what a Wii-U is

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I still think Nintendo should of showing it on E3 for the TV. I mean everyone detect to PS4 from Xbox One since the E3. I don't think most of them realize that Xbox One drop the DRM plan.

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SCAR392 wrote:

@Jazzer94
Ya, because commercials don't really affect everyone. I've seen plenty of commercials about Xbox One and PS4, but I haven't seen that many for Wii U. It still doesn't change my opinion.

So ya. Marketing might or might not be important, depending on the person, but it would be important to me as an individual, if it gave me any information that I didn't know about, otherwise.

EDIT: I'm not saying marketing is entirely pointless, but I also realize that it needs to be something that can actually change an opinion, otherwise it's not that effective, if at all.

EDIT2: BTW, Nintendo Directs are a form of marketing, but there isn't a Nintendo show, so maybe that's something they're looking into.

Wii-U had ZERO marketing = a year later, most consumers still don't know what a Wii-U is

So what's the difference between knowing about Wii U, before it is released, and year after it's release? That would be the real question, IMO.

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SCAR392 wrote:

EDIT2: BTW, Nintendo Directs are a form of marketing, but there isn't a Nintendo show on TV, for example, so maybe that's something they're looking into. Who knows?

Nintendo Directs as much as I enjoy them are a form of marketing to people who have already brought their devices and do little to bring in new consumers and btw of course marketing is important to get new customers.

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Jazzer94 wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

EDIT2: BTW, Nintendo Directs are a form of marketing, but there isn't a Nintendo show on TV, for example, so maybe that's something they're looking into. Who knows?

Nintendo Directs as much as I enjoy them are a form of marketing to people who have already brought their devices and do little to bring in new consumers and btw of course marketing is important to get new customers.

All I'm getting from the Nintendo Directs, is that they need to be able to give that sort of information to a bigger demographic. Say, for example, this Nintendo show that entertains viewers while informing them about products, replaces the Nintendo Directs.

Everyone that followed Nintendo's news carefully, would be getting the same information about their products and projects as anyone else who watches the show for whatever reason.

EDIT: That Nintendo info stream that was on Wii Nintendo Channel is a pretty good example, or maybe Nintendo Video on the 3DS.

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EDIT: That Nintendo info stream that was on Wii Nintendo Channel is a pretty good example, or maybe Nintendo Video on the 3DS.

But then they are still only directing their marketing at people who own their devices while failing to bring in new consumers.

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EDIT: That Nintendo info stream that was on Wii Nintendo Channel is a pretty good example, or maybe Nintendo Video on the 3DS.

But then they are still only directing their marketing at people who own their devices while failing to bring in new consumers.

That's why it's supposed to be entertaining for everyone. Another example would be The Wizard. I don't specifically know how popular that movie was, but it made people aware of Super Mario Bros. 3, so tons of people bought it when it came out.

They need to combine entertainment with information, IMO.

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