Topic: The most important Nintendo article you will read

Do you think if certain third party releases on the Wii-U included online modes or DLC, like their PS3/360 versions, they would sell any better? My guess would be no. COD, Splinter Cell, and other games have included online content, and they all sold poorly. If anything, the third party developers are screwed either way. They spend extra money and time to release a complete game on the Wii-U that will sell poorly, or they cut corners and save money by releasing a gimped version and sell the same amount or slightly less.

Either way, the problem is that third party developers don't turn a big enough profit on the Wii-U to bother putting games on it.

@kkslider5552000
I didn't get Little King's Story but to be fair I didn't like Pikmin series at all. I'm not listening to those Nintendo fans saying that I should play Pikmin 3 because that game is better than Pikmin and Pikmin 2.

I guess I should play Beyond Good and Evil then. I may prefer some Zelda games over Okami but I wish there are more Okami out there. (There are only two Okami games and I didn't get the DS version yet.)

Oh gosh! Shadow Complex is the best Metroid game I ever play in my life. I still love Metroid Fusion, Super Metroid, and even Metroid 2 but Shadow Complex is just pain too good. I wish they are making more Shadow Complex games. After I play Shadow Complex, I never regret buying an Xbox 360 ever.

I thought I might like Paper Mario: Sticker Star but… I realize it is not the same type of games I usually play on the N64 so here that.

I don't agree with blaming Nintendo fanboys for lack of third party sales on the platform.

That's not our problem, it's nintendos problem. It's up to them to be more successful, it's not the fanboys responsibility to drag them to success. It's not even possible for fanboys to change their fortunes.

Buying third party titles on Nintendo just because of some ideal as a way to help make them be more successful is just a silly foolish idea. Buy the games you want to play and not because of some fanboy logic. Your not going to make much difference if you do that.

yup the good 3rd party games will sell themselves(MONSTER HUNTER!!!!!!!!!!!!) but the fanboys DO scare the non fanboys away. the louder the fanboys the worse it'll be to the company(but not in the 3rd party regard)
but I didn't see this 3rd party thing on the article(maybe I didn't notice as I read fast to compensate the huge size)

@blaisedinsd: I think the audiences are quite different. I may be in minority but I bought PS3 just for 3rd party games. I was hoping to keep the PS3 for a while before I jump on the next console either PS4 or Xbox One. (I might get PS4 instead of Xbox One due to the fact I have an Vita and I don't mind playing PS4 remotely in my house.)

I agree, and it depends which console we are talking about. I don't think you can just lump them all together and say these are the fanboys buying habits.

The audiences are quite different. This is a brand image type of thing. It's not neccessarily a bad thing, Nintendo just needs to execute on it's brand better. Forget the casuals, but the family friendly budget console that offers something different is a perfectly viable market to target. The Wii U is missing these people mostly right now because the console costs too much. It costs more than a PS3 or 360 with a huge library of games, so the Wii U really has no way to sway the budget gamers away from those consoles and the gamepad is not going to get them either. The gamers with more income are going to the PS4 and Xbone. Third party multi-platform games are not the answer here. The best thing is to continue to make the Wii U a better value proposition, game bundles help as well as lower priced games and controllers (The pro-controller should not be $50, it is a classic controller with clickable sticks, vibration, a battery, and bluetooth....classic is $20 and pro is $50?) and more family friendly software. The gamepad should be emphasized for it's off TV play and local multiplayer aspects that will appeal to families.

The other audience Nintendo needs to focus on is it's fans. I never had an N64, a Gamecube, or a Gameboy advance. Nintendos marketing is so poor, that as a childless un-married person at the time I didn't even know GBA existed until the DS lite started to blow up. After the DS exploded the Wii did as well. DS and Wii brought Nintendo back in to my consciousness, I played Nintendo games for the first time in years and I thought they were great. I went back and started playing the games I missed on the older consoles too. Mario Kart and Smash are hugely important titles that can not afford to disappoint their fans. They need to deliver big time on these and convince people who loved these games on Wii that they need the new game on Wii U.

Yup this whole situation is upside down; take away Nintendo's fan base and you alienate the last and final pillar of their business.
Nintendo doesn't have to listen to its fans on every matter, and I don't even think it does.

The author is playing the blame game, and waves a long pointy finger at the fans. _{Remember Capcom?} ...
While I agree that appealing to the traditional fan might amount to a monochrome future, the solution is to expand and push their offerings in a new direction. Call it the Next Generation if it makes your product sound more appealing, just so long as Nintendo makes an effort to carve out a new identity for its product. And its fanbase if necessary, but that's really Nintendo's ball game, and no amount of belly aching will change that.

This part of the article sums you up:

"The fanboy does not see failure. The fanboy does not accept criticism. Indeed, the fanboy does not even have criticism of that to which he is a fanboy. And if he does, it’s rare—almost desperate, a bid to attempt to prove that no, he’s not a fanboy, he labeled a criticism!"

I have seen you trying to (wrongly) justify the Wii U being more powerful than people claim it to be as well as neglecting any obvious mistakes Nintendo continues to make.

@Peek-a-boo
The situation is different. You can't compare how things are now, to how they were.

I'm wrongfully justifying the Wii U? Seriously? You guys are wrongfully criticising it. It's a 2 way sreet, and you're only seeing it one way.

Besides, I have plenty of criticism for Xbox One and PS4. People don't give a damn about criticism aimed towards those consoles, so it's hypocritical to expect that you can criticise, but not receive criticism.

Once the word "fanboy" is thrown about, you forfeit any effort or chance of understanding.

If you think Wii U is genuinely a "worse" console, then nothing is stopping you from buying another console.

Hey guys, contrary to popular belief it is possible to discuss the article at hand without taking pot-shots at one another and taking it to a personal level. If we can't handle that, I may have to hand down some temp-bans. Thank you all in advance for keeping things civil! :3

In other news, PSN was down temporarily this week, and Sony is still continuing to sell their buildings.

Xbox One and PS4 don't have true BC or digital purchase support from their 7th gen iterations.

So much for handling criticism, eh?

@theblackdragon: I challenge you to pot-shots duel! So we can take it personal! And… aww… crap I forgot you have an power to ban people! Never mind!

@blaisedinsd: I think you are right about the brand. I mean everyone know Sony make good products in the past which explains the high sale of PS1. I still disagree with the article that N64 is a poor console. In my area, PS1 is still popular because it is cheap and there are variety of games but they wished they got an N64 for some of the great games. They always want to play Super Smash Bros, Mario Kart 64, Mario Tennis, Diddy Kong Racing, Golden Eyes, Perfect Dark, and even Star Fox 64 in multiplayers. I can't remember the last time I play multiplayers with the PS1 owners beside Crash Racing.

To be fair, we are all young and don't have an jobs to buy an consoles and I think the parents buy PS1 in the past because they know they can trust Sony.

Sony also just recently brought another factory that made parts for the Wii U businesses are selling and buying assets constantly so thats a moot point, BC is always a nice added feature but should not be seen as a negative as the point of a new system is to play new games.
Edit: my mistake Sony are planning to by the factory haven't yet.

Lack of BC is a big problem for me. A) New systems have almost no games, BC fixes that by letting you play the library you already have. B) I spent thousands on Xbox Live and I can't bring it with me to the next console? Why not? I bought into the digital marketplace, but now that you are giving me different hardware I can keep my digital purchases? I am not going to hold onto my old consoles, they take up too much room and I had a old 360 that I was surprised didn't RROD already. C) You aren't even offering a deal where I can pay a small fee for each game to keep them and run them using a emulator? Why not? Extra money for them. More games for me. Win, Win.

I like how the Wii U has BC and Virtual Console. I like how Nintendo is handling VC(maybe faster releases would be nice when I get a job). Lack of Backwards Compatibility can defiantly be a negative point against consoles.

@Jazzer94
My point was that there is criticism to be had with all these companies, whether they make your console of choice or not.

PS4 and Xbox One lack BC, and that's arguably a feature that some may have wanted. Sony doesn't have the Move or PS Eye bundled with consoles, in turn will most likely result in less software that supports those peripherals.

By saying that it's ok for Xbox One and PS4 to lack BC, you're "defending" them. You're being a "fanboy"(not directed at anyone in particular, FYI) if you think it's ok for Xbox One and PS4 to lack ext HDD support, or exclude bluetooth 4.0.

In conclusion, calling someone a "fanboy" benefits no one, because your criticism is based on another entity that has criticism about it as well.

"if you’re not buying third party games on that Nintendo system, you’re not supporting the company at all."

Total bullpoopoodoodoocacapoopledoople. I buy the games I want, regardless of the manufacturer. I'm not going to buy games I don't like just to support a console. It's not my role to support a console blindly. This is like saying I'm not supporting Directv because I don't use the pay-per-view channels, or I'm not supporting the supermarket because I don't purchase the store brands.

Nintendo's audience is not the same audience as the Xbox or PS audience. You can't just port a game to a Nintendo console and expect it to succeed because it succeeded on another console.

Nintendo fans supported Nintendo by buying 100 million Wiis, but many developers did not support it. It's my fault that companies didn't see value in creating games for 100 million potential buyers?
_{Please watch the profanity — TBD}

I agree with you but I don't think he says you should buy games you don't want. If you buy 3rd Party on a different platform then you are not supporting Nintendo. Supporting Nintendo doesn't just mean buying their products but buying products, you want, on their system. If people really want Nintendo to do well then buy 3rd Party, you are interested in, on a Nintendo system. If it is missing content then that is the 3rd Party Company trying to get you to support them on a different platform so they don't have to spend time supporting the Nintendo Platform. I think that is what he means by, "if you’re not buying third party games on that Nintendo system, you’re not supporting the company at all."

@SCAR392

To be perfectly honest I'd rather Nintendo would have forgone BC for X86. It hasn't done the Wii U any favors tbh. It pits their next platform in a a curious poation since if they move to X86 without throwing in Wii U hardware for emulation they're losing the BC of two consoles. Get Microsoft and more promenitlt don't are working on streaming tech to stop the blow of lacking BC.

If you think this is an article demanding you get games solely for the sake of getting 3rd party games, you are actively trying to miss the point.