Topic: THE GRINDER - Come on and publish this Nintendo!

That doesn't make sense.

Maybe if it gave sense he wouldn't be giving the teachers F's.

@Canius When I spoke about the community, I didn't mean who comprises the community, but rather the size of the community that still plays L4D2.

Compare the PC community to the 360. You could do the same to TF2, look at 360 and PS3, then look at PC.

For a Valve game, heavily reliant on multiplayer, a more popular and long-lasting community is better.

This makes perfect sense. I can't tell you the amount of times I've sat through a class and my knowledge of the subject equalled or surpassed that of the instructor. It's simple really. What don't you guys get about it?

There was a thread a while back about The Grinder that had some good (iirc) discussion in it. I was really looking forward to this game as it did share some co-op similarities to the L4D franchise. I believe it was also rumored to have a decent in-game chat function which I think was a rarity in Wii games.

@SCAR392 is it me or have you not mentioned one HVS game you've played while defending them as a good developer. I've played the conduit and its an ok game so from my experience with HVS is not that good of a developer. As for other games not looking as good as HVS's games I give you Red Steel 2 which looks a lot better than the Conduit

@Scar try picking the conduit used at GameStop if you want to play it you can get it there for $10

HVS aren't the greatest of developers,but I'd like to see The Grinder returning.

Let me give a little support to scar here. Yes HVS weren't the greatest when it came to game design, but the Conduit games were some decent first person action titles on the Wii. The fact that they weren't up to much compared to what was on other platforms isn't really relevant to those of us who only had the Wii or, more importantly, don't think much of this style of game. Yes it was very old school: linear and with a largely basic weapon load out. Nevertheless it looked nice and ticked the boxes for anyone looking to blast some aliens for a few hours. Until hacking ruined the party it was a decent time online as well; in fact the best online gaming experience I had on the Wii and that includes Black Ops which was hopelessly laggy and dominated by Americans (no offence, but I expect server location contributed greatly to the lag).

I also would like to see the Grinder surface in some form, far more than any more Call of Duty games - unless Activision plans HD remakes of the first two.

That has never, ever happened to me. In fact, from my experience, most of the time when anyone thinks they know more than the teacher, they don't actually know nearly as much as they think they do. Usually it's just arrogance.

Only time I ever felt the teacher wasn't teaching me anything was when I wasn't understanding what the teacher was trying to teach, in which case all anyone has to do is ask for help...which isn't always easy, but it's just what you gotta do.

They already did that.

He was being sarcastic. I hope...

It's hard to tell whan I've heard people say that exact same thing seriously.

/the internet

Also, this reminds me, I should play some more Left 4 Dead 2. I don't think I ever played more than half the levels, which is a shame since I loved the first game.

also the main point against this game beyond the obvious of HVS being losers is that trying to compete with the quality of most Valve games is a bad idea.

Ya, I haven't played any of the games, but kept up with them while they were being made on Wii. I've watched gameplay videos and saw it was a good game from what I would expect from a FPS. They were sold out when I looked for them new in my area, and were expensive as hell even when I did find them a while later, and I was younger, so cash was a problem.

As for the teacher thing... In all honesty, I loved math class for a while, because I was super good at it(had senior math classes pretty much since I was in 7th grade), and english. I haven't found use in any of this stuff beyond the class room really, so I count that as useless lessons. I feel alot of what they teach you is common sense, and is basically teaching an abandoned baby how to walk, without any emotion. I might be going way over the top, but still...

I get you, I thought the same thing. I think everyone does. Once you get to the point where you have to think about your future, you start to think about what's more important to learn - what will actually benefit you. Still, none of what they taught lacks practical applications, it's just that it depends on the work you eventually do. Except English, that's always important.

And yeah, The Conduit ticked most of the boxes to be a good FPS, but so did Halo and Red Steel 2, and those games did it a lot better, IMO. The Conduit just felt lifeless, like the developers weren't even trying, and the videos I saw of The Grinder had the same problem as well. Everything felt like a blantant retread, yet somehow missed certain design aspects that made games with genuine effort put into them stand out. I can say the same for a few other games HMV made that I got to play. Unless something's changed in the time since The Grinder was last shown off, I don't think HMV has what it takes to put out a really good FPS. I mean, The Wii U's getting some better FPSes already, right? I can't see why there'd be any point in bothering anymore. I think it's better to hope for Left4Dead 3 on the Wii U if you really must have a game in this vein.

You know, sometimes I think making fun of people's opinions just because they like the game is kinda unfair and lame...

but then I see the Metroid Prime Hunters guy in the DS vs. 3DS thread who can actually defend his opinion while looking at games objectively in some ways. If you can't do that, just go the route of something like "yeah, I know but I really like this game, I hope it comes out" and just leave it at that. You don't have to defend a game's honor or whatever with cliched statements about how every game ever or other excuses that completely miss anything beyond what is obvious to anyone who sees 10 minutes of game footage of any game ever. It's just kinda annoying and it wastes everyone's time on nothing in particular.

I will say I might be biased against this game existing because of how disappointed I am with N-Space, who made a largely mediocre shooter I really liked, and then could never live up to the potential shown in that game.

I'd rather see House of the Dead Overkill 2, I wonder what happened to that one...

Hopefully it's as dead as disco.

What's dead in the house, stays in the house. Haha. I was actually looking forward to alot of games that never made it to Wii, and haven't played tons of games I want for Wii that did make it either.

LMAO. You can't defend a game you've never played. Oh, you saw a video, big freakin' deal. There's a monumental difference between playing a game and watching a video.

I have conduit 2, by the way. It is pretty lifeless. It might look alright, but it's not that fun to play.

Really? Do you like arcade-style rail shooters? I personally thought HOTD Overkill was one of the best rail shooters I've played in a while. It was fun, had a lot of content for its genre and the campy nature was awesome. The only other rail shooter I had as much fun with was S&P2, and that's really a bit of a stretch to call it such.

The machine gun kinda ruined Overkill. It was a great game if you didn't use it, but it's just so damn tempting to use that game-breaking gun...

The tacked on storyline, silly forgettable characters and the annoying dialogue, is enough to make a grown man cry. Way too many unnecessary F-bombs made continuing tedious. Really tedious. I was just so annoyed by all the cussing.

The very nature of rail shooters is particularly being repetitive and with Overkill, it felt like it was never going to end. And the last boss was, in other words, unrewarding and dumb.