221skywakeWed 2nd Apr 2014 gage_wolf wrote: Bringing up CoD up in this forum has basically become the easy scapegoat to divert criticism away from Nintendo, and instantly makes any further discussion pointless. CoD is basically a competitive sport. And games like Smash Bros, Kart and Pokemon are not? Games like Starcraft are at the heart of the definition of eSports and those games have never taken it to the CoD extreme. If people want to accuse Nintendo of being uncreative and derivative with their content they need a better explanation than that. gage_wolf wrote: Compare the Wii U, in its current state, to the Wii, when it was a year in, as that's a fairer comparison, and tell me the Wii U doesn't seem underwhelming and less creative. Indeed. However you must also remember that the Wii got a lot of crap in its first year along the same lines. I got a Wii at launch and basically had nothing to play between Twilight Princess/Wii Sports at launch and the delayed release Super Paper Mario in Aus in August. That said, lets compare anyways Wii: Zack & Wiki Super Mario Galaxy Wii Sports Zelda: Twilight Princess Metroid Prime 3 Super Paper Mario Mario Strikers Charged Red Steel Wii U: Nintendo Land New SMB U Super Mario 3D World DKC:TF The Wonderful 101 Pikmin 3 Wind Waker HD Rayman Legends Zombi U I don't know, to me it seems like other than Galaxy and Wii Sports which were admittedly massive the Wii U's notable game's list looks pretty damn good. Is Zack and Wiki better than Rayman Legends? Does Twilight Princess really beat Wind Waker HD? I know Red Steel doesn't come close to ZombiU. I don't think you have that much of an argument here. Edited on Wed 2nd April, 2014 @ 06:56 by skywake Some good Aussie musics: King Gizzard, Pond, The Avalanches "Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"