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MAB

MadAussieBloke wrote:

This is what I mean though, we have come full circle back to the main point. Alot of those games people are padding the PSONE lists with you can get on PS360 & PC... The WiiU games you can only get on WiiU plus there is more you can add to my outdated list

Also add the 3DS to list and we can safely say Nintendo has already won Xmas anyway... I don't see anybody rushing out to get their grubby claws on a PSVita and its 2 year old catalogue of diddly squat

We're arguing whether NINTENDO can win Xmas according to the thread title

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Sleepingmudkip

The reason the wii u sold so bad the first year is websites fuilt ign,kataku...were making it worst then it really was and when X1 and ps4 comes out they will say ohh the ps4 looks better then x1 or x1 looks better the ps4...making jokes like im selling my wii u...and spreading lies near and after launch.the same thing will happen to other consoles and....fanboys will bug me on ign for saying a game is good.

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@Sleepingmudkip I think the Wii U's poor sales had more to do with near zero advertising and a rather small game library than anything websites say. There are plenty of people who aren't particularly pleased with their Wii U's right now (like me, although playing Rayman Legends is like eating the most wonderful chocolate) due to a particular lack of great games Nintendo platforms are usually known for.

How exactly are websites lying, anyways?

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uptownsoul wrote:

MadAussieBloke wrote:

This is what I mean though, we have come full circle back to the main point. Alot of those games people are padding the PSONE lists with you can get on PS360 & PC... The WiiU games you can only get on WiiU plus there is more you can add to my outdated list

Yes, and your main point is as irrelevant as it is correct. that is to say it is very irrelevant, and very correct. the wii u exclusives you can only get on a wii u. I agree whole heartedly. but there is no tangible evidence of any enthusiasm for those titles (except wind waker which has a little enthusiasm 65k preorders). the only place you can get a glass of milk is in the refrigerator, but it doesnt appear that anybody's thirsty. so nobody is going to the refrigerator (or wii u, in this case). Contrast that with over 1.19M preorders for the ps4, alone. thats on an install base of exactly zero. and thats with every single title except for Killzone, and maybe Destiny(I'm not sure) also being released on the ps3. and so i ask again, with all of these stats, you still think the wii u will win this holiday season? and you give me a list of exclusive games on the wii u that people are luke warm on, at best

Just so you know, the Wii U is going to "win" this gen overall. Why, you ask me? Because every single gen since the SNES, the "weakest" console has "won."

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moomoo wrote:

@Sleepingmudkip I think the Wii U's poor sales had more to do with near zero advertising and a rather small game library than anything websites say. There are plenty of people who aren't particularly pleased with their Wii U's right now (like me, although playing Rayman Legends is like eating the most wonderful chocolate) due to a particular lack of great games Nintendo platforms are usually known for.

How exactly are websites lying, anyways?

ok they are not lying they are over exaggerating(sorry for confusion)

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@uptownsoul
I agree with that. The weakest console argument doesn't work here. The reason why the weakest console won in the past is that it was cheaper and easier to develop for which made it less of a risk. Right now 3rd Party companies are in a race to rise development costs through the roof to where they all collapse. Right now, from what we hear from unreliable sources, the majority of people think Xbox One and PS4 are easier to develop for than the Wii U. So that means X1 and PS4 will get the games. We will have to wait and see what happens. I personally hope 3rd Parties get a brain and stop raising development costs, if that happens maybe games could be easier ported to Wii U making it a better contender.

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Be wary of judging a console launch by pre-order numbers. Remember what happened with the Wii U? There was a lot of hype about pre-orders and in the US they apparently put people on waiting lists outside of the pre-order so they would be the second group inline. A quick googling and I found some sites talking about potentially 3mill people who wanted to get a Wii U on day 1 in the US. Interesting given it has only sold 1.3mill in the US so far. This bit before launch is mostly manufactured hype so it's hard to tell what numbers are real and what ones are inflated.....

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skywake wrote:

Be wary of judging a console launch by pre-order numbers. Remember what happened with the Wii U? There was a lot of hype about pre-orders and in the US they apparently put people on waiting lists outside of the pre-order so they would be the second group inline. A quick googling and I found some sites talking about potentially 3mill people who wanted to get a Wii U on day 1 in the US. Interesting given it has only sold 1.3mill in the US so far. This bit before launch is mostly manufactured hype so it's hard to tell what numbers are real and what ones are inflated.....

Wasn't that mostly thanks to places like Gamestop basically saying "Hey, you want to be on a waiting list, just in case you want a Wii U?" Not to say you're wrong, since I'm sure Nintendo was behind that, and this could easily be the same thing, just wondering.

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skywake wrote:

Be wary of judging a console launch by pre-order numbers. Remember what happened with the Wii U? There was a lot of hype about pre-orders and in the US they apparently put people on waiting lists outside of the pre-order so they would be the second group inline. A quick googling and I found some sites talking about potentially 3mill people who wanted to get a Wii U on day 1 in the US. Interesting given it has only sold 1.3mill in the US so far. This bit before launch is mostly manufactured hype so it's hard to tell what numbers are real and what ones are inflated.....

I think the amount of supplies is another problem that always affects sales. No body, or at least not many, wanted the Basic Wii U and that caused a lot of people to wait for the Deluxe Set to be available. That waiting causes parents to change their minds or wait until next year. That is going to happen to both Xbox One and PS4, most likely. The Wii U will be a nice alternative to those people stuck waiting but wanting (or needing if they can't say no to their kids) to get holiday presents for their kids. Wii U is in a nice spot, lets hope they advertise right and use their year already on the market to their advantage, mostly showing off their larger number of games and having plenty of stock from manufacturing all year.

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MAB

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uptownsoul wrote:

MadAussieBloke wrote:

This is what I mean though, we have come full circle back to the main point. Alot of those games people are padding the PSONE lists with you can get on PS360 & PC... The WiiU games you can only get on WiiU plus there is more you can add to my outdated list

Yes, and your main point is as irrelevant as it is correct. that is to say it is very irrelevant, and very correct. the wii u exclusives you can only get on a wii u. I agree whole heartedly. but there is no tangible evidence of any enthusiasm for those titles (except wind waker which has a little enthusiasm 65k preorders). the only place you can get a glass of milk is in the refrigerator, but it doesnt appear that anybody's thirsty. so nobody is going to the refrigerator (or wii u, in this case). Contrast that with over 1.19M preorders for the ps4, alone. thats on an install base of exactly zero. and thats with every single title except for Killzone, and maybe Destiny(I'm not sure) also being released on the ps3. and so i ask again, with all of these stats, you still think the wii u will win this holiday season? and you give me a list of exclusive games on the wii u that people are luke warm on, at best

Just so you know, the Wii U is going to "win" this gen overall. Why, you ask me? Because every single gen since the SNES, the "weakest" console has "won."

This is always the truth... It's not a matter of 'will Nintendo win' but more of the fact 'Nintendo will win'

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micronean

Sony_70 wrote:

CaviarMeths wrote:

uptownsoul wrote:

there are just as many preorders for the system sellers(call of duty, watchdogs,battlefield, assassin's creed) on xb1&ps4 as on the 360/ps3..

Which is, well, exactly what I said. These games' availability on current gen consoles will cut into their sales on next gen consoles. By your own words, 50% of these sales are not going to next gen consoles (excluding Wii U).

Depends though especially with the upgrade fee. I'm buying the $70 version of ghosts that has a digital copy of both the Xbox One and 360 games. Any other games that have similar deals i'll do the same. Also for PS4 (and I'm assuming xbox one) if you buy the PS3 version you can get the PS4 game for just $10. I'd easily double dip that way.

That doesn't make any sense.
Since we're talking about Christmas sales, why would anyone buy a copy for ps3/x360 game at the same time period as one for a Xbox One/PS4?? The logical assumption here is that the people who are going to buy the current-gen version have no intent to buy a PS4/Xbox One this Christmas.

...the $10 promotion only makes sense if you buy a current-gen game at Christmas, but intend on getting the nex-gen version months later (and thereby nullifying a christmas sale for XboxOne/PS4), but then you run the danger of having no discount at all, as by springtime that same game will be on the used/discount rack anyway.

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Sleepingmudkip wrote:

The reason the wii u sold so bad the first year is websites fuilt ign,kataku...were making it worst then it really was and when X1 and ps4 comes out they will say ohh the ps4 looks better then x1 or x1 looks better the ps4...making jokes like im selling my wii u...and spreading lies near and after launch.the same thing will happen to other consoles and....fanboys will bug me on ign for saying a game is good.

I think this is part of it--and will also be a factor in sales for the next 8-12 months. I can't help but have it remind me of the Nintendo DS. When it launched, the websites dismissed/derided it the same way: that it looked ridiculous, that it was a toy, that it was underpowered, that nobody wanted/needed two screens, and--most importantly--that we're all waiting for the real "mover": the PSP. And then, once the PSP came out and the websites found it had nothing new to offer, they went back to Nintendo and bowed at its feet.

Now, I seriously doubt this will happen once again, but if the Wii U was considered an innovative disappointment (to the point that, on its own, it has hardly differentiated itself from its predecessor), I can't imagine what a potential letdown the PS4 will be. Heck, we've already noticed the...cracks...on the xbox one. Sony has, smartly, kept quiet about almost everything--but they are notorious for under-delivering what they initially promise. As of right now, the only "sure thing" is Nintendo. They're coming out with all kinds of bundles, they have value packages on Wii Fit and Wii Party U, they've dropped the price on the Wii U, and are releasing their "safe bets" Mario and Donkey Kong. None of this is relevant to the "hardcore" (including the gaming websites), sure, but the hardcore--as of right now--are only riding on the hype. It's only a case of how long it takes for Sony's and Microsoft's hype to die down.

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Really, the preorders don't mean much. The dedicated Sony fanbase is gonna swipe up most of the machines during the first few months. There's no telling what will happen after that...

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What will win the christmas 'battle'? Hard to tell, although I'd bet on the Wii U more than the others.

The big thing to watch for though will be which console will win next year. Because let's face it, every system known to man (except the complete failures) sells really well in its first month or so on the market. That's because the fanboys, tech obsessed hipsters (who buy stuff because it's shiny) and a couple of others buy it right off the bat and sing its praises online for a while. Then reality sets in and people realise said audience is about 5 million strong at best and that the rest of the console's audience don't actually have a reason to buy one.

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[quote=MadAussieBloke]

MadAussieBloke wrote:

We're arguing whether NINTENDO can win Xmas according to the thread title

No, if you read my original post, I make it clear that I think Nintendo can win the Family/too young to play 16-18+ games market.

Personally, I don't think Nintendo can 'Win Christmas', but it can pick up a large percentage of kid gamers that the other two consoles seemed to have ignored.

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I think all of the next Gen consoles are going to struggle.
But I think the Wii U will win the "Christmasbattle" because it just has the most and maybe best exclusive games while sony has nearly no exclusive titles and microsoft's Xbox one is too expensive.

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MrGawain wrote:

MadAussieBloke wrote:

We're arguing whether NINTENDO can win Xmas according to the thread title

No, if you read my original post, I make it clear that I think Nintendo can win the Family/too young to play 16-18+ games market.

Personally, I don't think Nintendo can 'Win Christmas', but it can pick up a large percentage of kid gamers that the other two consoles seemed to have ignored.

In Australia the PS4 ($550) and XBone ($600) isn't gonna win Xmas in most countries with this kind of similar pricing... Also I find it sad that everyone is talking about material things winning Xmas... Like it really matters... I just keep quoting to keep my outdated list on every page of this thread

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uptownsoul wrote:

ScroogeMcLz wrote:

Really, the preorders don't mean much. The dedicated Sony fanbase is gonna swipe up most of the machines during the first few months. There's no telling what will happen after that...

Preorders dont mean much? well if you can give me a more accurate way of measuring enthusiasm for upcoming games then I'm all ears. there's a reason why the gaming industry as a whole follows the preorder numbers.

What exactly are you trying to say by bringing up the pre-order numbers over and over again? We get it, there are more on Xbox One and PS4, but there alot of other contributing factors.

The pre-order numbers matter, SOMEWHAT, but it's definitely not the whole picture.

Like @ScroogeMcLZ said, hardcore PS and Xbox fans could be the only ones buying this stuff at launch, than it could be just as "dead" as Wii U was during its respective launch.

We just don't know.

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uptownsoul wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

uptownsoul wrote:

ScroogeMcLz wrote:

Really, the preorders don't mean much. The dedicated Sony fanbase is gonna swipe up most of the machines during the first few months. There's no telling what will happen after that...

Preorders dont mean much? well if you can give me a more accurate way of measuring enthusiasm for upcoming games then I'm all ears. there's a reason why the gaming industry as a whole follows the preorder numbers.

What exactly are you trying to say by bringing up the pre-order numbers over and over again? We get it, there are more on Xbox One and PS4, but there alot of other contributing factors.

The pre-order numbers matter, SOMEWHAT, but it's definitely not the whole picture.

Like @ScroogeMcLZ said, hardcore PS and Xbox fans could be the only ones buying this stuff at launch, than it could be just as "dead" as Wii U was during its respective launch.

We just don't know.

Why do i keep bringing the preorders up over and over? because people keep undervaluing the importance of it. I agree that it isn't the whole picture, and there are other contributing factors, but when somebody says it doesn't mean much can i count on you to correct them? i dont believe i can, so i bring it up as many times our friend brings up the exclusive chart.
now as fart as ps4/xb1 having just as much 'dead' time as the wii u, its less likely. here's why. nintendo traditionally relies more heavily on exclusives to move consoles than xbox or ps. that is why nintendo started strong, then had a 'dead' time, and now looks poised to get out of their 'dead' time. but because ps/xbox traditionally move consoles on 3rd party non-exclusives just as much as exclusives, and a lot of non-exclusives are scattered throughout the year, there's less 'dead' time. i mean we're talking the fifa's, the madden's, battlefield's, nba games. and yes even call of duty's (which i know wii u will be getting, but dont know if call of duty will be a traditional wii u console mover. but we know it does year in and year out move ps/xbox consoles). but yes we dont know for with absolute certainty...well frankly nothing. we dont know what tomorrow brings, but we can start constructing decent probabilities based on past numbers

I also don't think there will be a 'dead time' (I prefer to call it a dry-spell of titles) for either Sony or Microsoft. What there will be, though, is a period where the games on PS3/360 will be better than its counterparts on next-gen systems. It'll have less flaws, be more fluid, and will be better optimized for its hardware. In fact, putting games simultaneously on their counterpart systems will bring immediate comparisons, and may even embarrass the new systems by exposing some coding flaws (as it happened in the last cycle), or worse: make them look indistinguishable. In a way, that is Sony and Microsoft's "dead time".

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