Topic: The Christmas battle Nintendo can win.

I'm not sure what you're trying say. The only game Nintendo delayed was Pikmin 3 as far as I'm aware. I don't look at a barren software launch period as a "can't", as much as a "not going to, yet".

There was literally no software announced besides the teasers they showed at E3 2011-12. There was never release dates for anything, or any info given at all regarding software.
I don't see how not keeping up the momentum automatically draws "they couldn't" conclusions. That means they didn't have any intention to keep up momentum in my eyes.
There's a difference between can't, and didn't.

Nintendo DIDN'T keep the momentum.

@SCAR392

Wii Fit U was delayed as well falling out of the launch windows and @CanisWolfred is using the pretty safe assumption that even without admitting it other software may have been internally delayed as a result. Its easy to come to this conclusion based on the 3DS. After it regained its momentum Nintendo hasn't let it drop sense through retail games supplemented by internally made eshop content.

All there was defiantly software announced going back to the direct earlier this year problem was all of it content for Late 2013 and beyond. I think Nintendo's overall reputation for this year would have faired better with far more DLC or eshop content.

The Playstation 4 and Xbox One won't have as much as the content problems at launch or for the spring season.

@MadAussieBloke

List is pretty outdated and Transistor isn't is probably the only game that shouldn't be on the list.

Some of them exclusive games are not even out until spring 2014 on the Wii U, & i can pretty much guarantee by then you'll know about exclusive unannounced games on other platforms.

And its also an outdated list.

Which is, well, exactly what I said. These games' availability on current gen consoles will cut into their sales on next gen consoles. By your own words, 50% of these sales are not going to next gen consoles (excluding Wii U).

@Sony_70
Who's cares about rep? Most of the people I've heard criticise Nintendo didn't even care about the Wii U in the first place.

It would be like inviting a democrat to a republican meeting, and expecting the democrat to agree with everything said at the meeting.

Doesn't that sound stupid? The answer is yes.

I just want to make the differences between "couldn't" and "didn't", clear.

Depends though especially with the upgrade fee. I'm buying the $70 version of ghosts that has a digital copy of both the Xbox One and 360 games. Any other games that have similar deals i'll do the same. Also for PS4 (and I'm assuming xbox one) if you buy the PS3 version you can get the PS4 game for just $10. I'd easily double dip that way.

Nintendo does as it doesn't help the opinion they've been trying to ditch about their console business. Empty promises doesn't exactly instill consumer confidence. I do agree with that most of the Naysayers are people who didn't plan to get a Wii U despite what Nintendo does. (Not shocking but I'd wager that probably includes quite a bit of the developer community as well).

I think Nintendo has done a pretty good job talking to its consumer base and making a social platform in miiverse (despite it having flaws) but I think Nintendo and Microsoft (despite the whole DRM thing) have done better in some respects and are probably going to improve upon the miiverse concept.

@Sony_70
Ya, but Nintendo probably intented to keep that promise, such as Microsoft and Sony plan to do when they say the same thing.

That's why I'm saying we should give Nintendo the pass, because they released their system a year earlier.

There was no way in hell CoD: Ghosts, AT THE VERY LEAST, would have been available last year when the Wii U launched.

CoD Ghosts will be available on the PS4/Xbox One launch dates. Having 8th generation games at the ready wasn't a convenience Nintendo could have had, regardless, because no one was ready a year ago.

All of the 3rd parties are still developing 8th gen games, so how could we have expected those games on the Wii U last year?
Even Assassin's Creed 4 and Watch_Dogs count as 7th gen games, but I don't see anyone giving Xbox One, PS4, or Ubisoft crap about it, and that's basically the exact same argument that was in place against the Wii U.

Ya, they'll look a little better on 8th gen systems, but they aren't as 8th gen as they could have been if that was the focus.

I have no doubt they intended too keep the promise but couldn't due to reasons. They were really stuck between a rock and a hard place. Either Launch a year before to get ahead of the curve with some delays, or launch along with the One/PS4 and possibly get killed in their hype.

I kind of wish Nintendo had a better PR/Marketing thing especially since miiverse is a thing. I loved Nintendo Week when that used to come out and something similar for the Wii U and 3DS would be awesome. To be fair all three of the big three have lost on those points but Microsoft is the only one with a glimmer of hope for me.

In hindsight I think they would probably have been in a better position if Wii Sports Club was built into the system, cut Nintendo Land and just had the 32GB SKU at the 8GB SKU price. As good as Nintendo Land is it hasn't really been the system seller they wanted it to be.

Maybe I just see this situation differently. You guys act as though Nintendo could have had this stuff out at launch or soon after.

According to Nintendo, they underestimated HD development and ran into other issues aside from that, keeping this from happening sooner.

I look at it as a process. As long as Nintendo can meet(or possibly exceed in SOME areas) the same "motif" as Microsoft and Sony by the time their 8th gen systems are released, I don't see a problem with having an arguably crappy first year.

EDIT: I say arguably, because I've had fun with it while I've had it. Splinter Cell, Rayman, WWHD, W101 are relevant games, as well as the ports.
They're ports(duh), but they're still fairly recent games. Tekken and CoD came out not long before the Wii U launch.

@SCAR392
If by "this stuff" you mean Wii Sports Club then yes, they could have it out at launch if they really wanted to. I really wouldn't be that surprised if they had been sitting on a HD version of Wii Sports for a long time and just hadn't really known what angle to put on it. Or maybe thought that it would confuse the launch making people think the Wii U was just another Wii (which happened anyway).

Though you're right, this is all behind them now. They can't change what they have already done. I just think that with hindsight maybe they would have brought out Wii Sports earlier

Plus, by the time Wii Sports Club, Wii Fit U, etc. comes out, the OS will presumably be finished. The update should be within the next month, unless they delay it again.

From the looks of it, they were developing an entirely new Wii Sports, but probably found that it wouldn't be worth creating an entirely new thing that was already there, pretty much, then just added online. Maybe they added more golf courses or something, but that GamePad utilization in the golf game doesn't look like it's gonna happen.

Motion+ and online look to be the only things they added from the direct. I would guess there's at least alot more golf courses or bowling game styles, but they didn't say that.

That's what I mean though. The WiiU has alot more coming out physical and digital 4 life baby... The eShop will slaughter everything else when those indies attack

It's a problem because it's meant that the Wii U has been perceived by many as a flop, meaning that far fewer people will now consider it, especially with the competition this Christmas. It's first year has seriously damaged it's reputation - and by extension Nintendo's as a whole. Now they've made everything much, much harder for themselves.

The thing is if you use the measures people are judging the Wii U by the Wii had a pretty average first year. Not in terms of sales but definitely in terms of the content people are talking about here that apparently define success. It had Twilight Princess and Wii Sports at the start, it got Super Paper Mario and Mario Strikers Charged in the middle but all things considered that's not that much better than what the Wii U has had. Sure towards the end of '07 it got Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 but by then it was already a hit and it was just fuel for the fire.

End of '07 the Wii had Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Wii Sports and everyone was hyped about Smash Bros and Mario Kart. Before the end of the year the Wii U will have Pikmin 3, New SMB U, Nintendo Land, Mario, a Zelda remake, Donkey Kong and everyone will be hyped about Smash Bros and Mario Kart. So pretty good in comparison. The only major advantage the Wii had that the Wii U didn't is Wii Sports.... and that's probably the difference...

The shortage was definitely a thing but it was driven by massive sales due to the Wii Sports hype. Hard to catch lightning in a bottle again but I think it's clear that Nintendo Land is not another Wii Sports. Maybe a shinier Wii Sports would have been closer? As for the shortage thing as a strategy.... well it definitely wasn't like that at the beginning:

Don't know if deluded or just a troll !

You're right that those games aren't exactly family friendly, but it cannot be seriously argued that they are equally as non-family friendly as GTA. GTA is in a league of its own. That's why GTA is the one constantly in the news, and why GTA is the one that has professional video game reviewers saying there were scenes they almost didn't have the stomach to play through.

My child isn't old enough to play video games yet, but I'm glad to know that she wouldn't even have the choice to play it on our Wii U if she were a teen. Sorry if that offends people who think that what we entertain ourselves with doesn't influence our psyche in any way!