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It was posted on 4Chan. Why are there any doubts that it's fake? ;)

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This is my new roster here: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=13849938#post1384...

What do people think of it?

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I came to this thread anticipating a conversation about a Cafe that all of the Super Smash Bros. characters come to and drink coffee.

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@Limelight: Good list... but I do think Saki is a very likely choice, considering Sakurai said he wanted to include him in Brawl, but couldn't due to time. I don't really see Starfy making it, simply due to the simplicity of his possible moveset. And I would consider Pit's "rival" character (have they revealed his name yet?) as a more apt Kid Icarus representative than Palutena (who is never seen in action) or Medusa. And I'm not sure the Duck Hunt Dog even has the ability to fight, nor do I think he's made the impact you feel he has. I feel like a better Nintendo character that's been overlooked in Smash would be, say, Tom Nook. He could use all the items the Animal Crossing avatars can (axe, bug-catching net, shovel, fishing rod) and maybe even knock you over the head with a couch or painting or toilet (like how Peach can randomly it you with a tennis racket, golf club or frying pan). The one other thing I'd like is for them to keep Zero Suit Samus, but make it a volitional transformation, as with Zelda/Shiek. I like Zero Suit, but hate regular Samus, meaning when a Smash Ball appears, I'm damned if I don't and damned worse if I do.

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265. Posted:

lz20XX wrote:

misswliu81 wrote:

i think this could be fake: http://sickr.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/smash_bros_uni_chara...

It was posted on 4Chan. Why are there any doubts that it's fake? ;)

:-) ok, it may not be fake. if anything maybe some of those characters listed will be on there. personally with regards to cuts, i'd rather keep all the ones that were in brawl, rather than axe some of them and add other nintendo-based characters and maybe 1, 2 more 3rd party ones.

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Limelight_788 wrote:

This is my new roster here: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=13849938#post1384...

What do people think of it?

good roster. may i ask who is that after pokemon trainer?

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Limelight_788 wrote:

This is my new roster here: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=13849938#post1384...

What do people think of it?

Not a Fan. Some of the Character choices seem Random and not needed. It also barks the Tradtion of having the Fighters represent where nintendo is currently with stuff like Girl Diddy Kong girl. Then your choices for KI seem weird. Why Have Paulenta and Medusa when that Guy with the giant sword seems tailor made for smash. The Fire Emblem guy is going to be replaced with Ike and guy from the 3DS game.

Your pokemon choices seem random becuse based on Lucario that Zekrom dude is going to be next. Toad isn't going to be chosed after the Skyward Sword Villian.

Get Rid of Wolf and change Falco's move set. (get rid of all clones period)

Sakurai already explained why Ridley wouldn't work.

Take out Shiek and replace her with impa to represent skyward sword. (still the same basic gameplay type)

Toon Link will be replaced with Whatever the Design for Zelda 3DS is.

No one from Xenoblade or the Last story.

Alor of the chacters (the Duck Hunt Dog) don't have viable movesets.

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Mizore

268. Posted:

By the way, I didn't see anyone else say it so I'm going to...
I'm calling out that I have a feeling that Retro Studios will be involved in these two games, lol.
So, if you see that its official, I CALLED IT! xD

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269. Posted:

This is not Retro's kind of game. If Sakurai wanted to work with Nintendo's developers, he wouldn't have left Nintendo to form his own company.

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270. Posted:

I can still see it happening, just you wait. >.>

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271. Posted:

Isn't this one of the reasons why Sakurai in charge of two studios. He doesn't need Retro.

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272. Posted:

shingi_70 wrote:

Toon Link will be replaced with Whatever the Design for Zelda 3DS is.

What if it's Toon Link?

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shingi_70 wrote:

Some of the Character choices seem Random and not needed. It also barks the Tradtion of having the Fighters represent where nintendo is currently with stuff like Girl Diddy Kong girl.

We're likely to get at least one unexpected choice. Sakurai has stated that a roster of all popular characters isn't interesting to him and I would agree. I'm not sure what you're trying to say with the second sentence.

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Then your choices for KI seem weird. Why Have Paulenta and Medusa when that Guy with the giant sword seems tailor made for smash.

Both are far more important to Kid Icarus then Magnus from what we've seen. Putting Magnus before Palutena or Medusa is like putting Bowser Jr. before Peach and Bowser, it doesn't make sense and not something Sakurai would do.

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The Fire Emblem guy is going to be replaced with Ike and guy from the 3DS game.

What exactly are you trying to say here? Are you saying that Ike will be replaced with Krom? I very much doubt that. We know pretty much nothing about Krom's personality and many have noted the similarities he possess with Ike, which has discouraged people from supporting him. If Krom is not received well, don't expect him to be in, let alone replace Ike. Still, I think Fire Emblem will get a third slot. If Krom doesn't get it, Roy will. We'll have to see what people think of Krom.

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Your pokemon choices seem random becuse based on Lucario that Zekrom dude is going to be next.

Zoroark, while definitely a possibility, is not a shoe-in. There's the possibility of 5th gen being overlooked for the 6th gen mascot depending on how long development takes. Even if we do get a 5th gen Pokemon (which I'm expecting), he still is not guarantee as there are other possibilities. Victini is one possibility that I've mentioned for the reasons I put in when choosing it. 5th gen is still early in it's lifespan (just over a year old) and which Zoroark not being nearly as popular as Lucario, I still feel as the mascot of the 5th gen is undecided.

Plus I feel as Zoroark isn't really a great choice. Do we seriously need to have yet another humanoid Pokemon for Smash when we have Mewtwo and Lucario to dig from? Plus the signature Illusion ability runs a great risk of being either not there or being butchered. If butchered, it would just be Zoroark transforming into another character and copying the moves, which if that was the case, why not have Ditto do the job; who actually is known for this? Also, Zoroark is mostly synonymous with being a Lucario replacement, so many people who support him don't really want him anyway, they just think cuts are inevitable (even thought there's no definitive pattern) and look towards Zoroark as a replacement for Lucario. If not for that, the amount of supporters would see a major drop.

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Get Rid of Wolf and change Falco's move set. (get rid of all clones period)

Not happening. Wolf deserved to be in Brawl and Star Fox 64 3D got released, keeping him relevant. Probably not going anywhere. Also, I never stated anything about clones and it's unrealistic to expect every character to have unique move sets when there has yet to be a definitive case in which a successful fighting game has gone by without it. Without clones, Melee would only have 20 instead of 25, so they can also work as a way to bump up character numbers. I don't like them, but we will have to deal with them (although hopefully in lesser form).

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Sakurai already explained why Ridley wouldn't work.

The size issue doesn't matter. Many characters have been re-sized. If Olimar can be re-sized, so can Ridley.

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Take out Shiek and replace her with impa to represent skyward sword. (still the same basic gameplay type)

Not happening. Sheik is relevant thanks to the 3D Ocarina of Time remake and she has already been in Melee and Brawl. I guarantee you that Sheik will return. The concept that Sheik needs to be cut for Impa is one of the dumbest cut suggestions I see being frequently mentioned. Once Zelda and Sheik are shown to return, hopefully the Impa bandwagon will die.

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Toon Link will be replaced with Whatever the Design for Zelda 3DS is.

Or it could be Toon Link and he returns. We know absolutely nothing about Zelda 3DS other then that it exists. That's it. The only way I see Toon Link going is if he is replaced by Young Link (which depends on if Majora's Mask 3D is made soon).

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No one from Xenoblade or the Last story.

I doubt any of the Operation: Rainfall characters will be playable in Smash 4. Other newer series are better choices and more likely.

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Alor of the chacters (the Duck Hunt Dog) don't have viable movesets.

Neither did R.O.B. and look how that turned out.

Sakurai only thinks of move sets after he selects a character, not when deciding it. Importance, relevancy, and popularity are the three factors that will decide a character, not move set potentials.

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274. Posted:

If anyone else from Fire Emblem deserves to be put in, it's Lord Hector. >:[

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Both are far more important to Kid Icarus then Magnus from what we've seen. Putting Magnus before Palutena or Medusa is like putting Bowser Jr. before Peach and Bowser, it doesn't make sense and not something Sakurai would do.

No it's not. The Kid Icarus series isn't as big and I doubt it will get represented with 3 characters. Adding Palutena would be like adding Toadsworth into Smash. They pretty much hang back while the heroes do the work.

Plus I feel as Zoroark isn't really a great choice. Do we seriously need to have yet another humanoid Pokemon for Smash when we have Mewtwo and Lucario to dig from? Plus the signature Illusion ability runs a great risk of being either not there or being butchered. If butchered, it would just be Zoroark transforming into another character and copying the moves, which if that was the case, why not have Ditto do the job; who actually is known for this? Also, Zoroark is mostly synonymous with being a Lucario replacement, so many people who support him don't really want him anyway, they just think cuts are inevitable (even thought there's no definitive pattern) and look towards Zoroark as a replacement for Lucario. If not for that, the amount of supporters would see a major drop.

This is all speculation. Ditto would be broken, and why bring back Mew-two and Lucario? We don't need every character in Smash existence brought back. Each game should have it's own roster so it's worth coming back to.

The size issue doesn't matter. Many characters have been re-sized. If Olimar can be re-sized, so can Ridley.

If Sakurai said it won't happen, It won't happen. :P

Neither did R.O.B. and look how that turned out.

Sakurai only thinks of move sets after he selects a character, not when deciding it. Importance, relevancy, and popularity are the three factors that will decide a character, not move set potentials.

Don't count on it. The Duck Hunt dog doesn't even have a name. It isn't relevant since Duck Hunt is nearly a 30 year old game and you're the only person I've seen that has wanted him so I don't really think he's all that popular.

Bottom line, the game hasn't even started development yet and you seem pretty sure about some of your roster choices. The game is a few years away from release so anything could happen.

EDIT: After reading your forum post, Toad seems like one of the most boring characters to be put it. He already makes a cameo as apart of Peach's moveset and as a trophy. That's all he needs. I can tell you right now we will not get a Samurai Warriors character. :P

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276. Posted:

victini in Smash Bros.4 would be interesting to see u_u

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Its-Mii-Will wrote:

No it's not. The Kid Icarus series isn't as big and I doubt it will get represented with 3 characters. Adding Palutena would be like adding Toadsworth into Smash. They pretty much hang back while the heroes do the work.

I doubt Sakurai cares about representation that much. Especially when Animal Crossing has none and Earthbound has two. It's about the characters itself and Medusa and Palutena are very strong characters that will be very important to Kid Icarus, relevant, and highly popular. They'll likely fall into the Top 10 most wanted requests for SSB4 once the game is out.

And adding Palutena would be more similar to adding Zelda; who BTW, was in Melee and Brawl. A very important female character with a strong focal point revolving around that character (the Japanese version of Kid Icarus was called Palutena's Mirror).

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This is all speculation. Ditto would be broken, and why bring back Mew-two and Lucario? We don't need every character in Smash existence brought back. Each game should have it's own roster so it's worth coming back to.

There are other things that can appeal to the game other then rosters that can make it worth coming back to. Stages, musics, modes, stickers, and the game play. And beside, the developers are more concern about making a high quality product now and having consumers buy and enjoy it. We don't need to force consumers to buy an outdated game just to play as a different character.

As to why Mewtwo should return, it is one of the most wanted characters for SSB4 and in Japan, the second most wanted behind Roy. It is also the character that was the closest to completion in SSBB, indicating that Sakurai wanted to bring back Mewtwo, but could not. Finally, it is very important to the Pokemon franchise, a very important Legendary and is #2 on the IGN's 100 most popular Pokemon (which had over 10 million votes). It is only behind Charizard, who is playable in Brawl.

Lucario was well-received in Brawl, was by far the most popular 4th gen Pokemon (and the one most advertised), was very highly requested for Brawl, and is the mascot of the 4th gen. Sakurai also said that he loves all of his characters when asked what was his favorite, so I think he would want Lucario back.

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If Sakurai said it won't happen, It won't happen. :P

Sakurai never really ruled out Ridley when he said it was impossible. He also implied that they could get it to work if they could, just make him a little slow. Which indicates that he never really had a strong answer to the question, just had to scrap an explanation up for one other then "I was lazy and did not think of a way to implement Ridley."

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Don't count on it. The Duck Hunt dog doesn't even have a name. It isn't relevant since Duck Hunt is nearly a 30 year old game and you're the only person I've seen that has wanted him so I don't really think he's all that popular.

Relevancy doesn't matter, he's retro. Also, he would work perfectly as a WTF? character, which R.O.B. and Mr. Game & Watch fall under.

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Bottom line, the game hasn't even started development yet and you seem pretty sure about some of your roster choices. The game is a few years away from release so anything could happen.

Never said any of them were a sure bet. But I do stick by these characters being strong choices for SSB4.

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EDIT: After reading your forum post, Toad seems like one of the most boring characters to be put it. He already makes a cameo as apart of Peach's moveset and as a trophy. That's all he needs. I can tell you right now we will not get a Samurai Warriors character. :P

Takamaru is not a Samurai Warriors character. He is owned by Nintendo and starred in Nazo No Murasame Jo, a 1986 Japan-only Famicom Disk title.

What better choices are there for a fifth Mario rep then Toad? It's not like they can't recolor Toad and make THE Toad playable or replace Toad with Toadsworth.

victini in Smash Bros.4 would be interesting to see u_u

Always nice to see more support for Victini. It's my most wanted character for SSB4.

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Characters I think will make it.
Little Mac
Saki
Medusa
Zoroark
Bowser Jr.
Takamaru
The rest is a complete mystery.
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279. Posted:

Little Mac B-)
Starfy!
Mega Man
Dixie Kong
Simon Belmont
Bowser Jr.
Koopa Kids
Rosalina
Birdo

Just to name a few...
And I'm seriously dieing to see Starfy make it in aside from Little Mac, Mega Man and Simon Belmont. An aquatic and beautiful whimsical colorful and vibrant stage based on Starfy alone would get me pumped. B-)

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Are you the same person in the GameSpot/GameFAQs Smash Wii U forums? I doubt you recognize me, but I'm the9thinning in those forums.

Yes I'm that same person on that forum. I haven't really seen you on that forum, so if I ever come across you, I'll make sure you leave you a message.

Anyway, for characters I think will get in; I'm saying Ridley, Little Mac, and King K. Rool. Of course there will be more newcomers, but I'll throw in a new prediction roster once Uprising is released.

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