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SCAR392

1,321. Posted:

@Lukin @Orngblu
U mad bros?

EDIT: Actually, I did some research. Metaknight's good, but a good Smash Bros. player can still take him down. Like I said, there's always a way. Your guys' snarky remarks actually caught me off gaurd. It doesn't matter how good MetaKnight is, because if he was "invincible", he wouldn't be able to take damage.

I'm not saying whoever has trouble against Metaknight is a bad Smash Bros. player, that's why I brought the whole luck argument into the discussion. Learn, but don't assume or insult.

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That sounded like a challenge... It's pretty sad you have to assume I play casually just because I've never had problems with Metaknight first hand with human or CPU characters.
I did just tell you I've been playing the game since before you could walk. That should have implied I don't play it casually, but whatever.

@Lukin
Rude, but I don't care. Maybe you're ignorant, but again, don't care.

Maybe you guys should come up with better responses instead of resorting to insults.
I would gave better accepted a video or actual data. Until I see Metaknight superiority myself, I have no reason to believe anyone on the matter.

EDIT2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD11l3omQzM

Watch this.
This guy gave raw data based on actual tournaments. I'm willing to believe this, because he said exactly what I was telling you. Again, accept or deny, but calling me ignorant is the worst argument you could make.

Metaknight is not the kill all. Also, a Metaknight vs. Metaknight match equals "complain void" is brought up in the video.
One player will win. Step up, no excuses.

EDIT3: I organized my post so that you could see how I progressed in assuring myself I was right, and the insults were indeed uncalled for.

If you want to keep thinking Metaknight is the best character, with whoever else you may want to bring up as a "top tier" character, then go ahead.
I never even think such things until I see complaints like yours on the internet. The claims of Metaknight being the best overall are void.
/DONE

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1,322. Posted:

SCAR392 wrote:

@Lukin @Orngblu
U mad bros?

Just goes to show how ignorant you are.

EDIT: Actually, I did some research. Metaknight's good, but a good Smash Bros. player can still take him down. Like I said, there's always a way. Your guys' snarky remarks actually caught me off gaurd. It doesn't matter how good MetaKnight is, because if he was "invincible", he wouldn't be able to take damage.

I'm NOT saying Meta Knight is impossible to beat. Go re-read what I have said again and again and tell me where I said or implied he was invincible. I've even beat Meta Knight (actually good/decent ones) players with my Shiek so I would have no reason to think he's invincible. That, and I've beaten him with other characters against actually good/decent players. I am NOT saying Meta Knight is impossible to win against with any character other than Meta Knight.

I'm not saying whoever has trouble against Metaknight is a bad Smash Bros. player, that's why I brought the whole luck argument into the discussion. Learn, but don't assume or insult.

We never really got into detail with the "luck" argument, I don't know what you mean by it either, so if you could elaborate on that.

@Orngblu
That sounded like a challenge... It's pretty sad you have to assume I play casually just because I've never had problems with Metaknight first hand with human or CPU characters.
I did just tell you I've been playing the game since before you could walk. That should have implied I don't play it casually, but whatever.

And you're assuming [key word] that you're much older than me, which neither of us can confirm to each other over the internet. You don't even know my age, and I don't even know yours.

That depends on the player you are fighting who is the Meta Knight. For all I know you could be playing a god-awful Meta Knight player (not saying you are, but saying you don't have trouble with Meta Knight in general could mean a number of things), and don't bring CPU's into this because CPU's are too easy regardless of level.

Maybe you guys should come up with better responses instead of resorting to insults.
I would gave better accepted a video or actual data. Until I see Metaknight superiority myself, I have no reason to believe anyone on the matter.

Maybe you should read what I say correctly and stop taking it out of context.

EDIT2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD11l3omQzM

Watch this.
This guy gave raw data based on actual tournaments. I'm willing to believe this, because he said exactly what I was telling you. Again, accept or deny, but calling me ignorant is the worst argument you could make.

So, some of the things that stood out at me: Once again, I never said EVERYONE will use Meta Knight and I never said he was overused and I am NOT saying Meta Knight is invincible. I DO NOT find him to be invincible, I'm not afraid of any Meta Knight any more. I used to be, but I learned the match up. Also, he did prove my point that people have pocket Meta Knights. He even said so himself that stages play a huge role on character selection and that he uses Meta Knight for Brinstar and Rainbow Cruise (Which is supposed to be some, if not all of Meta Knights good stages) or any other tough stage for your character. Also, what he says about every fighting game having a best character, yeah that's true. In Smash 4, there isn't going to be perfect Balance. There will still be a best character, but let's take Ganon vs Meta Knight again, assuming it's balanced. That Ganondorf will have a significantly higher chance of winning against a good Meta Knight than he does in Brawl.

Let me just say it again to make things clear: I NEVER said MK is invincible, and I am NOT FOR MK being banned. I don't care if anyone plays Meta Knight against me either. If they win, it's my responsibility and I respect that.

Also, I've seen video's of this guy (MikeHaze) playing Izaw. He's definitely a high level player and definitely have more credibility than I have, but regardless he has problem most (if not all) of what I've said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-f8314pGC8

That's just one of the video's of him and Izaw playing. Dat Shiek. <3

Metaknight is not the kill all. Also, a Metaknight vs. Metaknight match equals "complain void" is brought up in the video.
One player will win. Step up, no excuses.

Read above.

EDIT3: I organized my post so that you could see how I progressed in assuring myself I was right, and the insults were indeed uncalled for.

If you want to keep thinking Metaknight is the best character, with whoever else you may want to bring up as a "top tier" character, then go ahead.
I never even think such things until I see complaints like yours on the internet. The claims of Metaknight being the best overall are void.
/DONE
Yes, you're right because you think I think Meta Knight, and all high tier characters are impossible to beat with any character other than those, which is not what I said or implied.

In the video he said Meta Knight is the "best character in the game", so yes he is top tier, but let me say it again so you get it: I do NOT think Meta Knight is invincible, and even if he is top tier does NOT mean he is invincible. Equal chance of (In brawl) Ganon beating Meta Knight, though? That is not true because it is a significantly worse match for Ganon, and it does depend entirely of who the players are. If you could ask MikeHaze that (which I think was the person in the video), you would get a similar response. There is a huge difference between low and high level play also. (Not saying you are a low level player this time)

There are also other high tier characters, not just Meta Knight. Marth, ZSS, Pika, Ice Climbers (Chain Grab), Snake, and yeah you get the idea. There's probably one for a few more but whatever. I am NOT saying that these characters are necessary to win, though. That is NOT what I am saying. Every character has a chance to win, such as Ganondorf (which is what you said), I know that. It depends 100% on the player using the "low tier" character

Read the bold.

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WingedSnagret

1,323. Posted:

Listen guys, instead of arguing about tier lists and such, especially since it involves a Wii game, why don't we focus on the game at hand before the comments get nasty? Just trying to keep the peace here is all. :p

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Orngeblu

1,324. Posted:

WingedFish wrote:

Listen guys, instead of arguing about tier lists and such, especially since it involves a Wii game, why don't we focus on the game at hand before the comments get nasty? Just trying to keep the peace here is all. :p

Not necessarily arguing about tier list, but about how Brawl is not 100% balanced even if the top tiers are beatable. Also, it's practically nasty already.

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Not sure if this was previously discussed, but do you guys think the songs from handheld games will stay on 3DS and console on Wii U or will they have a combined soundtrack? I'm personally hoping for a combined soundtrack, especially to hear the final battle song from Bowser's Inside Story on Wii U. :)

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1,326. Posted:

WingedFish wrote:

So according to this article it seems like the games' title names are final, which if true kinda sucks...
http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/51077/features/7-ne...

The name of the game is Super Smash Bros. 4.They changed the Smash Ball in the logo to look more like a 4
http://images.gamenguide.com/data/images/full/9638/super-smas...

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WingedFish wrote:

So according to this article it seems like the games' title names are final, which if true kinda sucks...
http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/51077/features/7-ne...

I was still hoping for super smash bros: quarrel, but I suppose there are only so many nouns one can use that mean fight. :P

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1,328. Posted:

That's really disappointing about the names to be honest.

"Hey wanna play Super Smash Bros. for Wii U?"

:O

I don't know, I'd rather them have proper sub-titles.

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1,329. Posted:

So sakurai seems to be hinting a new character announcement tomorrow. Here is today's daily pic

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He posted that with the caption newcomers join the fray.

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1,330. Posted:

To see a 3D classic mega man of that calibre brings pixel tears to my eyes, while the Villager looks like the next fill in for Chucky. Nintendo could very well have their own horror franchise on their heads. ;)

And i would also like Wart added to the list. Bowser has nothing on the King of Subcon. Sup!
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1,331. Posted:

@zoroarkrules25 - You sure he's not just talking about the picture?

I personally don't mind the title. If anything, I blame the fans slightly. If everyone didn't start guessing names like 'Rumble' or 'Universe', this Smash Bros. would've had a sub-title I feel. Not bothered at all. Besides, according to that ONM article, Sakurai intends for the game to be "going back to basics and will not use some fancypants, hyper-aggressive suffix for the title."

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@SCAR392

First, let me start by saying that simply playing competitively in general is not the same as being apart of the competitive community. Second, that video you showed is by MikeHaze, a top Marth player. What was being talked about was the Meta Knight ban & how Meta Knight isn't as over-centralized as everyone thinks he is. Also, this video was from practically 2 years ago, the data is not the same right now.

All characters in this game are not equal. That's like saying a 4 foot person & a 7 foot person are automatically equal in a game of basketball, that their individual skill are the only factors that matter. Logically, the height of each player gives them a certain advantage or disadvantage over the other. It is the same way with Brawl, each character has characteristics that either put them in an advantage or disadvantaged state. What I'm saying is back up by constant results from competitive tournaments, you will always see more Meta Knight users than any other in the top placings. Results & facts back up MK being the best & also all characters not being equal. While individual skill matters most, realize there are characters that are better than others.

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1,333. Posted:

zoroarkrules25
He probably just mean those on the picture.
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I have to say something: I think that Pac-Man and Bomberman are really bad additions to smash bros... I mean, Pac-Man? What's he going to do? Punch, kick and eat balls? And Bomberman? Punch, kick and throw balls? No thank you. Have they even been in any games lately?
Anyway, even if they added I know I can just ignore them, but I'd rather have other characters than those two.

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Varia01

1,334. Posted:

Someone did post on Miiverse the character suggestion of BOWSER JR.!!!! It was one of the most popular posts on the Smash Bros Series community. I think I got move suggestions.
Melee:
Basic: Punch>Punch>Kick
Move forward: Belly flop
Move backward: Belly flop
Up: Cartwheel
Down: Pound
Midair: Midair cartwheel
Midair backward and forward: Midair punch
Special:
Basic: Bullet Bill launch
Forward and backward: Quick fire breath
Down: Summon 5 bombs as pick-ups
Up: Propeller up (You know that vehicle that is basically a cart with a face and a propeller at the bottom?)
Grab:
Basic: Headbutt
Forward: Fire breath push
Backward: Fire breath back-toss
Up: Throw up and land on spiked shell
Down: Lay a bomb on opponent
Final Smash:
Bullet Bill Tower: A tower of 10 Bullet Bill cannons rises from the grounds and shoots several Bullet Bills that home on the opponents.

I could not believe that I thought of it. The guy who drew that post on Miiverse is so right! I personally think that Bowser Jr is a great character choice.

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Orngeblu

1,335. Posted:

Emaan wrote:

That's really disappointing about the names to be honest.

"Hey wanna play Super Smash Bros. for Wii U?"

Smash U (and no I don't mean it like "smash you") would sound better, but you could also say SSBU.

"Wanna play Smash U/SSBU?"

Nonetheless it won't matter. :I

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@SCAR392

First, let me start by saying that simply playing competitively in general is not the same as being apart of the competitive community. Second, that video you showed is by MikeHaze, a top Marth player. What was being talked about was the Meta Knight ban & how Meta Knight isn't as over-centralized as everyone thinks he is. Also, this video was from practically 2 years ago, the data is not the same right now.

All characters in this game are not equal. That's like saying a 4 foot person & a 7 foot person are automatically equal in a game of basketball, that their individual skill are the only factors that matter. Logically, the height of each player gives them a certain advantage or disadvantage over the other. It is the same way with Brawl, each character has characteristics that either put them in an advantage or disadvantaged state. What I'm saying is back up by constant results from competitive tournaments, you will always see more Meta Knight users than any other in the top placings. Results & facts back up MK being the best & also all characters not being equal. While individual skill matters most, realize there are characters that are better than others.

You said it much better, thank you.

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1,336. Posted:

Varia01 wrote:

Someone did post on Miiverse the character suggestion of BOWSER JR.!!!! It was one of the most popular posts on the Smash Bros Series community. I think I got move suggestions.
Melee:
Basic: Punch>Punch>Kick
Move forward: Belly flop
Move backward: Belly flop
Up: Cartwheel
Down: Pound
Midair: Midair cartwheel
Midair backward and forward: Midair punch
Special:
Basic: Bullet Bill launch
Forward and backward: Quick fire breath
Down: Summon 5 bombs as pick-ups
Up: Propeller up (You know that vehicle that is basically a cart with a face and a propeller at the bottom?)
Grab:
Basic: Headbutt
Forward: Fire breath push
Backward: Fire breath back-toss
Up: Throw up and land on spiked shell
Down: Lay a bomb on opponent
Final Smash:
Bullet Bill Tower: A tower of 10 Bullet Bill cannons rises from the grounds and shoots several Bullet Bills that home on the opponents.

I could not believe that I thought of it. The guy who drew that post on Miiverse is so right! I personally think that Bowser Jr is a great character choice.

Bowser Jr's a perfectly decent character choice... but honestly not one I'd be massively thrilled to see. Just seems like a 'safe' choice, as in one everyone expects but no one would be particularly excited to see.

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MrWalkieTalkie wrote:

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That was perfect. Make it happen, Sakurai.

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1,338. Posted:

@CM30: You're right. Mr. Sakurai did want unexpected characters to be revealed.

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1,339. Posted:

OdnetninAges wrote:

That was perfect. Make it happen, Sakurai.

Ooh what if they had Mario brothers in there? :O

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Kewlan wrote:

Pac-Man? What's he going to do? Punch, kick and eat balls?

This:

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