Topic: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U - OT

If he's owned by Rare, then how did he get into Barrel Blast?

Wait a minute...are you telling Brawl and Melee are balance, or are you telling me Smash 4 will be balanced. Smash 4 may very well be balanced, and I've been told it might be the last thing they do. But if you think Brawl is balanced, you're sadly mistaken. Also, Meta Knight can kill at say, roughly 120% with Down-smash which would be most equal, more of less of what the rest of the cast could do, so he's not weak KO-wise, which is what I think you're saying. But he does weigh less, but he's still only KO-able at above 100%, so his lessened weight hardly makes him worse. Yeah, it's possible to beat MK but it doesn't mean it's 100% balanced, 50/50 match. It's just much harder on the player with the disadvantage.

As for the Mega Man being top tier thing, if you look at his Down-air in the developer direct before Sakurai says it has a meteor affect, you see it has a long range so that's blatantly high spike priority there. No risks need to be taken when going off stage because it has a lot of range, you only have to position yourself on the X-axis to aim at the player recovering. I'm not saying they'll always get the spike, that depends on the player, but there is a higher chance of it happening.

But this could all change, and we'd also have to try it hands-on to understand the rest.

Exactly.

From that points it seems like he's not. I thought he was (and the Kremlings) because Nintendo removed Donkey Kong Country 1, 2 and 3 from the Wii Shop Channel.

Lol @ the character balance thing, glad that was taken care of. Still can't say if Yellow Devil is a stage hazard or a boss, that'd be a pretty annoying hazard though.

In my opinion, the Yellow Devil looks a bit too big to be a hazard.

I'm sticking with my theory that Yellow Devil's a stage hazard.
@Big-Daddy - I don't think size is an issue. After all, one of Brawl's Metroid stages (forgot its name right now) as a huge lava wave as a stage hazard. The pictochat stage had a few 'big' hazards too.

@Orngeblu
I'm still going to have to disagree. I've fought quite a bit of people on Smash Bros., and I've seen literal luck happen right before my eyes.

You can't say the best MK player vs. the best Ganondorf player would result in MK winning. It's just giving up way too easily.
Hardly anyone cares about winning anyway, otherwise everyone would play as MK(according to your logic).
I K.O. MK pretty easily, even Jigglypuff.

It's balanced. It just depends on how you look at it. If you time Ganondorfs punches or meteor smash move, Metaknight wouldn't stand a chance, and that's fact.

Y'know what would be cool? If Pit did a taunt thing with Palutena (and Viridi and Hades) that is similar to Snake's Codec Calls in Brawl.

Actually almost anybody who cares about tiers does play as metaknight 75% or more of the time, and they will win because he's so spammable. Same reason most people play as Ike.

Alot of things are spammable in any game, but that doesn't mean they can't be countered.

The only time a spam move is uncalled-for is when people can do moves like the Ice Climber repetitive grab.

HOMESTAR RUNNER FOR SSB4
Seriously, though. His creators are big Nintendo fans, his games are all available on Wii, and the games on the website are even playable in the Wii browser.
What? I can dream, can't I?

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@Musterd Well he could be an assistant in battle come to think of it...

I've been thinking of that idea ever since I first played Uprising. And it doesn't seem like too big of a stretch either seeing as they mention Smash Bros. on several occasions.

I think we all should take a brief moment to think about what's going on here...

First of all, Happy_Mask is right here. Second of all, yeah Meta Knight can spam (so can any any other character), but that's not the reason he's good. Spamming with any character does not make said character stronger anyways, because you'll get punished for it.

That's subjective, actually. Not everyone goes Meta Knight, but if you go to a tournament (say apex, uuh...any "high level" tournament I guess I could say) you'll find a lot of higher tier characters. Whether Marth, Meta Knight, Snake, and...I can't recall anymore, but you get the idea. You'll find a lot of those at All is Brawl as well if you play the ladder. Also, actually that's your logic. I never said everyone goes MK (and you take it as if I think Meta Knight is impossible to beat), but it is true a lot of players choose higher tiers even if it's not Meta Knight, at least in competitive matches. It happens in friendlies too, even though it may be less. Friendlies can be competitive too though. I've had someone rage-knight on me once or twice. xP I personally don't mind Meta Knight though. Maybe Lag-Fi makes it easier, heh.

As for the Ganon vs Meta Knight, I'd like you to win apex with Ganondorf. But I know what you mean, the Ganon could win, but it would be extremely hard for the Ganon. But it is safe to say you will NEVER see a Ganon win Apex. (I'm talking about brawl here by the way)

Also, ice Climbers aren't that bad. You need to adapt and learn how to not get grabbed.

That logic about the Ganon's Meteor affect...lol. That can be applied to lower levels, lol but high level you'll almost never see the chance to do so. That requires thorough reads, and reads are hardly reliable. His punches are like a "gtfo" attack, but is very unsafe on shield.

Also, who's MK do you KO?

Just so you know, I don't go to tournaments, and I don't do the ladder. I did attend the ladder once though, for fun. I just play friendlies with other players.

As a playable character? Unlikely. As an assist trophy or a supporting role? Very possible.

@Orngeblu
I wasn't really saying everyone chooses Metaknight. I'm just saying, not everyone likes Metaknight to begin with. No one is going to learn a characters move set they don't like, just because it's "cheap".

I've seen spammers in video games. I just find it hard to believe that one character has the advantage when I've seen foresight type assaults in game.

I throw bombs up in the air, then grab a character and throw them at the bomb midair. Hell, I even threw 2 bombs in the air and threw a character that hit one of the bombs and flew into the other one.

I'm not sure how I would fair in a tournament, but I know for a fact every character has equal talents to make the game fair.

I never said Meta Knight is cheap, and I'm not implying you said I said that, but there are a lot of players who will play Meta Knight just to win. People even train pocket meta knight if they're losing or getting counter-picked. "Oh I see you're counter-picking this stage, allow me to go meta knight so you don't have the advantage over my other character" (Not exact words, but someone told me this one, and it's true)

You really need to play Brawl more to understand how some character have the advantage over others.

Not sure what you're getting at by saying you'll throw a bomb up, grab, and up throw the opponent into a bomb. A chance like that is rare as well, not to mention somewhat useless.

Read sentence two. Characters do have different talents, but equal in strength, no.

@Orngeblu
I've been playing Smash Bros. since you were 1 year old, so I think I know what I'm saying
If I can chain link 2 bomb hits midair, it's show boating, but it still guarantees a KO.

Regardless, I have no idea what you're talking about when you say some characters have an advantage in SSBB.
You don't have to play more than 50 hours to know the fame is balanced. Just figure out a way to counter it.