Forums

Topic: Some good articles in light of the poor sales figures....

Posts 1 to 20 of 22

kkslider5552000

I love how the Techland guy buried people for thinking they know more than CEOs because they write things on the internet. That's too true for words.

Non-binary, demiguy, making LPs, still alive

Megaman Legends 2 Let's Play!:
LeT's PlAy MEGAMAN LEGENDS 2 < Link to LP

NinChocolate

Poor sales is Iwatas problem and he's excited to tackle it. It'll be interesting!

NinChocolate

rockodoodle

kkslider5552000 wrote:

I love how the Techland guy buried people for thinking they know more than CEOs because they write things on the internet. That's too true for words.

Nintendo has made some mistakes but licensing their games to MSFT and Sony isn't one of them. It will be interesting to see what their mobile strategy is. It might not be a bad idea to have some mobile versions of either their old games (old mario kart tracks, dr. mario etc.) or just some mario themed type games- like a nintendo themed Angry Birds.

Hopefully this is the wake up call they needed to get their act together. The console itself and the games that will be out by the end of the year are fine- but they need to do more marketing. I wonder if they will advertise Mario and Sonic during the Olympics.

rockodoodle

2Sang

It's not nintendoom like the haters are saying, but it's basically a confirmation that the Wii U is a failure and will remain a failure for the rest of the generation. Nintendo won't be going away anytime soon, but they may be known as the last place company from now on at least until they knock it out of the park like they did with wii.

I'm hoping nintendo has already started working behind the scenes for their next new console, which they should work on for the next 3-4 years at least so it's a good console.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2sang/nintendo-pizza-scented-air-freshener-mach-pizza-ea
BACK MY PROJECT EVEN $1 HELPS!

Nintendo Network ID: DJ2Sang | Twitter:

Einherjar

@2Sang There is nothing really wrong with the WiiU itself. ANd starting on a new console now would completely drown the WiiU. What they need to do is to make the WiiU profitable to the point, that they atleast get even in sales / production costs.
Abandoning ship now in the hope of a new successor would be dangerous. Also, with nintendos reputation, they could make a PS4 clone next week and would still be left in the dust by the mainstream press and customers.
People always find something to moan about. Nintendo is not like others, nintendo is exactly like others and not unique, nintendo is outdated, nintendo is ahead of its time and failed yadda yadda.
In peoples eyes, nintendo is the prime example of "cant do it right".
Like i said many times before: Look at the lackluster launch line up of the Xbone and the PS4, look at what "unique" games are coming up and what "exciting new features" these two systems brought to the table. The WiiUs situation was / is not that different and still, these two consoles sold like hot buns. Its not always the sole problem of the console itself. Sometimes, the problem could lie among the target audience itself. People just want grey / brown military shooters, nintendo doesnt deliver, end of story.

Einherjar

3DS Friend Code: 3823-8503-1730 | Nintendo Network ID: EinherjarZX

rockodoodle

I disagree that it's destined to be a failure. Let's see how it sells when we get DKTF, Mario Kart, Hyrule Warriors, Smash, Bayonetta and hopefully by this time next year, a new Zelda.

2Sang wrote:

It's not nintendoom like the haters are saying, but it's basically a confirmation that the Wii U is a failure and will remain a failure for the rest of the generation. Nintendo won't be going away anytime soon, but they may be known as the last place company from now on at least until they knock it out of the park like they did with wii.

I'm hoping nintendo has already started working behind the scenes for their next new console, which they should work on for the next 3-4 years at least so it's a good console.

rockodoodle

Einherjar

@rockodoodle You forgot "X" But to be honest, we havent heard from it in ages, and it STILL does not have an official title...
But this game will deliver in the one department that matters to the mainstream press: Graphics. Maybe then people will stay shut about "outdated tech"...but who am i kidding...
But this game is a prime example what brought the WiiU in this situation. It got teased way to warly, gets next to no heads up info out and takes its merry time to get finished.

Einherjar

3DS Friend Code: 3823-8503-1730 | Nintendo Network ID: EinherjarZX

2Sang

rockodoodle wrote:

I disagree that it's destined to be a failure. Let's see how it sells when we get DKTF, Mario Kart, Hyrule Warriors, Smash, Bayonetta and hopefully by this time next year, a new Zelda.

2Sang wrote:

It's not nintendoom like the haters are saying, but it's basically a confirmation that the Wii U is a failure and will remain a failure for the rest of the generation. Nintendo won't be going away anytime soon, but they may be known as the last place company from now on at least until they knock it out of the park like they did with wii.

I'm hoping nintendo has already started working behind the scenes for their next new console, which they should work on for the next 3-4 years at least so it's a good console.

You guys said the same thing for Pikmin 3, WWHD, and SMW3D. At this point, I'm doubting if it will break 25 million ever.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2sang/nintendo-pizza-scented-air-freshener-mach-pizza-ea
BACK MY PROJECT EVEN $1 HELPS!

Nintendo Network ID: DJ2Sang | Twitter:

shingi_70

Never blame the audience. There's a lot wrong with the the Wii U and the way Nintendo does certain things as a whole.

You say people want nothing but military shooter but honestly only two games in that type are popular on any big level.

Plus both the zboz one and PS4 had way better launch line ups than the Wii U.

WAT!

Hey check out my awesome new youtube channel shingi70 where I update weekly on the latest gaming and comic news form a level headed perspective.

3DS Friend Code: 3093-7342-3454 | Nintendo Network ID: shingi70

Einherjar

@shingi_70 All i can see on the PSN store right now are games that were already available, some indie titles that are not really that flashy and the "highlight" that was supposed to be Knack.
The Xbone offers some of the most DLC and Microstransaction riddled games out there featured as big "AAA launch titles".
Both these lineups are nothing to write home about really. And i cant understand why people rushed out to get these systems. The only explaination would be the "thrill" of seeing these fabled "spectacular graphics", like it was at the beginning of the HD generation. Other than that, there really isnt anything special on offer.
And "Never blame the audience" ? Why is that ? EA continued its ripp of strategies because people were dumb enough to buy their products instead of letting them starve. I guess you could very well blame the audience for supporting such a scheme.
The whole "the eShop needs to be as cheap as the AppStore" debate while nobody seams to care that other stores on other consoles also dont do such a thing (except maybe the constant drastic sales on the PSN Store)
The whole stigmata of being "a kiddy console" because link doesnt slice his enemys into bloody lumps of flesh and guts.
The debates of the WiiU being to pricey, while these same people seem to have no problem with shelving out enough money to buy these next gen consoles that cost even more. And dont get me started on people being ok with "smart device pricing" -.-
Sure, the people are NOT responsible for nintendos actions, thats not what im saying, but simply refusing a console because its not labeled as "the future" is pretty dumb if you ask me.
Tell me how next gen tech could have made Mario Kart 8 look more bautiful ?

@2Sang Generally youre right, but a new Mario Kart and a new Smash Bros are a whole new league than "just another Mario game" (like people like to call it or a remake of a GC game. Pikmin wasnt everyones cup of tea to begin with. Its a pretty black and white series, either people love it or hate it.
But like i said, youre not entirely wrong. We had big hitters and they hit, but not as hard as we all hoped.

Einherjar

3DS Friend Code: 3823-8503-1730 | Nintendo Network ID: EinherjarZX

2Sang

@einherjar
MK8 is nothing new, it'll be a great kart game that will bring in a similar amount of gamers as mario 3d world. Smash bros. will be the variable, but it will have to have something completely new, and don't forget a lot of people who don't yet own a wii u will most likely not get the wii u version and just get the 3ds version unless the wii u version has something groundbreaking.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2sang/nintendo-pizza-scented-air-freshener-mach-pizza-ea
BACK MY PROJECT EVEN $1 HELPS!

Nintendo Network ID: DJ2Sang | Twitter:

Marre35

Einherjar wrote:

The debates of the WiiU being to pricey, while these same people seem to have no problem with shelving out enough money to buy these next gen consoles that cost even more.

I think that people who have already bought PS4 or Xbox One don't see it that way, they see it the otherway around. Yes, the Wii U might be 100$ cheaper than PS4 but the thing is its only 100$ for many that are waiting to play the newest FIFA, COD with friends (also better online systems) etc. plus all the games that are coming out, that for the most part will be skipping the Wii U. They see the other consoles are offering way more value that what Nintendo is offering at the moment for the asking price.

I believe also that both Xbox360 & PS3 are gonna get another price drop / revision before next summer then they will only cost about 150-200$ for the ones that are looking to get cheaper consoles & they will still get new games at least for the end of the year so there will still be demand for them.

Edited on by Marre35

Marre35

rockodoodle

And we saw spikes in sales after each of those releases, even if modest in some cases. Of the ones that you mentioned, the main one to move the needle would be Mario 3d world. I think we'll see similar action with Mario Kart, Smash and then to a lesser degree DKTF. People will buy a system for these three- maybe not enough to where sales go through the roof, but they will have an impact, probably significant.

The test will be if people will buy the system because of the collective library, IMO. If Nintendo can sell 40m 3ds- there's still a good number of Nintendo fans. And I think there's probably a decent number of Wii owners who will upgrade too. Younger kids are still finding the Wii adequate- or at least my GF's five y/o son and his friends are still playing DK, Mario Party, Mario Bros. on that system.

I was on the fence about buying a Wii U back in April precisely b/c there weren't many titles out, but kind of let impulse get the best of me. IF they had all those titles or at least some of them back then, I would have bought w/o question. Just by reading comments in these articles there's a lot of folks waiting on Mario Kart, Smash and especially a new Zelda.....

2Sang wrote:

rockodoodle wrote:

I disagree that it's destined to be a failure. Let's see how it sells when we get DKTF, Mario Kart, Hyrule Warriors, Smash, Bayonetta and hopefully by this time next year, a new Zelda.

2Sang wrote:

It's not nintendoom like the haters are saying, but it's basically a confirmation that the Wii U is a failure and will remain a failure for the rest of the generation. Nintendo won't be going away anytime soon, but they may be known as the last place company from now on at least until they knock it out of the park like they did with wii.

I'm hoping nintendo has already started working behind the scenes for their next new console, which they should work on for the next 3-4 years at least so it's a good console.

You guys said the same thing for Pikmin 3, WWHD, and SMW3D. At this point, I'm doubting if it will break 25 million ever.

rockodoodle

rockodoodle

I don't think they are going to release the Wii U and 3ds versions at the same time. And apparently they will be at least a little different in terms of content and there will be some sort of interaction, so it might not be mutually exclusive.

If I recall correctly, it sold 9m on the 3ds. While there's obviously overlap- at minimum, there's roughly 4m who do not have a Wii U, not to mention fans from the Wii who don't have a 3ds. From what I've seen, it does look like a big step up from its predecessors..

2Sang wrote:

@einherjar
MK8 is nothing new, it'll be a great kart game that will bring in a similar amount of gamers as mario 3d world. Smash bros. will be the variable, but it will have to have something completely new, and don't forget a lot of people who don't yet own a wii u will most likely not get the wii u version and just get the 3ds version unless the wii u version has something groundbreaking.

rockodoodle

DefHalan

Kodeen wrote:

Einherjar wrote:

And "Never blame the audience" ? Why is that ? EA continued its ripp of strategies because people were dumb enough to buy their products instead of letting them starve. I guess you could very well blame the audience for supporting such a scheme.

From EA's point of view it's been successful, there's nothing for them to blame anybody about.

The whole notion of not blaming the audience is that the marketplace is what it is, you can either adapt or complain about it and go in the red. Nintendo chose the latter strategy during the Gamecube era, it wasn't very useful.

Nintendo continued doing that for the Wii and the Wii U... it is hard to tell when something will make an impact. I actually feel the Wii U was closer to Nintendo adapting to the market than the Wii was. For Nintendo adapting to the market seems to hurt them more than going their own way

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

3DS Friend Code: 2621-2786-9784 | Nintendo Network ID: DefHalan

2Sang

@rockodoodle
DKTF won't move 50k units
Hyrule warriors won't move 50k units
Smash and Mario Kart each will move 1 million+ units, but there's major crossover because they're both "party" games. Neither will move more units than mario 3d world, it's just a fact that mario games are the best selling games because of brand recognition and heavy advertising campaigns.

Not trying to be disrespectful, but you're living in a bubble if you think any of these games are going to change the wii u's momentum, especially because PS4 and Xbone are going to be focused on games for e3.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2sang/nintendo-pizza-scented-air-freshener-mach-pizza-ea
BACK MY PROJECT EVEN $1 HELPS!

Nintendo Network ID: DJ2Sang | Twitter:

CaPPa

2Sang wrote:

@rockodoodle
DKTF won't move 50k units
Hyrule warriors won't move 50k units
Smash and Mario Kart each will move 1 million+ units, but there's major crossover because they're both "party" games. Neither will move more units than mario 3d world, it's just a fact that mario games are the best selling games because of brand recognition and heavy advertising campaigns.

Not trying to be disrespectful, but you're living in a bubble if you think any of these games are going to change the wii u's momentum, especially because PS4 and Xbone are going to be focused on games for e3.

3D Mario games may be popular but they're not the biggest sellers. Just look at the games on the Wii for real facts:
Mario Galaxy - 11 million
Smash Bros Brawl - 12 million
Mario Kart Wii - 32 million
So to think that SB or MK won't boost sales as much as 3D World did makes it seem like you're the one living in a bubble.

CaPPa

rockodoodle

I agree that they won't be huge system sellers but i think they will sell more than you are giving them credit for, especially Donkey Kong. We did see spikes in sales for Pikmin, Mario World 3d, and Wind Waker- granted Pikmin was smaller (don't recall the exact numbers), Mario during Xmas and Wind Waker after a price drop.

But I think you are underestimating Donkey Kong- that's a pretty big name. I think it will boost sales by more than 50k. If I'm not mistaken it, Mario Kart and Mario 3d is about when sales picked up for the 3ds. I know there was a price cut- with the price of components coming down, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Wii U come down to $250 And as I mentioned, a lot of these games combined will move systems. I came close to passing on this back in April, but impulse/the early adopter in me took over. I think there will be a fair number of people who will see the line up and take the plunge- there's still a good core of Nintendo fans who haven't bought a Wii U as evidenced by 3ds sales and software.

2Sang wrote:

@rockodoodle
DKTF won't move 50k units
Hyrule warriors won't move 50k units
Smash and Mario Kart each will move 1 million+ units, but there's major crossover because they're both "party" games. Neither will move more units than mario 3d world, it's just a fact that mario games are the best selling games because of brand recognition and heavy advertising campaigns.

Not trying to be disrespectful, but you're living in a bubble if you think any of these games are going to change the wii u's momentum, especially because PS4 and Xbone are going to be focused on games for e3.

rockodoodle

CM30

Yeah, everyone seriously underestimates the Donkey Kong Country series sales wise.

In fact, you want to know a fun fact?

It's games have often outsold ZELDA titles. It outsells Metroid by a margin of 3/1 or so. Practically speaking, it's one of Nintendo's best selling series (outside of 2D Mario games Pokemon, Mario Kart, Smash Bros and Wii Sports), yet people always act skeptical of its success.

Try out Gaming Reinvented, my new gaming forum and website!
Also, if you're a Wario series fan, check out Wario Forums today! Your only place for Wario series discussion!
My 3DS Friend Code: 4983-5165-4...

Twitter:

This topic has been archived, no further posts can be added.