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PhoenixUltra

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Do you guys think wii u will strengthen in 3rd parties after this holiday season when more first parties come.

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Tasuki

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I hate to say it but probably not. After this holiday season both the Xbox One and PS4 will be available and third parties would probably be targeting those systems. If we do get third party games they more than likely will be ports. Honestly if you want third party games you are probably better off going with one of those consoles.

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GTWarrior77

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From my point of view, I buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games. Any good 3rd party game on their systems is a bonus to me. As Tasuki mentioned, if it's 3rd party games you want, you are better off with the Xbox One or PS4.

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More and more 3rd party will come in over time. Just give the Wii U time.

I own a Wii U and 3DS. I do plan on getting a PS4 someday :D

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Tasuki

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GTWarrior77 wrote:

From my point of view, I buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games. Any good 3rd party game on their systems is a bonus to me. As Tasuki mentioned, if it's 3rd party games you want, you are better off with the Xbox One or PS4.

Thats the way I look at it too. I use to count on Nintendo for third party games but not so much anymore. Thats why I have another system beside my Wii U.

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triforcepower73

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I think as long as Nintendo has the "weakest" console, third parties won't support them as well as the competition. No matter how many times Nintendo "wins" the console wars, third parties will gravitate towards the other consoles. And according to history, Nintendo will win the console wars this gen.

I was hoping that after the Wii, third parties would reconsider their support for Nintendo consoles. But sadly, even though Nintendo will win and sell more consoles, therefore opening up a huge window for third parties to sell more of their games, third parties will end up at the end of this gen looking back and regretting not supporting Nintendo. There will be comments from publishers like "We will have unprecedented support for Nintendo's next console" and "We have a great relationship with Nintendo and are proud to announce these two games." But then a year later when the console actually releases, they'll back out. Again.

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Spoony_Tech

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I agree with with the no's! Indies love Nintendo and its obvious that was a big focus for them but once again 3rd parties have a hard time selling on the consoles. Its mainly due to the fact that a port will be weaker compared to the other systems and competing with Nintendo games! Nintendo outsells most 3rd party games 20 to 1 and that will probably never change. Outside of the exclusive or Nintendo bought frnachise don't expect much from 3rd parties. I don't even think Monster Hunter could turn that around for the Wii U in Japan! It will still do alright but it will probably be last this gen like the Cube!

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We need to remember that the reason Wii U isn't getting games, supposedly, is because it's "weak" and has a small install base.

First of all, the Wii U definitely isn't weak. We just don't kniw how much it can do in comparison. Honestly, I think the upcoming Wii U games look pretty good graphically. The only thing I think Nintendo will miss out on is 4K, but that's just my speculation.

Then there's the install base "problem". That may have been an issue back in March, but the install base has and will grow. Not to mention Nintendo has 1 more years of sales. Obviously, we don't know how well the other systems will do, but Nintendo's first year of systems sale WILL count for something, especially if they sell well this holiday.

I'd say by next year, 3rd parties will be trying to get their games on Wii U. It would be pretty naive to suggest that Wii U will or won't get the games with 100% confidence, because we really don't know. Going off of common sense, there is no reason to leave the Wii U out of 3rd party plans, so I'm leaning more towards the support possibility.

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Spoony_Tech

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@triforcepower73 What history is that?? Outside of the Wii nintendo hasn't won anything since the SNES! Yes they've lost every year up till the Wii and handhelds don't count as they have never lost to any other system not including Android or ios!

With that said I don't think the other systems will take off running either. Its going to be a struggle for all systems going forward. You can thank Apple and Adroid for that!

One last thing is Nintendo may have won the last system war for now but last I checked both sony and Microsoft weren't far behind and I think ps3 will sell well for the next 2 to 3 years and past the Wii imo!

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More and more 3rd party will come in over time. Just give the Wii U time.

Not the ones I want thought. Second hand games are also extremely rare here in my country and sales non existent. So everything remains premium priced.

The older generation looks just more attractive with regards to the sheer amount of games you can get with your money compared the Wii U. Since the new generation is probably gonna have a unprecedented adoption rate, you can almost be guaranteed a healthy second hand market so you'll always have options of games to buy when your cash strapped.

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triforcepower73

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@triforcepower73 What history is that?? Outside of the Wii nintendo hasn't won anything since the SNES!

The history that every single generation since the NES, the weakest console has always won. The Sega Master System was more powerful than the NES but the NES won. The Sega Genesis was more powerful than the SNES but the SNES won. The PS was the least powerful but it won. The PS2 was the least powerful but sold many times more than the competition combined. The Wii was the least powerful but it won. But as you pointed out the PS3 is still selling and could surpass the Wii. I would list the handhelds but you don't count those so I won't. Anyway my point is, I wasn't talking about Nintendo's history of winning but the history of the weakest console in every generation. And according to that history, Nintendo will win.

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SCAR392

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Actually, the SNES had better specs. That was a time of 1-on-1 competition and Sega releasing add-ons like the Sega CD. Sega Genesis was only a better system with those add-ons that no one bought(fast enough, or in a long period of time that never happened), then they abandoned them to soon.

EDIT: Atari was still there, too, but alot left Atari once the NES came out.

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If Nintendo is smart they'd continue their work with getting actual exclusives so that they can be the console where people still buy exclusives

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triforcepower73 wrote:

The PS was the least powerful but it won.

IIRC Sega Saturn was the least powerful of the big three in the 5th generation.

It's not that the weakest wins as much as it is that the most powerful always loses. The SNES era was the last time the most powerful console won out.

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Tasuki

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You guys talk about weak systems and that and its not the specs that sells systems its the games.

Nintendo has not done a very good job of marketing the Wii U. People unless they are gamers are confused as to why they need a Wii U. Nintendo has done nothing to convince people why they need a Wii U and that is what is hurting them. Third parties see that and as a result see the numbers of Wii U sales and can't justify spending a bunch of money of a game that people may not buy. That's why they do the sloppy ports or just ignore the Wii U altogether. Unless sales go up on the system 3rd parties will treat the Wii U as they have been. Its that simple.

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DefHalan

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Specs are never the true reason why a console succeeds. It is about Software. In the past the "weaker" consoles generally did well because it was easier for developers to put games on those systems. Right now 3rd Party Companies are in a race to the bottom, in my opinion. 3rd Party thinks they need to go bigger to make money. What I see happening is, 3rd Parties are going to continue to push things forward until Game Budgets are too high for them to continue with that trend until their focus is completely on Mobile, because that is where they can actually make money. This move will give Indies the chance to take over consoles, their small experiences being powered by huge machines. We won't need a new console generation for awhile. The only way for these big 3rd Party Companies to stay relevent is to put their top designers on smaller projects, like Ubisoft's Child of Light. That is my prediction. Thanks for reading my wall of text.

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triforcepower73

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cookiex wrote:

triforcepower73 wrote:

The PS was the least powerful but it won.

IIRC Sega Saturn was the least powerful of the big three in the 5th generation.

It's not that the weakest wins as much as it is that the most powerful always loses. The SNES era was the last time the most powerful console won out.

You put it much better than I. :D

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triforcepower73

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Btw @everybody I still think that the Wii U will win.

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Tasuki

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triforcepower73 wrote:

Btw @everybody I still think that the Wii U will win.

Only time will tell.

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CM30

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Maybe. It's hard to tell.

If the Wii U sells fantastically this Christmas and keeps selling next year, or the PS4 and Xbox One both pretty much crash and burn spectacularly, then there's a chance third parties will support it more heavily pretty much out of necessity.

On the other hand, a certain amount of third parties seem to have a ridiculous grudge against Nintendo, so we might instead see a bunch of them refuse to support it and then go out of business when a few more triple A titles bomb. That could be fun.

Also, as for the weakest system wins... sort of. As someone said, it's the more the one with the best games. And the SNES itself was an 'inbetween' console, being more powerful than the Mega Drive/Genesis but weaker than the likes of the Neo Geo. Price plays a part too, a console can also easily price itself out the market like so many other console failures throughout history.

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