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OptometristLime

theblackdragon wrote:

thelastlemming wrote:

More to the point I think a playable female character set in the Zelda universe could be very cool. But to call that character "Link" is to forever bastardize a beloved character by saying anyone by that name can claim to be the legendary hero.

... so? i thought that was the point of Link being reincarnated through time, it's always someone named Link who winds up the legendary hero. I don't see it as bastardization, I see it as 'something different for the series'.

I mostly agree. What I mean is that Link has been depicted throughout the games as being a fair-haired male, Hylian, wears green... there are certain things that combine together to define Link as a Nintendo character. A strong female character should not be superimposed over an existing identity, you wouldn't name a newborn child after a deceased sibling. Invent a new character and establish some new origins to make her equally compelling and unique.

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WhiteKnight wrote:

If I ever get into politics I'm going to use this exact thread as proof that we need feminism to be a requisite course in schools.

There's a lot of learnin' to be done.

You should use this thread as proof instead.

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Meowpheel

Who's this Link?
Wasn't his name Zelda?

It would bee way too weird if Zelda was a girl.

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scrubbyscum999

This thread has gone to a debate about sexism. My prediction that this would happen is correct. I still don't see why Link should be a girl a girl. Link is a boy, that has been established for more than 25 years. There is absolutely no point in changing sexes of the characters all of sudden. It wouldn't fit. All because Link isn't "masculine". I think in the traditional sense he is very masculine. Just because he isn't bulging with muscles, have a super deep voice, and tries to constantly act macho doesn't mean he doesn't posses qualities of manhood. Things such as bravery, a strong sense of justice, selflessness, and perseverance, whether it is right or not, have been associated with traditional good male characteristics.

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Aviator

And bravery, a strong sense of justice, selflessness, and perseverance, whether it is right or not, cannot be associated with a woman character?

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scrubbyscum999

Aviator wrote:

And bravery, a strong sense of justice, selflessness, and perseverance, whether it is right or not, cannot be associated with a woman character?

I knew someone would say that. These have been considered traditionally more masculine in society. Is it right for those traits to automatically be associated with men? That is up for debate. I don't think so. However, if you look at any qualities of a traditional male hero, those have been central. All I am saying is that Link is in my opinion a masculine character, not just in the dirty, macho, in your face type of way.

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And a female character can't have those characteristics as well?

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Meowpheel

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To be honest, the chances of Nintendo changing the gender of one of they most widely known and more profitable characters are very slim.

Mostly because Zelda can't be a boy.

Nintendo is too traditional to make two characters usually paired together as more-than-just-friends by crazy fans have the same gender.
They're also too traditional to have a male as the reincarnation of a goddess and the symbol of hope and purity.

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Aviator

Why does Zelda automatically have to be a boy if Link was a girl?

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Bankai

Trainer_DJ wrote:

This thread has gone to a debate about sexism. My prediction that this would happen is correct. I still don't see why Link should be a girl a girl. Link is a boy, that has been established for more than 25 years. There is absolutely no point in changing sexes of the characters all of sudden. It wouldn't fit. All because Link isn't "masculine". I think in the traditional sense he is very masculine. Just because he isn't bulging with muscles, have a super deep voice, and tries to constantly act macho doesn't mean he doesn't posses qualities of manhood. Things such as bravery, a strong sense of justice, selflessness, and perseverance, whether it is right or not, have been associated with traditional good male characteristics.

One of the best ballets I have ever seen in my life was an all-male take on Swan Lake.

Yes, that included the traditionally female roles in the ballet.

This doesn't mean that the men were dancing around on pointe and doing the kind of figures that a ballerina does. It means they adopted the roles usually played by females for a male dancer.

There's no reason whatsoever that they could not do the same with Link.

For a company that is meant to be "innovative," and with a fanbase that constantly gloats about how "innovative" it is, Nintendo is very backwards when it comes to being socially progressive with narrative and the artistry of games, and the Nintendo fanbase manage to ignore this complete lack of innovation. As long as they get to rescue Zelda with a new touch screen gimmick, right?

I guess people don't really care about innovation at all. They just want fancy new gimmicky toys to play with.

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WolonzoPower

If you want to play as a female, just pressure nintendo to release a game where you play as zelda. Changing link to a girl would be like making mario a girl or samus a guy..

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WolonzoPower

It wouldn't seem right. I don't know why, it just wouldn't. It would be changing too much about the franchises I love and play. If the character is established as a guy, keep them as a guy. If they are established as a girl, keep them as a girl.

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scrubbyscum999

Aviator wrote:

And a female character can't have those characteristics as well?

Of course a female character can, any character can have any characteristics. Seeing as how Zelda is very traditional in "damsel-in-distress" plot r at the very least Zelda needs some help from Link the legendary hero, it going through a more old style look at things.

WhiteKnight wrote:

Trainer_DJ wrote:

This thread has gone to a debate about sexism. My prediction that this would happen is correct. I still don't see why Link should be a girl a girl. Link is a boy, that has been established for more than 25 years. There is absolutely no point in changing sexes of the characters all of sudden. It wouldn't fit. All because Link isn't "masculine". I think in the traditional sense he is very masculine. Just because he isn't bulging with muscles, have a super deep voice, and tries to constantly act macho doesn't mean he doesn't posses qualities of manhood. Things such as bravery, a strong sense of justice, selflessness, and perseverance, whether it is right or not, have been associated with traditional good male characteristics.

One of the best ballets I have ever seen in my life was an all-male take on Swan Lake.

Yes, that included the traditionally female roles in the ballet.

This doesn't mean that the men were dancing around on pointe and doing the kind of figures that a ballerina does. It means they adopted the roles usually played by females for a male dancer.

There's no reason whatsoever that they could not do the same with Link.

For a company that is meant to be "innovative," and with a fanbase that constantly gloats about how "innovative" it is, Nintendo is very backwards when it comes to being socially progressive with narrative and the artistry of games, and the Nintendo fanbase manage to ignore this complete lack of innovation. As long as they get to rescue Zelda with a new touch screen gimmick, right?

I guess people don't really care about innovation at all. They just want fancy new gimmicky toys to play with.

The way you downplay all the changes the serious has went through time it would seem that every new invention or innovation would just seem like a gimmick to you. Not every thing has to challenge some sort of deep social view, or gender roles in this case. Innovation and originality can come in many forms. Not to mention it's a serious so there is some basic things they're going to have. I still don't see what is the point of making Link a girl. It seems so random and unnecessary. This goes with changing the gender of any established character.

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Meowpheel

Though, now that I remember...

There's this:
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She's not Link, but she fulfills his role in this Official Zelda game.

Does it count?

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Aviator

Also, Link is an established character. But the boys who are the Links of their games aren't.

There is no reason that a female cannot be a descendent of Link.

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OptometristLime

Aviator wrote:

Also, Link is an established character. But the boys who are the Links of their games aren't.

There is no reason that a female cannot be a descendent of Link.

False.

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WolonzoPower

Trainer_DJ wrote:

The way you downplay all the changes the serious has went through time it would seem that every new invention or innovation would just seem like a gimmick to you. Not every thing has to challenge some sort of deep social view, or gender roles in this case. Innovation and originality can come in many forms. Not to mention it's a serious so there is some basic things they're going to have. I still don't see what is the point of making Link a girl. It seems so random and unnecessary. This goes with changing the gender of any established character.

This is exactly what I was getting at! You are much better at wording things than I am..

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Aviator

So the same character appears in all of the Zelda games?

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Bankai

joker94 wrote:

It wouldn't seem right. I don't know why, it just wouldn't. It would be changing too much about the franchises I love and play. If the character is established as a guy, keep them as a guy. If they are established as a girl, keep them as a girl.

It's adding two 3D triangles to the polygonal mass you call "Link's" chest.

That's like 8KB of memory (16KB if you add jiggle). In a 1+GB game, I would suggest it's changing very little.

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