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LegatoSkyheart

This video gave me hope for the system.
Not all 3rd Party games that year was going to hit the system, but I thought they would eventually. I gave benefit of the doubt, figured the dev kits didn't come in time or whatever. So delayed ports were expected and by 2014 the WiiU would be getting games normally like the rest of the crowd.

What happened?

Seriously? What Happened? We get reports of New Games, Games that previously were on WiiU before and started gathering up a user base to suddenly no longer be coming to the system. Let alone even be mentioned by 3rd Parties.

Dead or Alive? Is WiiU getting Last Round? Nope!
Ultra Street Fighter IV? No plans.
Tekken 7? Nope even though there's Pokken Tournament on the way.
How about Call of Duty Advance Warfare? That hits everything right? Denied by order of Activision.
Surely Resident Evil will come? Both the Remaster of REmake and Revelations 2 are not coming to WiiU.
Dragon Age Inquisition? HA Fat chance!
We're still getting Watch Dogs right? Yes.
Oh that means Assassin's Cre- Nope.

Any sports games coming out to... WiiU didn't get Madden 15 and Fifa 15 will hit Wii, not WiiU.

This is awful. What the heck happened? How did Nintendo go from Some 3rd Party Support probably the best they've had in years to total seclusion from the Games industry? It's mind boggling and lot of these Developers say they're waiting for the install base to increase too. Didn't WiiU sales reach beyond 7 million? That's way more than Xbox One, but guess which one is getting the better 3rd Party Support?

Yeah Yeah Nintendo themselves are doing great, Splatoon, Pokken, Smash, Mario Kart 8 DLC they're all great, Amazing, but I just wished we could have that AND the 3rd Party.

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CaviarMeths

Ninja Gaiden 3, Warriors Orochi 3, Fatal Frame 5, and Hyrule Warriors make me somewhat hopeful that KT would at least be willing to consider the next Dead or Alive for Wii U.

So Anakin kneels before Monster Mash and pledges his loyalty to the graveyard smash.

LegatoSkyheart

CaviarMeths wrote:

Ninja Gaiden 3, Warriors Orochi 3, Fatal Frame 5, and Hyrule Warriors make me somewhat hopeful that KT would at least be willing to consider the next Dead or Alive for Wii U.

Yet Dead or Alive 5: Last Round is not coming to the WiiU.

LegatoSkyheart

CaviarMeths

LegatoSkyheart wrote:

CaviarMeths wrote:

Ninja Gaiden 3, Warriors Orochi 3, Fatal Frame 5, and Hyrule Warriors make me somewhat hopeful that KT would at least be willing to consider the next Dead or Alive for Wii U.

Yet Dead or Alive 5: Last Round is not coming to the WiiU.

Neither did Dynasty Warriors 8 or Samurai Warriors 4, but I'm not ready to count out KT yet.

So Anakin kneels before Monster Mash and pledges his loyalty to the graveyard smash.

jump

LegatoSkyheart wrote:

though there's Pokken Tournament on the way.
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It hasn't been comfirmed yet...

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Nicolai wrote:

Alright, I gotta stop getting into arguments with jump. Someone remind me next time.

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DualWielding

@LegatoSkyheart.... Nintendo release and underpowered console with a different architecture from the rest... they initially try to fool people into thinking they will have third party support even going so far as to claim they had an unprecedented partnership with EA but people was not fooled and the console didn't sell.... porting games designed from other consoles to Wii U is more expensive than what companies can make selling to Wii U users (a good number of Wii U owners also own another console so those people will still buy the game in other console if it doesn't come to Wii U, the only sales that matter from an economic point of view is those of Wii U only owners)

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arnoldlayne83

It happened that 3rd parties generally sold abysimal on WiiU its first year... due by a combination of factors, mainly (not in order):

1) "Gimped" versions of games
2) Poor interest for 3rd party "hardcore" games from the average Nintendo fan (as u can see from the software sales charts)
3) Small userbase

Considering the 3) point, if I can, I would expand the discussion, mainly to answer to the ones who keep saying "XB1 sold less than WiiU, but still got 3rd parties".

Yes, it's true, on global scale XB1 is at around 5.14 million consoles, and WiiU is at 7.04... but consider two things:

1) Xb1 did these numbers in 10 months, WiiU in 22
2) If you check the regional sales, you'll see this (in million units):

------USA EU JAP Rest TOT

PS4 4.37 3.76 0.67 1.25 10.05
WiiU 3.04 1.68 1.89 0.48 7.09
XB1 3.55 1.23 0 0.36 5.14

(source: VGChartz)
What do you see? apart the incredible success of ps4 in western world and the relative problem it as in Japan, the 2 consoles (xb1 and ps4) outsold or are close to outsell WiiU in USA and EU (and in half of the lifespan of WiiU)... take out japan from the sum and you'll see that wiiU did almost exactly like xb1, but having 12 months of advantage....
In USA, WiiU is already the last one of the trio.... combine this all and the behaviour of 3rd parties sound much normal.... 3rd parties which are mainly based in USA and EU (UK and France), and which make games mainly for ppl living in USA and EU.... why to invest workforce and money to a console that in my mainstream market is doing so poorly? PS4 is a success, XB1 not at the moment, but being so Windows oriented is an easy porting console from pc games....

That's why, IMHO, the 3rd parties went away.... and, honestly, there is nothing wrong in it, if you think with a marketing/economical point of view....

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Blast

The situation is very complicated but I will say that missing out on 3rd party games really sucks.

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luisesteban

LegatoSkyheart wrote:

How did Nintendo go from Some 3rd Party Support probably the best they've had in years to total seclusion from the Games industry?

That's pretty easy, Sony & MS pays more for the games comes only to their systems than what the developers could sell in the Nintendo systems.

luisesteban

VmprHntrD

What happened? Nintendo and the gamers it has retained for generations now is the ultimate answer. The N64 cart vs PS1 CD split things between the groups and while it had moderate 3rd party support it wasn't hot. The Gamecube got mostly up to spec but with a small disc and got a lot more third party stuff than it and anything after too. Wii cut corners not doing 720p on what hardware is there and went into disruption tactics with motion control and that ran off a lot of third parties even more than N64 carts did and the WiiU went with a tablet over up to snuff HD. Years, generations have passed where NIntendo has fostered a relationship that caters ONLY to those interested in their style of games and when third parties do bother to try their stuff most often sells like a quarter or a tenth of of the numbers it should so where's the motivation to bother when you lose cash? I can't fault the third parties this generation as I would have last go around since they could have just been sloppy and used it as a PS2 port box. This go around the chip is wonky and hard to port code to, and what it can do while great isn't up to snuff again so even hoping to get what still hits PS3 isn't happening either. Had Nintendo gone and made a system to the requested specs by game makers you'd see some difference, not sure what, but a lot better than now seeing they were out a year earlier as it would have kind of had a 360 early release effect last go around building up a base.

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SCRAPPER392

@tanookisuit
Except that PS2 was just as hard, if not harder to code for. Sony just got lucky that DVD sold it so well, because the bluray sure as hell didn't sell PS3(as much of an extent, anyway). No offense, but you're full of crap if you think Wii U can't run games that have as good of graphics as PS3. We basically have already seen proof of this in titles like Pikmin 3, Super Mario 3D World, Hyrule Warriors, etc. The Wii U has already met and slighty surpassed PS3.

The Xbox 360 got 10 million consoles in 3 years, then it shot up, with PS3 following and eventually catching up. That's why all this talk of too small of install base and money problems is proof that people don't know what they're talking about. As mentioned, things went just as slow, if not slower, and things went totally fine; at least for Wii and Xbox 360. Sony basically bled money from PS3, so good job.

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Dreamsleep

We get this constantly, but...yeah...don't buy a WiiU for third party games. It isn't happening.

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Joeynator3000

At this point the only 3rd party I care about (...unless for some bizarre reason MH5 is a 3DS title. >_> ) right now is Capcom. Like everyone else has said, I buy Nintendo systems for Nintendo games.

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LzWinky

I think Nintendo should aim for more collaborations at least

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Noonch

Nintendo is in trouble this generation and I'd say WiiU is relegated to last place/secondary console for most. Maybe Nintendo needs to offer insane Club Nintendo points for 3rd party games or something to nudge some extra sales to those devs. People go where the money is and just like Hollywood it's not necessarily in quality anymore. Just blockbuster mediocrity or cheap and easy money.

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WaLzgi wrote:

I think Nintendo should aim for more collaborations at least

SEGA or Sumo Digital X F-Zero, make it happen...

Platinum games X Star Fox or Kid Icarus, make it happen...

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arnoldlayne83

tanookisuit wrote:

What happened? Nintendo and the gamers it has retained for generations now is the ultimate answer. The N64 cart vs PS1 CD split things between the groups and while it had moderate 3rd party support it wasn't hot. The Gamecube got mostly up to spec but with a small disc and got a lot more third party stuff than it and anything after too. Wii cut corners not doing 720p on what hardware is there and went into disruption tactics with motion control and that ran off a lot of third parties even more than N64 carts did and the WiiU went with a tablet over up to snuff HD. Years, generations have passed where NIntendo has fostered a relationship that caters ONLY to those interested in their style of games and when third parties do bother to try their stuff most often sells like a quarter or a tenth of of the numbers it should so where's the motivation to bother when you lose cash? I can't fault the third parties this generation as I would have last go around since they could have just been sloppy and used it as a PS2 port box. This go around the chip is wonky and hard to port code to, and what it can do while great isn't up to snuff again so even hoping to get what still hits PS3 isn't happening either. Had Nintendo gone and made a system to the requested specs by game makers you'd see some difference, not sure what, but a lot better than now seeing they were out a year earlier as it would have kind of had a 360 early release effect last go around building up a base.

totally agree, nice analysis....

And the sales performances confirm that.... Nintendo fans buy mainly and only Nintendo games nowaday.... it's a kind of elitist society of gamers, I love Nintendo games (not all of them, the most part), but I love also other kind... and it is funny sometimes to read some hardcore Ninty fans talking about how bad are games like Last of Us or the online of Battlefield.... they probably never even try that...

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VmprHntrD

SCAR392 wrote:

@tanookisuit
Except that PS2 was just as hard, if not harder to code for. Sony just got lucky that DVD sold it so well, because the bluray sure as hell didn't sell PS3(as much of an extent, anyway). No offense, but you're full of crap if you think Wii U can't run games that have as good of graphics as PS3. We basically have already seen proof of this in titles like Pikmin 3, Super Mario 3D World, Hyrule Warriors, etc. The Wii U has already met and slighty surpassed PS3.

The Xbox 360 got 10 million consoles in 3 years, then it shot up, with PS3 following and eventually catching up. That's why all this talk of too small of install base and money problems is proof that people don't know what they're talking about. As mentioned, things went just as slow, if not slower, and things went totally fine; at least for Wii and Xbox 360. Sony basically bled money from PS3, so good job.

Let's look at the facts of history here. 1996-2001~ era. PS1 sells over 100M units to the 33M units of the N64. Sony gets all the third parties, almost all of them bail on Nintendo. Sure the PS2 was hard to code for, but the fact they came in with that kind of power after putting Sega to death and MS being the new upstart, challenge didn't matter when you had that kind of base of interest to drag along. Nintendo lost all but a few heavy supporters and a few more came on board comparatively with the Cube. So your argument that 'challenge' of coding is moot.

I never said the WiiU could not run PS3 level stuff. I said you read carefully that people don't want' to port over the stuff because of Nintendo's own behavior in how they've driven off a lot of people while keeping their most staunch supporters around, those who DO NOT BUY third party games. So why port over PS3 games if you can sell just a few thousand instead of a million?

Great for the 360, they had a year head start and within 3 years they lost it. Do you know why? MS doesn't like to make much themselves, so it's basically largely a port box, a reversal of what NIntendo has which is a 'me me me' box. Sony equally supports themselves heavily like NIntendo, but doesn't do it they way NIntendo does which is why they have so much heavy third party support. Sony stupidly did bleed cash, and you know, after 4 years they overtook the bleed and made money on the system, so they're not losing on it in the end and that's what any of them hope to do, profit in hardware at the end and get it in games. Nintendo likes to profit immediately on a system, and get it on games, and to do that, they go cheap, go lower powered, and it bites them in the ass every go around since discs took off which they were even a generation late to the party for.

You're not basing your insulting my post saying it's full of crap with any actual facts, just opinion crop dusted with fragments of fact to try and make a believable story. PS2 may have been weaker, it may have been hard to code for, but it wasn't very much weaker or nastier to work with, and because of how many supporters in consumers and developers it didn't matter. Nintendo doesn't have but few supporters in gamers and developers, so you can't argue it being hard to code for it nothing, it's just another reason people won't move stuff over on top of the fact no one will buy it anyway as the facts in sales show unfortunately. I'd love more than anything this not to be true as I own the thing, but it's getting dusty as I can't find a game to play and it drove me like the Wii to buy another Playstation. I don't like being a multi-console owner, it eats up more space and cash.

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rallydefault

It wasn't "what" happened, but "what didn't" happen ... and that was Wii U sales numbers. The hardware didn't sell as briskly as publishers hoped, therefore they reevaluated and pulled resources.

When Wii U sales start to pick up and a respectable base is installed, publishers will come back.

That's exactly what happened and will always happen forever and ever. This stuff about "Nintendo fans buy mainly and only Nintendo games nowaday ..." is garbage. The reason "Nintendo fans" buy Nintendo games is because that's MOSTLY what there is to buy! If I hop on my Wii U eShop right now and go to buy a game, there's a MASSIVELY increased chance that it's going to be from Nintendo because that's what my selection pool looks like. And we got to this point because of the hardware sales numbers. If Wii U had an install base of 15-20mil, you can BET that Ubisoft would bend over backwards to get the new Assassin's Creed on the system.

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tanookisuit wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

@tanookisuit
Except that PS2 was just as hard, if not harder to code for. Sony just got lucky that DVD sold it so well, because the bluray sure as hell didn't sell PS3(as much of an extent, anyway). No offense, but you're full of crap if you think Wii U can't run games that have as good of graphics as PS3. We basically have already seen proof of this in titles like Pikmin 3, Super Mario 3D World, Hyrule Warriors, etc. The Wii U has already met and slighty surpassed PS3.

The Xbox 360 got 10 million consoles in 3 years, then it shot up, with PS3 following and eventually catching up. That's why all this talk of too small of install base and money problems is proof that people don't know what they're talking about. As mentioned, things went just as slow, if not slower, and things went totally fine; at least for Wii and Xbox 360. Sony basically bled money from PS3, so good job.

Let's look at the facts of history here. 1996-2001~ era. PS1 sells over 100M units to the 33M units of the N64. Sony gets all the third parties, almost all of them bail on Nintendo. Sure the PS2 was hard to code for, but the fact they came in with that kind of power after putting Sega to death and MS being the new upstart, challenge didn't matter when you had that kind of base of interest to drag along. Nintendo lost all but a few heavy supporters and a few more came on board comparatively with the Cube. So your argument that 'challenge' of coding is moot.

I never said the WiiU could not run PS3 level stuff. I said you read carefully that people don't want' to port over the stuff because of Nintendo's own behavior in how they've driven off a lot of people while keeping their most staunch supporters around, those who DO NOT BUY third party games. So why port over PS3 games if you can sell just a few thousand instead of a million?

Great for the 360, they had a year head start and within 3 years they lost it. Do you know why? MS doesn't like to make much themselves, so it's basically largely a port box, a reversal of what NIntendo has which is a 'me me me' box. Sony equally supports themselves heavily like NIntendo, but doesn't do it they way NIntendo does which is why they have so much heavy third party support. Sony stupidly did bleed cash, and you know, after 4 years they overtook the bleed and made money on the system, so they're not losing on it in the end and that's what any of them hope to do, profit in hardware at the end and get it in games. Nintendo likes to profit immediately on a system, and get it on games, and to do that, they go cheap, go lower powered, and it bites them in the ass every go around since discs took off which they were even a generation late to the party for.

You're not basing your insulting my post saying it's full of crap with any actual facts, just opinion crop dusted with fragments of fact to try and make a believable story. PS2 may have been weaker, it may have been hard to code for, but it wasn't very much weaker or nastier to work with, and because of how many supporters in consumers and developers it didn't matter. Nintendo doesn't have but few supporters in gamers and developers, so you can't argue it being hard to code for it nothing, it's just another reason people won't move stuff over on top of the fact no one will buy it anyway as the facts in sales show unfortunately. I'd love more than anything this not to be true as I own the thing, but it's getting dusty as I can't find a game to play and it drove me like the Wii to buy another Playstation. I don't like being a multi-console owner, it eats up more space and cash.

Keep up with excellent posts, sometimes you need a counterbalance to the zealots.

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