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61. Posted:

Pachter upsets me as a Nintendo fan. However that doesn't mean that he's necessarily wrong. As a Nintendo fan, I'm willing to wait and see what tricks Nintendo has up its sleeves. A shareholder interested only in growing their portfolio may not be quite as forgiving as their earnings are continually being reduced. We all know that Nintendo knows games. They virtually started the gaming industry! They've always had a roguish attitude about forging their own path and differentiating themselves. The maverick attitude is a great one to have when taming the wild frontier. You break new ground and can even strike gold. This works well until the day you don't heed honest advice. The day you shoot the "danger ahead" sign, continue on your way, and you fall off a cliff obscured by overgrowth.
Nintendo may be preparing something big. We all saw the "hq consolidation" reports. Maybe they have a plan to get things on track. Games that everyone wants can solve this, but they need to come out now! Nintendo is having 3rd party issues, so if it can't attract 3rd parties, then it needs to make more games. Plain and simple. It needs to try out adult franchises too. If people want 1st person shooters, make them too! Hire new talent, lure others away, do what ever you have to do. But games are the answer right now!
Pachter may be infuriating, but he was really just parroting what we all instinctively know. Nintendo needs to sell more systems and do it fast! With the next system after the WiiU, graphical horsepower cannot be ignored either. I've never been one to care much for raw power, but many do. They need to figure out a way to keep up to remain competitive. Otherwise it's just one more strike against them.
I sincerely hope they can right the ship. If they ever go out of business, I can't see myself continuing with gaming. Not hyperbole.

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62. Posted:

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Pachter says something negative about Nintendo, all the Nintendo fans react with hatred. Rinse and repeat... NEXT!

The point I was trying to make

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63. Posted:

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If Nintendo can recover from the GameCube I think they can recover from anything.

The GameCube wasn't a disaster.. While not one of their best consoles, it wasn't a failure... Their failure was the virtual boy,, didn't even last a year

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64. Posted:

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I'm sorry, but I'd love to know exactly how anyone can think this guy is an even remotely decent analyst. His 'analysis' has turned out wrong more times than right (he probably has a lower success rate than random chance or TV psychics do), he predicts the same things year after year despite plenty of evidence to the contrary and seems to have no real knowledge of what average people want at all.

If I was a client paying for analysis, I'd have found a better analyst and firm a long time ago...

Considering you seem to think analysts can own stock in the companies they track (they can't, it would be completely unethical and quite possibly illegal), then I would suggest you're in no position to judge whether an analyst is good or not.

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teus wrote:

Retro_on_theGo wrote:

If Nintendo can recover from the GameCube I think they can recover from anything.

The GameCube wasn't a disaster.. While not one of their best consoles, it wasn't a failure... Their failure was the virtual boy,, didn't even last a year

And Nintendo got through that just find. The Virtual Boy was a much bigger failure than the Wii U has been, and this time the console is following probably the most successful console Nintendo had yet (the Wii). Sure, investing in Nintendo right now would be extremely reckless, and I'm not saying Pachter is wrong within the context he was speaking. This doesn't mean Nintendo won't be on top ever again, but it's quite possible they already lost the lead for this generation. They can still walk away with profit, and we still can get plenty of excellent titles for the system. Just don't buy their stocks right now because you may face quite a loss. Pachter said Nintendo "probably" can't recover from their mistake, as in investors are advised against them anytime soon. That is a very fair piece of advice and as much as I love Nintendo, I would say anyone choosing to invest at this point in time is either an idiot or blinded by fan loyalty. He could be wrong but there is too much risk in the market right now, and his job is to analyze STATISTICS and say what is most likely, not just make blind guesses on trends he observes like most of us could do. Otherwise any of us could do his job and don't need a college degree.

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SCAR392

66. Posted:

GCN lasted a gen, and Virtual Boy didn't even have a real place in the market kinda. I had GCN, and there was tons of good games. Anyone that had a PS or Xbox always wanted to play multiplayer Smash Bros., Mario Party, Zelda Four Swords, Starfox Assault, Metal Arms: Glitch in the Sysyem, Mario Power Tennis, Mario Kart, RE4, etc. There was tons of good games on GCN, but online Halo with Xbox, and God of War with DVD playback on PS2 got people on their side. I liked GCN the most.

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^GCN definitely had some top-tier games, nobody will doubt that.

The system was a major flop though, and the console itself (not the games) is more to blame, with the childish design and the mini-disc format.

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68. Posted:

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^GCN definitely had some top-tier games, nobody will doubt that.

The system was a major flop though, and the console itself (not the games) is more to blame, with the childish design and the mini-disc format.

That childish design out lasted Xbox, and more so PS2's design. They did a 'torture test', and GCN beat both of the other consoles by simply drpping it on cement(PS2 died. GCN and Xbox survived), hitting it on the side with a sledge hammer(Xbox and GCN survived), then dropping it off of a one story ledge onto cement, and the GCN survived it all while Xbox didn't survive the one story. The mini disc format isn't really a flaw, besides switching discs. They didn't charge extra for games on 2 discs.

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69. Posted:

Just because it's tough, doesn't make the design any better than the other consoles.

Unless of course, you like dropping your systems in the middle of the road to see if they would break or not.

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SCAR392 wrote:

rayword45 wrote:

^GCN definitely had some top-tier games, nobody will doubt that.

The system was a major flop though, and the console itself (not the games) is more to blame, with the childish design and the mini-disc format.

That childish design out lasted Xbox, and more so PS2's design. They did a 'torture test', and GCN beat both of the other consoles by simply drpping it on cement(PS2 died. GCN and Xbox survived), hitting it on the side with a sledge hammer(Xbox and GCN survived), then dropping it off of a one story ledge onto cement, and the GCN survived it all while Xbox didn't survive the one story. The mini disc format isn't really a flaw, besides switching discs. They didn't charge extra for games on 2 discs.

Because I am constant dropping my consoles off tall ledges and hitting them with sledge hammers. I love my GameCube but that kinda durability is hardly relevant to home consoles, anyone that reckless with their belongings deserve to the damage inflicted on them. Sure, it's nice for them to be durable, but unlike handhelds they're not designed to be portable and the durability shouldn't really be a deciding factor on superiority.

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SCAR392 wrote:

rayword45 wrote:

^GCN definitely had some top-tier games, nobody will doubt that.

The system was a major flop though, and the console itself (not the games) is more to blame, with the childish design and the mini-disc format.

That childish design out lasted Xbox, and more so PS2's design. They did a 'torture test', and GCN beat both of the other consoles by simply drpping it on cement(PS2 died. GCN and Xbox survived), hitting it on the side with a sledge hammer(Xbox and GCN survived), then dropping it off of a one story ledge onto cement, and the GCN survived it all while Xbox didn't survive the one story. The mini disc format isn't really a flaw, besides switching discs. They didn't charge extra for games on 2 discs.

It doesn't matter what console survived the "torture test" because that determines nothing important.

The mini disc format is awful since it can only hold around 1.5 GB of data, and since DVD players were starting to catch fire around the early 00's, with GameCube being the only console at the time that didn't support that feature, it had a huge impact on Nintendo's profit from it.

Actually, not even the Wii U can play DVDs. How disappointing.

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72. Posted:

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Just because it's tough, doesn't make the design any better than the other consoles.

Unless of course, you like dropping your systems in the middle of the road to see if they would break or not.

It was tough in design compared to PS2 and Xbox. I'd rather have a 'stupid' looking good/durable console, than a 'sleek' fragile one. They were all basically on terms on what each one could do game wise, but GCN still failed. I didn't even think it looked dumb really, it was smaller and more compact than either of those consoles until PS2 slim came out.
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73. Posted:

He's an analyst and he knows his stuff better than any of us (unless you also happen to be an analyst- then I say have at him). On a somewhat related note, though, this general topic has been so talked to death that I feel like Taylor Swift (minus a gender change): "I'm just... this... THIS IS EXHAUSTING."

lol

Play yer gosh derned Wii U if you like it, and don't play it or buy it if you don't like it. Leave the analyzing to analysts, let forum trolls troll the forums, and don't spend your life always looking to future what ifs... you'll miss out on the fun of the present. And raise your blood pressure.

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rallydefault wrote:

He's an analyst and he knows his stuff better than any of us (unless you also happen to be an analyst- then I say have at him). On a somewhat related note, though, this general topic has been so talked to death that I feel like Taylor Swift (minus a gender change): "I'm just... this... THIS IS EXHAUSTING."

lol

Play yer gosh derned Wii U if you like it, and don't play it or buy it if you don't like it. Leave the analyzing to analysts, let forum trolls troll the forums, and don't spend your life always looking to future what ifs... you'll miss out on the fun of the present. And raise your blood pressure.

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I don't even care about DVD and bluray playback. I understand it can be important to SOME people, but you still had to buy a DVD add on for Xbox, and PS2's laser was picky as hell. Alot of people I know hated their PS2, because it wouldn't even turn on, or read the disc. GCN never had those problems, and DVD is pretty much outdated compared to bluray in my eyes.

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76. Posted:

Watching videos on discs is sooooo twentieth century. Get with the now people!

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I don't even care about DVD and bluray playback. I understand it can be important to SOME people, but you still had to buy a DVD add on for Xbox, and PS2's laser was picky as hell. Alot of people I know hated their PS2, because it wouldn't even turn on, or read the disc. GCN never had those problems, and DVD is pretty much outdated compared to bluray in my eyes.

It's a big factor when purchasing a console. It's convenient and people like having a DVD player and a gaming device all in one.

But yes, Xbox plays DVDs. As for your comment on PlayStation 2, the same can be said about GameCube. I've gone through more GameCubes than any other console to date. And if your friends' PS2 didn't turn on, it's probably because they dropped it off a ten foot height onto pavement.

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78. Posted:

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Watching videos on discs is sooooo twentieth century. Get with the now people!

I know, right? These same people probably don't have a flying car either.

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Sean_Aaron wrote:

Watching videos on discs is sooooo twentieth century. Get with the now people!

I know, right? These same people probably don't have a flying car either.

To this day I berate 60's-80's shows, such as the Jetsons for example. According to them, we're supposed to have flying cars that can compact into a suitcase by this point in time. :p I do remember seeing a show a couple years back about future inventions, and one of them was a working prototype flying car. But the thing was so clunky and clumsy-looking that a freaking helicopter is still more practical.

Wait, what's this topic about again?

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@Chrono_Cross
I don't even care about DVD and bluray playback. I understand it can be important to SOME people, but you still had to buy a DVD add on for Xbox, and PS2's laser was picky as hell. Alot of people I know hated their PS2, because it wouldn't even turn on, or read the disc. GCN never had those problems, and DVD is pretty much outdated compared to bluray in my eyes.

It's a big factor when purchasing a console. It's convenient and people like having a DVD player and a gaming device all in one.

But yes, Xbox plays DVDs. As for your comment on PlayStation 2, the same can be said about GameCube. I've gone through more GameCubes than any other console to date. And if your friends' PS2 didn't turn on, it's probably because they dropped it off a ten foot height onto pavement.

I'm guessing you touched the lens multiple times like you're not supposed to? One of mine broke that way, because a kid I knew touched my GCN lens, even after I told him not to play it without me or my brother being there. It wasn't even my fault. You must be REALLY careless with your consoles then, which gives even more reason to make them durable. That or you smoke around your consoles which can ruin the lens effectively in a period of time.
Would you rather have a broken PS2, or working GCN from an accident prone environment?

My brothers even dropped my 3DS XL(and my regular 3DS when I had it) on pavement, wood flooring, and tile, and it still works perfect with a few scratches. All the DS systems my brother has ever had all have chips on the corner going down to the bone of the casing. It does matter if a console can handle a drop off the top of an entertainment center, which is a possible fate.

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