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Treverend

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I know Plasma is better for gaming, since it's refresh rate blows LCD TV's out of the water, but what are the pros and cons? I never owned a plasma TV in my life so I'd like to have people clear some things up for me.

1) Do they have a shorter lifespan than LED LCD TV's?
2) Do you have to refill the plasma every few years? Sorry if this question is dumb, I was really told this back when plasma was new and just beginning.
3) This is more of a personal opinion, I heard plasma's are more energy hogs. Should I sacrifice picture quality to stay green and stick with LED LCD TV's?

What brand should I get? Really floating between either Samsung, LG, or Panasonic at the moment.

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I had a plasma Samsung for 7 years until it finally broke down this summer, so I got a bigger plasma to replace it. My family never had to fiddle with it much, it just lasted a lot longer than we thought. I can't comment on LED or LCD since I've never owned either TV, but I would like to have a LED TV in the future.

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Would this TV be okay? I know it's smaller but I use it on a desk and sit in front of it like a computer monitor anyway.

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I prefer plasma for my tastes which is movies and gaming however.... plasma usually have a break in period (my Panasonic needed it when I bought it 3 years ago.. I believe it is 30-40 hrs). A break in period means to not leave it on a particular screen for a long period of time to prevent bleed on the screen. If that scares you might just go for a LCD.

For whatever reason, I love my plasma. I have an LCD TV as well but the plasma can't compare to me.... but again that is my opinion.

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I'll never go LCD or LED EVER again. :p Main reason being is because the motion smearing is absolutely nasty....Especially if you're playing first or 3rd person based titles where you're constantly manouvering the camera around which basically blurs out all of the detail. What good are HD graphics when the detail is constantly being smeared worse than a VHS tape on the fritz? It's far too distracting and annoying, especially for movies.

Generally, LCD's have mediocre black levels/contrast ratios, and viewing angles especially on LED's are piss poor. Higher end LED's may beable to produce great black levels but again they suffer the same motion smearing/blur that's inherant to LCD technology, plus Blooming problems. Those gimmicky 120hz and 240hz sets are even worse for gaming since they raise input lag. And for movies? Blugh! 120hz and 240hz may reduce blur, but they add in frames where it completely destroys the look of film, and instead makes it look like video, aka 'the soap opera effect'

LCD and LED's still have amazing brightness levels which are great for a bright room, no glare issues and a clean/crisp image and no auto dimming or any problems with IR. But in the end, the terrible motion handeling, typical high input lag(plasma's are generally better, Panasonic and Samsung that is) and mediocre black levels are the deal breaker. My advice? get a Plasma, if you win up with an LED chances are you'll be screaming over the terrible input lag

Plasma's are almost like flat panel CRT's, you know those trusty tube TV's that have been out for centuries. Although, CRT still remains king when it comes to perfect moting handeling, plasma's however are 'close' and completely blow LED and LCD out of the water. Panasonics 2012 plasma's, the UT50 and onwards have black levels that are absolutely amazing and the sets themselves produce probably the best Plasma image thus far. BUT, panasonics 2012 plasma's apperantly are too solid in the input lag department.

Which is why i may be turning to samsung this year, which i don't exactly feel comfortable with. :p Test before you buy, you don't want a set with crappy input lag/delay. I won't settle for 2 frames or more...Hell I had to go back to my 32" Tube CRT TV because i couldn't game on my Panasonic Plasma from this year
due to the annoying input lag, which sucks because it's such a gorgeous set, but 'gameplay, buttons response matters more to me than a pretty picture.

If you plan on getting a plasma for the Wii U which you should, trust me. I'd check out this years Samsung E550 1080p 3D Plasma. Last years Panasonic S30 and ST30 are apperantly the best panasonic plasma's you can get when it comes to the lowest amount of lag possible.

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I don't notice the smearing you're talking about, my LCD 1080p computer monitor with my gaming PC is as crisp as real life and my LCD TV is pretty dang crisp too. Don't care about viewing angles neither, plan on looking straight on at it, never plan to be playing a game looking from an extreme angle. The black thing though I can give you, cause I heard plasma has truer colors, blacker blacks, and whiter whites. I already have an LED LCD HDTV, just want to upgrade , since it's a Vizio and only 720p, I'd like a better brand to last me longer and 1080p, never noticed this "input lag" you speak of, maybe if you explain it to me I'll understand. I know old early LCD TV's were laggy but I honestly don't notice it.. I have a 22' Vizio, my mom has a 52' Philips, and my dad has a 32' Vizio, all of them are LED LCD and I don't notice that. Answer this one question and I'll seriously consider plasma's, do they live as long as LCD tv's? I know older ones had a problem with their short life, do the new modern ones have that perfected now?

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From somebody who's played around on several HDTV's, be it plasma and LCD i'm calling complete Bull dookie on the'not noticing any motion blur' on an LCD. I can even notice slight blur on Plasma's, panasonic 600hz sets especially when gaming. .you mean to tell me that you notice zero motion blur on an LCD HDTV? C'mon man, there's no such thing, every single one of them has motion blur, it's inherant to the technology. in Metroid Prime 3 for example, sping/turn the camera around in circles and everything starts to blur. Keep in mind too that there will be image doubleing for 30 frames per second material. LCD's and LED's just hide it better because there's all of that motion blur going on, where on a plasma the image doubling is much more evident because of the superior motion handeling. 60fps titles don't have this problem though like in MP3's case.

and how can somebody notice input lag when they usually 'never' have a lag free TUBE CRT on the side to compare it to. i do, so i know all about this little input lag epidemic and how annoying it truly is. You can't just say "Oh i don't notice input lag" what are you compariing it to? you can't go by your instinct and assume that's how the game feels and plays because it's not. No HDTV on the planet has real time 0ms gameplay and the 1 frame/16ms sets are a complete rarity. Funny enough samsungs 2012 plasma 'can' do 1 frame if you lable HDMI 1 'pc input' but it locks out certain picture controls which kind of blows.

Anyways, i can tell the difference between a 1 frame/16ms set even though it's a small difference in comparison to a 0ms SDTV TV. 2 frames becomes instantly noticable, and for me breaks the experience. Anything more than 2 frames is just bs. 120hz and 240hz LED's are the worst at handeling lag.
Gamers who say they don't notice input lag on their HDTV is becauuse they're not used to gaming on a lag free tube TV, they don't know what they're missing out on in terms of controls, especially motion controls and what they're getting is a false impression based again on how the game controls/feels. I've got 2 CRT's on standby and i 'always' compare whenever i test out an HDTV. I also own an LCD that can do one frame, but i refuse to game on it because of the weak black levels and motion blur. :p

I'd take a look at the Samsung E550 1080p 3D plasma if i were you. The smallest size comes in 51" Samsung doesn't make 42" 1080p models, and panasonic i heard has discontinued their 42" 1080p U50,UT50 Plasmas. And man, i always get a kick out of somebody asking how long do Plasma's last in comparison to LCD/LED's I'd say they're about the same. Long enough. besides i for one don't like keeping a set for over 5 years, there's always something more amazing coming out with new additional features, be it improved 3D, deeper blacks, better motion, the works. But you can bet they do in fact last longer than that.

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I don't care about graphics, but man, a tiny bit of motion blur on a TV screen completely ruins a game.

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@WaveBoy Maybe I don't notice blur because I'm used to it, I never owned anything besides an LCD TV before, my gaming PC monitor is pretty crisp and clear though. Anyway I don't think I can go with plasma even if I wanted. I looked at them and it seems like the smallest size they make is 40' I can't have that since I use my TV/console setup like a PC/monitor setup. I have my 22' inch 720p LED LCD TV on my desk and it's already a decent size for using it in monitor distance. Plus I really like the energy saving of it, I don't know why it matters so much to me but it does. xD I'm not a hippie but I like nature, lol like my dream is to own a car that gets like 50 MPG too. xD I'm just really contentiousness about my energy consumption. Haha, wish the human population as a whole cared more about it. As long as I press the buttons and the action happens in the game a millisecond later then I'm fine, lol. It really doesn't bother me.. I always own at online games too, not bragging just being truthful, so I don't think it hinders me all that much. Not to mention I don't think I can afford a 40' inch TV at this time, if you found me a deal on a good branded one that would last me I'd seriously think about it though, I'd just move my desk chair and sit back on my bed so I don't destroy my eyes, lol.

If I do choose a LED LCD TV, you said you don't like 120HZ ones, what would you recommend then? Isn't that better than 60?

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LollipopChoSaw wrote:

I don't care about graphics, but man, a tiny bit of motion blur on a TV screen completely ruins a game.

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A tiny bit? now you're just being generous. :p I'm not biased towards TV technology, in fact i think it's completely hilarious to be. :p
LCD, LED and plasma's all have their pros and cons, you just have to pick what's right for you. SUPER OLED
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WaveBoy wrote:

LollipopChoSaw wrote:

I don't care about graphics, but man, a tiny bit of motion blur on a TV screen completely ruins a game.

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A tiny bit? now you're just being generous. :p I'm not biased towards TV technology, in fact that i think it's completely hilariouse to be. :p
LCD, LED and plasma's all have their pros and cons, you just have to pick what's right for you. SUPER OLED
will crush Plasma, LCD and LED whenever they become more affordable and become available in different sizes. Samsung's 55" Super OLED will be hitting towards the end of the year, for $8000....eek!

Well, a tiny bit from where I'm sitting.

I care a great deal about the graphics, since I like my games to be audio-visual experiences and all that junk, and my 32-inch or there abouts LCD tv with 1080p does me just fine for game. Motion blur or not.

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I think I'll be getting a LED TV, thanks for taking the time to help me out though man, like no one else really helped me make a choice.. now my biggest problem will be finding a white TV. :P I LOVE white electronics and I want it to match my Wii U and my room, and my white framed Zelda posters. xD Haha

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@WaltzTheWonderful
I'm very anal about picture quality. I have to get the most out of my set period. At least it got to that point with the release of the Gamecube. Black levels, motion handeling and color have been PERFECT on many of these old school TUBE TVs for years so sacrficing a couple of those things of course depending on the set just to get all of those wonderful additional features(HD, progressive Scan, Widescreen, HDMI and the big screen) can be pretty annoying, especially having to go through sets or to find out online 'which' sets deliver the lowest amount of lag. But ya, If the black levels(which are
obviously very important) are average and there's motion blur, i personally don't feel like it's worth playing most games on. I've been through this with my two previous LCD's and then some. different strokes. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.

Panasonic's 2012 mid to high end plasmas and maybe samsungs high end LED's are already at the point now where the black levels are amazing and good enough. while both technologies already offer greater color gamut as well. Anyways, if that 'sony'(you mentioned this a while back i think) 32" LCD does it for you than that's all that matters. as long as you're happy with your set.

For me, playing the next SSB in 720p/1080p, via HDMI, true widescreen, with NextGen Nintendo graphics on a 60" with dolby digital 5.1 surround sound will be bloody amazing, which is only one little example. :D Hell I wouldn't mind doing so with SSB Brawl. Now I know it's all about viewing distance and you can very well get an immersive experience with a 32" set if you're pretty close, but that also means a cramped/smaller living room depending unless you're just constantly pulling out your couch or TV closer to you everytime you game or watch movies. I've got the space for a 60" and the proper viewing distance, so i'm rockin. Anything bigger would be overkill!

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Treverend wrote:

I think I'll be getting a LED TV, thanks for taking the time to help me out though man, like no one else really helped me make a choice.. now my biggest problem will be finding a white TV. :P I LOVE white electronics and I want it to match my Wii U and my room, and my white framed Zelda posters. xD Haha

No prob! B-)
And dude, just a heads up be sure to check out the AVS forums LCD/LED 'Input lag' forum, or if you're in the UK 'HDTVTest.uk' for LED reviews.

HDTVTest - http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/
AVS LCD/LED Forum - http://www.avsforum.com/f/166/lcd-flat-panel-displays

Just to make sure you get a decent set with low input lag. They go in depth with everything. It's just good to get a much better idea of what you're buying instead of jumping straight in with some random affordable set while listening to some goober head working at BestBuy. lol

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This is what they said about the TV I was looking to buy. You tell me if it's good or bad.

"Only 16ms compared to lag-free CRT!"

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Treverend wrote:

This is what they said about the TV I was looking to buy. You tell me if it's good or bad.

"Only 16ms compared to lag-free CRT!"

Which LED/LCD is that?
16ms is the best it can get. Keep in mind though that's the UK model, pannels differ in the US, specificly the panasonic plasma's. :p

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I also have tiny bit of problem with this question. I still have CRT Sony TV but am planning on buying in less than a month Phillips 58PFL9956H/12 TV. Mainly i'm buying it because mostly for watching tv series and movies in HD and cause it's 21:9 AR. But will it be good for gaming and how will handle motion bluring and input lag. I know that ambilight doubles input lag if it's turned on.

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What are you saying, LED TV is way better in everything, longer life span, better motion(and I'm sure , I saw their performmance) the Led is abit pricy , but other than that it has the best performance and the best picture quality.

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Just to make sure everyone is on the same page: When talking about TVs (not mobile phones), "LED" just means what kind of backlighting is being used. "LED" TVs are still LCD screens. They're just using LEDs for backlighting instead of fluorescent tubes. In summary:

"LCD TV" is an LCD display with fluorescent backlighting.
"LED TV" is an LCD display with LED backlighting.

LED backlighting does allow for fancier control of illumination, depending upon the design of the TV. So it's more than just a simple substitution of LED for fluorescent. But I just wanted to point out that they're all still using LCD displays. And, yes, I know some of you already know this. But I was getting the impression that some people didn't.

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my plasma westenhouse wroks great i bought it 4 years ago i got told it last for around 9 years so i hope thats right

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