Topic: People and misunderstanding Wii U, Whats the best example you have?

here in the Uk it was in the news not long after the WiiU was released that a mother went to a game store and brought a WiiU game and didn't understand why it didn't work on her sons Wii, she then complained to the store and then to the papers when the shop wouldn't give her a refund because the box states that it is not compatible with the Wii

it was a pretty big story at the time

It's hard for Nintendo to go with the hardcore crown on the Wii U as the latter always see Nintendo's console as a kiddie console. Nintendo failed to convey it's message on the hardcore crowd even if the Wii U is not really a kiddie console anymore. It's really not Nintendo's intention to break into the hardcore crowd cuz it doesn't have to in order to make a profit. The hardcore gaming population is small. If it needs to target a particular crowd then it needs to target the same crowd that makes Nintendo a system seller in the past - the casual gaming population... your typical moms & dads or grandmas & grandpas who intend to get a Wii U not mainly for themeselves but for their kids or grandkids. You have to remember - Nintendo is in the gaming business to make profit just like Sony & Microsoft.

@Cheaptrick
Some would say that "casual" market is no longer there. Most "casual" gamers buy maybe 1 or 2 games a year and aren't interested in buying a new system when their Wii still works and has plenty of games which they can purchase. Trying to get the "casual" market to buy a new system when the one they already have still work is a hard sell. I believe if the Durango has a kinect and focuses on "casual", it will be a failure

There seems to be some valid grounds on this. If you really dissect Wii U's raw power some of its components turns out to be weaker than the other 2 current gen consoles. Overall though, some of its components more than make up to it's weaker components.

Akihiro Suzuki, producer of the Dynasty Warriors franchise has this to said to Eurogamer...

"One of the weaknesses of the Wii U compared to PS3 and Xbox 360 is the CPU power is a little bit less," he said. "So for games in the Warriors series, including Dynasty Warriors and Warriors Orochi, when you have a lot of enemies coming at you at once, the performance tends to be affected because of the CPU."

On the brighter side, it seems that the Wii U has a stronger GPU & will benefit from smoother frame rates & lower level of screen tear. But then again, cross-platform titles that's highly dependent on CPU power could end up noticeably worse off on the Wii U. There's some drawback as well as positive side on the Wii U but overall in terms of raw power it's really not significantly faster than the current gen consoles.

That's actually perfectly understandable. I've yet to see a Wii U game show anything more impressive than what the PS3 and 360 can do. Not that I'm saying the Wii U isn't capable of doing so, just that I'm still waiting for something truly impressive to come along.

Well to be fair, you can't expect impressive things the first year of release. The PS3 wasn't really shown off until at least its third year

You might have a point there but I still do think there's still lots of casual gamers far more than hardcore gamers. The threat of mobile gaming is for real & it's really what's eating the console market. Casual gamers tend to get their gaming fix on their smartphones & tablets even if not on the go. You can get games that you normally play on console before on smartphone & tablet at a much smaller price. It's a good idea for Nintendo going after this Indie game developers for them to make games that are cheaper to counter the threat of mobile gaming.

I agree 100% with that. I wasn't trying to be unfairly harsh on the Wii U.

Some kid I hang out with didn't realize the Wii U was a new console. I think he thought it was just the controller.

In addition to what I said, Sony is now taking steps to further take this mobile gaming threat seriously. Latest words from Ubisoft staff coming out the other day when asked about the next Assassin's Creed is that "it's nice to be able to play the next PS4 Assassin Creed game on smartphone & tablet". The writer said Ubisoft staff did not further elaborate on what he ment about it. I'm guessing that Sony's next move will be... using smartphones & tablets as a hub to play games on PS4 via Cloud while on the go while using a standard controller. Sony is taking further step to bring off TV play not just on PS Vita but even bigger.

Sounds awesome for me, but a casual gamer isnt going to want to buy a couple hundred dollar phone/Tablet and then go out and buy a PS4 for another couple hundred bucks, when they are content with the cheap apps on the app stores

Though I said so many time before that I'm not planning on buying PS4 or Xbox 720 for that matter mainly because of the PS Vita option for off TV play, I'm beginning to wonder now how PS4 will turn out. I often talked about PS Vita as a failure for off TV play. With this latest move by Sony I begun to wonder how this would turn out. It looks promising if my intuation is right (though it's very early to say for sure how Sony going to do this with smartphone & tablet off TV play). I for one used an Apple iPhone 5 & just bought last week a Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0 tablet. This would be great to play with PS4 on the go.

@The_Fox and @Cheaptrick
Yes. I understand how people are assuming that, but it's really not that hard to figure out. Once the Wii U specs got leaked, I immediately knew it was more powerful. It should show 30-50% better performance vs. Xbox 360 or PS3 by the end of it's lifecycle.
The CPU is worse(by a small increment), but the GPU and extra RAM more than make up for functions older consoles would have relied soley on the CPU for. It's spreading 1-3 functions across 3 different components instead of 1.
The 2GB RAM gives fast access to more programs simultaneously, so it already beats old consoles in RAM(which at this point, is required). The CPU is a new custom chip, but is also integrated with a GCN and Wii chip.
The GPU mirrors calculations which allows for a weaker CPU.
In a nutshell, the Wii U is a GCN, Wii, and new Wii U chip combined, using only the important features still relevant from their past gen systems. The architecture is overall based of a Power PC build. That was my understanding, anyway.

Playing PS4 games on a phone? This somehow seems counterproductive....and who exactly does it appeal to?

This is also Sony's answer to Nvidia's "Project Shield" & Valve's "Steam Box". It can run not only PC games but Android games as well. It can even fly a Parrot AR drone 2.0.

http://shield.nvidia.com/

http://www.dvice.com/2013-3-26/hands-project-shield-nvidias-b...

I believe that the mobile market mostly effects "casual" sales, this is where the Wii U is a great strategy on Nintendo's part. The Durango and PS4 will try to gear themselves to both "casual" and "hardcore" audiences (just as the WiiU) but with the mobile game front there won't be as many "casuals" willing to buy a full console ($500 possibly) with a new game ($60). This also affects the Wii U but the Wii U will be the cheapest console to develop for so you need less sales to make money which means a developer is more likely to profit from a Wii U title than a Durango or PS4. The install base is pretty solid on the Wii U, just less than people were expecting. I don't think the Durango and PS4 will have a much bigger install base than the Wii U in the same amount of time due to their on-going support of their older consoles and high price points. With EA, Activision and other Publishers already selling multi-million dollar titles and not making money (which turns into closing studios), is it really a smart idea to only support the Durango and PS4 with increased development cost?

Sorry about the long post

@Cheaptrick My only concern is how well will it stream over 3G and all that? I use splashtop for my pc and streaming over 3G is just awful, so I'd be impressed if they could do it over 3G well

Splashtop, Team Viewer, Remote PC, etc. are not for gaming. It's cannot compensate for lag issues as it process data pockets. Some people used to use it for playing games on platforms without Javascript (like IOS & Android on smartphones & tablets) but you can only play games on it that's doesn't require you to move fast like Runescape (which by the way my son is so addicted on playing) . This thing Sony or Nividia for that matter stream packets of data via Wi-Fi on Cloud in some form if over WAN (wide area network).

I'm surprised you still stuck on 3G when we're on 4G LTE & faster now. Anyway, even if you're using a Wi-Fi 3G network you still gonna be playing much better than playing your games as opposed to playing it via remote desktop. Remote desktop is not for gaming. I used remote desktop mainly to fix computers on WAN.

I don't use it for gaming, I use it to edit my server when I'm away, ya I'm good with 3G because that's the speed of my home Internet..... I need faster Internet in general, i've had the same internet for almost 10 years, and somehow I can runna server off it but ya if it works, awesome! Next upgrade I'm going to upgrade to a 4G capable phone for sure

Don't run your server at home. There's plenty of server providers out there that provide it for you for free with limited storage space. I tried running both web (XAMMP, WAMP Apache distribution) & game servers at home before & it's extremely hard to maintain it ON all the time. You can access your site files via FTP with an FTP uploader app.