Topic: Nintendo is kiddy, yet most of their franchises are very neutral

@8BitSamurai I guess :-/

Guys do we play games to have fun or do we play games so we can get into who played the correct type of games? God it's like reading an Audi Vs BMW thread all over. People might have different taste compared to you, but there is no need to downplay them just because they are different from you. My friend used to bombard me with a plethora of insults when I told them Skyrim is a piece of trash and why I prefer to play Call of Duty in my spare time. He's still living with his mother.

Somehow, what you said seemed quite sensible, while not exactly on point, until that part.

Oh yeah? So is YOUR MOM!

I've skimmed through this thread and didn't see anyone point out how Nintendo treats all their paying customers like children. No messaging system, no voice chat, etc. They don't make parents do their job and utilize the parental controls.

Also, this thread is sad. So what if people prefer M-rated games? Have you guys seen so much Nintendo hate that you've given in and now you're doing exactly the same thing as the people you're criticizing? Really mature, guys.

I realize not all of those people actually prefer M-rated games. Some of them are just teenagers who aren't comfortable enough with themselves to play games that aren't violent and dark. I also realize not liking Nintendo games is no reason to hate Nintendo. Also, I know that not ALL Nintendo games are family friendly, but the majority of them are.

Nintendo are always dragging their feet to give us features that we've come to expect a long time ago. HD, voice chat, connectivity, social features, etc. Also, don't bother trying to dismiss voice chat. There is not one logical argument against voice chat. Believe me, I've heard them all. It's become commonplace because its pros outweigh its cons.

Anyway, my final thought is this: nothing good will ever happen when you stoop to the level of the people you're criticizing.

This is a deliberate choice, particularly because Nintendo trying to keep up with the competition almost always backfires harder than anything and is the only reason Nintendo is still selling consoles after GCN.

I don't understand what you're trying to say.
Another thing I'd like to add to my comment: the one thing I can understand is Nintendo not jumping in on HD when MS and PS did because Nintendo's always tried to make their systems as affordable as possible. Everything else doesn't make sense though.

The reason it always backfires is Nintendo always makes at least one a**backwards decision that screws everything else up. Its a deliberate choice, but ironically, one thats due to other deliberate choices. Thats in addition to their general attitude towards 3rd-parties in the past.

@MayoRice
Yep, just look at stuff like friend-codes. Now granted I don't blame them for using them for the DS, but it still gave off a "kiddie" vibe, and if I remember right a lot of their PR was about protecting children. The Gamecube definitely had a toy-like vibe, to the point that back then someone from SEGA told them they didn't just want to make games for children. Not knocking it of course, its easily one of my favorite system lunchbox look and all, but like I said before its Nintendo's image as a whole thats the problem, not their games.

Considering the current fanbase of My Little Pony, I question the relevance of this (granted brony is not exactly a good example of an image, but you know what I mean).

While I do agree that they sometimes stick to their kid-friendly image too much, I get why when any risk of alienating that audience could be an utter disaster to Nintendo but I think that's exactly why they were inviting M-rated games and publishing Bayonetta etc. But I think their current strategy to make goofy, semi-nerd-pandering stuff on the internet is a decent compromise. Even from Nintendo's mistakes, they were usually made by smart people who know the industry and marketing and look at what generally works and what doesn't, so even if you disagree, I'm not sure you have sufficient proof that you know what could have happened if they did something else. GCN was not the perfectly marketed console but I'd still consider it quite good in that regard personally. I just think Nintendo needed to find a new way to do things instead of just making a Nintendo version of the other 2 consoles. Since tragically having Capcom quality support and getting lots of ports didn't mean a lot even when the AAA market wasn't so obsessed with M-rated games.

What he's saying is that Nintendo is famously / notoriously deliberate when it comes to making these kinds of choices.

That was initially though. The toy-like indigo was quickly phased out later, and Platinum become the main color.

I wouldn't be surprised if their terrible showing at E3 2003 had something to do with it. I distinctly remember people turning against the console at that exact point. Which is funny in retrospect since A TON of awesome games were released on the console that year. And seriously that was awful, focusing so much of your conference on an accessory that requires so much and Pacman VS...

Exactly, thank you.

@TheMisterManGuy
I know, I was mainly leading up to the following point about SEGA. The infamous '"lunchbox" design was still intact though, so that didn't exactly help much.

The concept of videogames is kiddie by its own nature. So yes, all videogame makers are kiddie.

Love you, guys.

There was also this one article i've read years ago ...
It was talking about how in the first Pikmin you use these creatures for pure survival while in Pikmin 2 they serve as a purely economical factor and therefore Olimar just exploits 'em in that sequel. _{It was linked on gonintendo one day. A quick google sadly didn't bring it up.}

Yeah, it's quite funny how some people validate their adulthood on the games they play. For people that don't play games, because they view them as kiddie, the content and presentation of said games doesn't even matter. You are kiddie, because you play games.
Whether you play with blocks, cards or video games, it's a game and you play it.

And as for restrictions, there wouldn't be any if people would behave. We are the reason we can't have nice things.

Are the games 'fun' to play?? That is the one and only consideration that matters to me...I'm far too old and out of touch to worry about such petty concerns as 'image' anyway.

If you want to start talking 'kiddie', then at least start the conversation with Grand Theft Auto 5, because it's probably the most immature game in circulation..

"“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” C.S Lewis