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Topic: Nintendo could be forced to discontinue Wii U next year (They can't be serious)

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Beetlejuice

41. Posted:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

tebunker wrote:

The difference is that Sony and to a degree MS have more money and marketing savy to keep thing moving. On top of that they have better relationships with developers to get the games and hype to convice people to commit.

In reality, these 2 sentences are basically the exact same.

Normally I wouldn't explain but:
1. Relationships with devs tend to mean "they paid them lots of money to get games".

...or it means since 2002 the majority of third party developers have noticed that they make little to no profit by selling their games for Nintendo systems, and instead all their revenue is made by making games for Sony and Microsoft.

It has nothing to do with 'paying off developers', it's all about making games for systems that will create a profit for them.

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kkslider5552000 wrote:

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Actually Sony and Microsoft would hurt a lot if either system failed. Not to mention Sony's been hurting from their other divisions.

If Ps4 somehow even has similar issues to Wii U, Sony's in legit trouble. Like not their console is ignored trouble, more like Sony could be gone if they don't turn things around trouble (though even that's unlikely imo...)

Its not that it is that on 77 billion revenue they are making 450 million profit. Loads of different parts of it are bleeding money and just the PS4 is not going to make any real difference to that.

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FutureAlphaMale wrote:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

tebunker wrote:

The difference is that Sony and to a degree MS have more money and marketing savy to keep thing moving. On top of that they have better relationships with developers to get the games and hype to convice people to commit.

In reality, these 2 sentences are basically the exact same.

Normally I wouldn't explain but:
1. Relationships with devs tend to mean "they paid them lots of money to get games".

...or it means since 2002 the majority of third party developers have noticed that they make little to no profit by selling their games for Nintendo systems, and instead all their revenue is made by making games for Sony and Microsoft.

It has nothing to do with 'paying off developers', it's all about making games for systems that will create a profit for them.

Thing about that is those systems haven't been making money for Microsoft or Sony.

That is not a sustainable situation. (And Microsoft is never charitable in the end. Sony never was at all until they became so desperate).

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Beetlejuice

44. Posted:

^

The post had nothing to do with Sony/Microsoft profits. It's about third party developers making profits from selling their games on Sony/Microsoft consoles.

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Guitardude7 wrote:

Unlike Sony, Nintendo can't afford to support a failing console

LOL I can't @ this. And this came from a finance website? Someone hasn't been checking their memos.

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A million reasons why Nintendo won't discontinue the EPIC Wii U.
-They have BILLIONSof dollars.So it's no shame for them to pick on them.Like the second article said,Sony suffers a loss in dollars too.
-Who remembers the list of GAMES that Nintendo announced for next year for ze Wii U.If Motley Fool says there aren't much games nor support for Wii U,
He is a crazy maniac.Or let's say a idiotic Whatisittooya gamer who only loves PS3/PS4/XB1/360 and not Nintendo.
-The units.They have sold more than 3.71 billion units in hardware and software(It said ever since October 1st,it could be even more!)and Fool is poking on this kid and adult friendly company.
-Last of all,even though Wii U may be a flop right now...It will punch Sony and Microsoft in the face and sales will go high as the kid says:NINTENDO SIXTY FOOOOOUUUURRRR!

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tebunker wrote:

The difference is that Sony and to a degree MS have more money and marketing savy to keep thing moving. On top of that they have better relationships with developers to get the games and hype to convice people to commit.

So the main reason it is a neg for Nintendo and not the others is that they have shown a no prisoners, win at almost all costs type of approach to succeed, where as Nintendo does not show that mentality. So effectively Nintendo is being out huistled and they have gone as far as to say they don't care. That doesn't instill confidence.

Are we talking about the same companies? Microsoft are probably being the clumsiest of the three in terms of money and marketing savy both in gaming and in their other products lately. They create Windows 8 which alienates their core audience in an effort to tackle the tablet market. Has even some of the most devoted Windows users buying copies of Windows 7 for their new machines. They try to tackle the Nintendo market with kinect but then price it higher than everyone else thus likely alienating the very people who would call themselves "casual gamers". They then force their core audience to buy Kinect in order to appease said casual market but in order to fit that in they make it less capable than the PS4.

In comparison Nintendo are market geniuses even this generation. They made a portable console smash hit when everybody said the medium was dead because of mobile. They sold people 3D when 3D TVs were sitting on shelves. With the Wii U they took a gamble on local game streaming which is a new and emerging trend post-Wii U announcement whether the Wii U is successful or not. Their main failure with the Wii U so far has been not getting the big first party AAA titles out quick enough. They also made the mistake of pricing a "family system" too high, although not as high as XBOne, and again lacking content.

Problems which they're solving now and problems only visible because of the clarity of low sales. I guess we'll have to wait and see how this pans out.

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Nintendo could support the Wii U to the end of time by cross subsidizing it with their handhelds, the question is will they? they are conservative company I can't just see keeping pumping money into a lost cause, if it doesn't start being profitable by Xmas 2014 I could see Nintendo giving up...... I mean they abandoned the N64, GameCube and the Wii the moment they stopped making money, in the case of the Wii they abandoned almost 2 years before the Wii U was ready

They abandoned the N64 in 2001 because the GBA was released and the Gamecube was on its way. If you have two new consoles with better tech and less limits it's clear that you as a game maker will try to make them a success. You're going to put all your resources into the better machines and hope your fans still want your games and buy it.

They abandoned the Gamecube in 2006 because the Nintendo DS was released and the Wii was on its way. If you have two new consoles with better tech and less limits it's clear that you as a game maker will try to make them a success. You're going to put all your resources into the better machines and hope your fans still want your games and buy it.

They abandoned the Wii in 2012 because the Nintendo 3DS was released and the Wii U was on its way. If you have two new consoles with better tech and less limits it's clear that you as a game maker will try to make them a success. You're going to put all your resources into the better machines and hope your fans still want your games and buy it.

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SKTTR wrote:

ferthepoet wrote:

Nintendo could support the Wii U to the end of time by cross subsidizing it with their handhelds, the question is will they? they are conservative company I can't just see keeping pumping money into a lost cause, if it doesn't start being profitable by Xmas 2014 I could see Nintendo giving up...... I mean they abandoned the N64, GameCube and the Wii the moment they stopped making money, in the case of the Wii they abandoned almost 2 years before the Wii U was ready

They abandoned the N64 in 2001 because the GBA was released and the Gamecube was on its way. If you have two new consoles with better tech and less limits it's clear that you as a game maker will try to make them a success. You're going to put all your resources into the better machines and hope your fans still want your games and buy it.

They abandoned the Gamecube in 2006 because the Nintendo DS was released and the Wii was on its way. If you have two new consoles with better tech and less limits it's clear that you as a game maker will try to make them a success. You're going to put all your resources into the better machines and hope your fans still want your games and buy it.

They abandoned the Wii in 2012 because the Nintendo 3DS was released and the Wii U was on its way. If you have two new consoles with better tech and less limits it's clear that you as a game maker will try to make them a success. You're going to put all your resources into the better machines and hope your fans still want your games and buy it.

You mean they abandoned the Wii around 2010.

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ferthepoet wrote:

Nintendo could support the Wii U to the end of time by cross subsidizing it with their handhelds, the question is will they? they are conservative company I can't just see keeping pumping money into a lost cause, if it doesn't start being profitable by Xmas 2014 I could see Nintendo giving up...... I mean they abandoned the N64, GameCube and the Wii the moment they stopped making money, in the case of the Wii they abandoned almost 2 years before the Wii U was ready

They're not a conservative company, they're risk takers. Microsoft and Sony are conservative, they'll only do something if they know it's a sure thing already. Same thing with most third party developers. Nintendo on the other hand come up with things that have everyone scratching their heads. Their success is that it pays off more often than not.

Also the N64 wasn't abandoned as you claim it was. They gave that thing a good 5 years of clear air before they moved onto the next thing. About the same amount of time they gave the Gamecube, the Wii and even the SNES and NES. The only console they've given longer than that was the GameBoy which had, arguably, a good ten years of support before its true successor the GBA. The only console they've ever abandoned was the Virtual Boy.

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You mean they abandoned the Wii around 2010.

Yeah, they "abandoned" it and then it got Skyward Sword, Wii Play Motion, Pandora's Tower, The Last Story, Rayman Origins, Xenoblade, Just Dances, The Conduit 2, Rhythm Heaven Fever, Skylanderses, FIFA, Disney Infinity....... and then a cut priced revision....

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Actually they stopped releasing games for it around the end of 2011. Skyward Sword, Kirby's Return to Dreamland, and Xenoblade all came out in 2011.

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Well they are conservative in how they use their money, as in not spending it to the ridiculous degrees of...basically everyone else publishing AAA software.

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@skywake

Nintendo is really conservative company, They just prioritize things different than Microsoft and Sony and all three have have good things and bad things about them. I'd say Nintendo imo is probably in the worst position of the three in terms of what I wanted them to focus on. Xbox Live is still probably the biggest change to the gaming Industry in the past 10 years or so.

Also your point about off screen/second screen gaming was wrong. Microsoft and Sony among others in the etch communities showed off both before the Wii U was announced

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kkslider5552000 wrote:

Well they are conservative in how they use their money, as in not spending it to the ridiculous degrees of...basically everyone else publishing AAA software.

They're "conservative" in the sense that they don't dump a platform that they've spent huge amounts or R&D on unless there's absolutely no hope at all. If the Wii U had sold <1mill units at this point then they'd be thinking about cutting their losses and looking at moving on in the next year. As it is it's doing ok-ish and there's plenty of reason to believe it'll be profitable even if it's not a smash hit. So they'll ride it out and milk it for all its worth.

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Nintendo is really conservative company, They just prioritize things different than Microsoft and Sony and all three have have good things and bad things about them. I'd say Nintendo imo is probably in the worst position of the three in terms of what I wanted them to focus on. Xbox Live is still probably the biggest change to the gaming Industry in the past 10 years or so.

Also your point about off screen/second screen gaming was wrong. Microsoft and Sony among others in the etch communities showed off both before the Wii U was announced

Xbox Live was extremely important in the last generation as it set the foundation for the rise of a variety of downloadable gaming content (well that and Steam), but I don't think it can quite compare to how much Nintendo opened the door for casual/non-gamers (for better or worse).

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Also your point about off screen/second screen gaming was wrong. Microsoft and Sony among others in the etch communities showed off both before the Wii U was announced

Nintendo was first to market and they bet everything on it. How is that conservative? Frankly I don't remember when Microsoft/Sony did their multi-screen stuff. I'm fairly sure it was at the same E3 Nintendo was first showing off the Wii U. At the very least you'll agree that their implementations before the Wii U had been optional and continue to be so.

edit: ok, Sony at E3 2006 and their PSP dealeo. Nintendo also had it on the Gamecube with four swords. So it's been in the works for a while but I stand by my general point. The Wii U is the first serious push of the idea.

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SKTTR wrote:

They abandoned the N64 in 2001 because the GBA was released and the Gamecube was on its way. If you have two new consoles with better tech and less limits it's clear that you as a game maker will try to make them a success. You're going to put all your resources into the better machines and hope your fans still want your games and buy it.

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But Nintendo needs to understand that abandoning a system isn't necessarily going to siphon users into the new system. You can't just cut off a large portion of the consumers who do business with you, and you can't just discontinue a line because something more technologically advanced is coming out. There will always be late adopters, gamers on smaller budgets, etc. The PS2 was still insanely popular for years after the PS3 was out.

On the other hand, the sale of Wiis died out greatly a few years back, and probably would have even if Nintendo continued to pump support into it. Let's face it, Wii Sports and Wii Fit were fads and accounted for most of the hardware's sales. That audience had since moved on, and Nintendo wasn't going to have a juggernaut on their hands like Sony did with the PS2. Nevertheless, Nintendo sells to a core audience, but they still need to keep that audience in mind every time they decide to prematurely discontinue their hardware. A lot of people don't have a Wii U yet, and aren't going to buy one just because the Wii is no longer available.

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@skywake @SCAR392

Hot Damn third party games on a system with a giant Marketshare catering to a more family audience. Third parties mean nothing when it comes to first party. Xbox 360 has a ton of third party support but all of Microsoft's interal studios are obviously focusing on Xbox One.

I kid I Kid.

I meant form an internal perspective that its obvious that Wii Development most likely ended in 2010 with focus going into 3DS and early Wii U tech demos.

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skywake wrote:

Sony_70 wrote:

Also your point about off screen/second screen gaming was wrong. Microsoft and Sony among others in the etch communities showed off both before the Wii U was announced

Nintendo was first to market and they bet everything on it. How is that conservative? Frankly I don't remember when Microsoft/Sony did their multi-screen stuff. I'm fairly sure it was at the same E3 Nintendo was first showing off the Wii U. At the very least you'll agree that their implementations before the Wii U had been optional and continue to be so.

Microsoft actually showed off dual screen gaming when the kinect first launch and Sony has had select remote play games for PSP/PS3 as well. I will agree that most were optional and we probably wouldn't be thinking about it otherwise.

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