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Topic: Nintendo could be forced to discontinue Wii U next year (They can't be serious)

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shingi_70

21. Posted:

Blastoise-san wrote:

@Sony_70 Put yourself in a Japanese developer shoes. Do you really see yourself jumping to the PS4 immediately or sticking with the PS3 (which is a Japanese game haven) and constantly making 3DS (which is also quickly becoming a haven for Japanese games)? I want you to honestly answer that.
I think is gonna be a good while until most Japanese developers start making legit games for PS4.
Heck, I bet Atlus is even trying to figure out if Persona 5 should be a cross gen game or a next gen game only.

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I'd do what japanese publishers are already starting to do since TGS, by making cross gen games. They've already decided and the fact that these guys are making PS3/PS4 titles says alot of what the Japanese Market plans to do console wise. Sony has made a pretty great eco system for Playstation and they want in it. I wouldn't be surprised next year if we slowly start to see more pubs push the Vita as well. (that was always going to happen tbh, pubs like money and in Japan 3ds is probably close to its saturation point).

Yakuza Ishin- PS3/PS4 (Sega)
Final Fantasy 14 a relam reborn- PS3/PS4 (Square)
Natural Doctrine- PS3/PS4/Vita ( Kadokawa Games Studio)
Guilty Gear Xrd- PS3/PS4 (
Dynasty Warriors 8: Xtreme Legends- PS3/PS4/Vita (Tecmo Koei)
Phantom Breaker: Battle Grounds Overdrive- PS4 (5pb)
Earth Defense Force- PS4/Vita (D3)

All of the big mainstream japanese publishers are going mutliplatform or Sony platform exclusives, while the smaller Japanese publishers are just staying sony exclusive in both instances the Wii U has no Major allies that aren't first party titles. The 3DS will continue to clean the Vita's clock (Vita will rise again but just like PSP to DS it won't touch the 3DS).

Persona 5 will totally be a cross gen game I figure. PS4/PS3 with either a Vita version at launch or a year or two from now. I would throw in the 360 but the JRPG market for anything thats not called Final Fantasy is dead.

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Guitardude7 wrote:

@FutureAlphaMale @uptownsoul

Alright, alright fine. You're right. Yes his information is a bit misinformed but at least his argument holds more ground than the Daily Finances article.

Also, Zelda U may come out this year. Unlikely yes, but still possible.

i agree that the arguments on all the rest are of sound logic. i just think the wii u reaching 9M, isnt going to happen by march 31, 2014

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23. Posted:

FutureAlphaMale wrote:

Guitardude7 wrote:

Conversely, here's a better written article that argues against this: http://aussie-gamer.com/article/nintendo-article/nintendo-won...

That article is just as bad and poorly researched, but I agree with his general sentiment that the Wii-U isn't toast yet.

-Argues that if the PS4 and Xbox are sold out at Xmas, people will automatically decide to get a Wii-U instead. Again, no.

i'd have to also agree with @FutureAlphaMale on ps4 and xbox selling out doesnt mean people will automatically decide to get wii u. we've seen the wii have huge sell outs all over in '06 into '07 and that didnt necessarily turn over to ps3/360 sales.

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therick112 wrote:

It seems that this dialogue happened with the Wii too, then Nintendo dropped a number of awesome exclusives and the haters had to re-focus their argument back to graphical power.

I've also gone to some stores which are sold out of the new hardware-software bundles, so I think Wii U is going to sneak into some living rooms this Christmas.

we had this dialogue happen with the wii? really? the wii sold 4.44M units in its first year. and the only reason why it didnt sell more was because it was always out of stock, demand was way larger than the supply. anybody who wants a wii u can go this very second and purchase one, so supply is greater than demand

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I don't think they will discontinue for the following reasons:

They have the cash to weather the storm
3ds is still selling well to support Wii U
Pride and ego.
Better titles coming out, making the system more appealing
They still have a lot of IP that they haven't even touched- Metroid, Kid Icarus, Star Fox etc.

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26. Posted:

I think its interesting that the same reasons the Wii U is doomed for failure aren't applied to PS4/XB1:

-price too high for consumers
-bad economy
-rise of smart phone/tablet gaming
-PS3/260 competition
-delayed games
-launch issues

Will be interesting to see how the PS4/XB1 sell post-launch. The initial surge will obviously be big, but will there be enough quality software in the following months to continue to push sales, a lot of the games are already available on PS3/360 and I'd be surprised if more powerful hardware is enough to convince people to pay 400-500 to play the same game.

I'd also be interested in seeing how many of these PS3/360 purchases have been in the past 2 years. Hard to see late adopters upgrading so quickly especially when the libraries for the PS3/360 are so huge and both will likely continue to see support for at least another 1-2 years. I'm sure a good chunk of the purchases were replacement systems but given the ridiculous price tag of the PS3 there are likely a lot of late adopters.

Of the 3 new consoles, the Wii U would seem to be the best value, thanks to the price cut and bundles released.

299.99 for 32 GB Wii U, NSMBU, NSLU. Add 3DW and a Wiimote and you are still under the cost of a PS4, and not even close to the cost of a XB1. Plus, for those that have their Wiis, all their games and peripherals are compatible with the system. Hard to beat that type of value.

One thing Nintendo could do is release bundles that include 3rd party games like Batman, AC4 and CoD. That may help increase sales for those games.

A Mario bundle also makes too much sense: 32 GB Wii U, NSMBU, 3D World and Red Mario Wiimote

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UTXGamer wrote:

I think its interesting that the same reasons the Wii U is doomed for failure aren't applied to PS4/XB1:

-price too high for consumers
-bad economy
-rise of smart phone/tablet gaming
-PS3/260 competition
-delayed games
-launch issues

Will be interesting to see how the PS4/XB1 sell post-launch. The initial surge will obviously be big, but will there be enough quality software in the following months to continue to push sales, a lot of the games are already available on PS3/360 and I'd be surprised if more powerful hardware is enough to convince people to pay 400-500 to play the same game.

I'd also be interested in seeing how many of these PS3/360 purchases have been in the past 2 years. Hard to see late adopters upgrading so quickly especially when the libraries for the PS3/360 are so huge and both will likely continue to see support for at least another 1-2 years. I'm sure a good chunk of the purchases were replacement systems but given the ridiculous price tag of the PS3 there are likely a lot of late adopters.

Of the 3 new consoles, the Wii U would seem to be the best value, thanks to the price cut and bundles released.

299.99 for 32 GB Wii U, NSMBU, NSLU. Add 3DW and a Wiimote and you are still under the cost of a PS4, and not even close to the cost of a XB1. Plus, for those that have their Wiis, all their games and peripherals are compatible with the system. Hard to beat that type of value.

One thing Nintendo could do is release bundles that include 3rd party games like Batman, AC4 and CoD. That may help increase sales for those games.

A Mario bundle also makes too much sense: 32 GB Wii U, NSMBU, 3D World and Red Mario Wiimote

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28. Posted:

So many conflicting emotions. On one hand I'm happy that Nintendo's arrogance is catching up to them and they're suffering because of it. On the other hand, I feel sorry for Nintendo fans that have to constantly deal with being told their favorite company sucks at the moment.

It's like a redneck father that gets jail time for drunk driving. You're happy because he totally had it coming, but sad because now his wife has to take care of their eleven little redneck children all on her own.

It's totally like that.

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29. Posted:

@UTXGamer:

Will be interesting to see how the PS4/XB1 sell post-launch. The initial surge will obviously be big, but will there be enough quality software in the following months to continue to push sales,

“This is a marathon, not a sprint, but getting out to a nice start is a good thing to do,” the SCEA president told Business Week, responding to estimates suggesting that it will sell three million PS4s by the end of the year. “That hurdle has been cleared. We’re very, very confident that we’re in great shape.”

Sony's got the software to keep the momentum going, the public will start seeing PlayStation4 game announcements from the 14th November and onwards. Going into December developers like Naughty Dog with be showing there PS4 games, there are a lot of games in development both exclusive & 3rd party games for the PlayStation4 so software is not a problem. The PS3 has a massive install base some people are ready for the PS4, others are waiting until after xmas for some games thay want. Late adopters will move on after a price drop or once the PS3 is no longer supported. Just like the price debate of the PS4 which lots where worng about i don't see the PS4 selling poorly after launch, obviously the systems are not going to just keep flying off the shelf. I think the PS4 will do will this gen, i don't think the Wii U is a flop i think it'll do well overtime i think some people are waiting for the games thay want but saying that i don't see it selling like the Wii did. Anyway these are two different systems that appeal to different types of gamers, some people will own two systems anyway or even all three as long as your happy with your console/consoles who gives a **** because i know i don't.

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30. Posted:

UTXGamer wrote:

Of the 3 new consoles, the Wii U would seem to be the best value, thanks to the price cut and bundles released.

299.99 for 32 GB Wii U, NSMBU, NSLU. Add 3DW and a Wiimote and you are still under the cost of a PS4, and not even close to the cost of a XB1. Plus, for those that have their Wiis, all their games and peripherals are compatible with the system. Hard to beat that type of value.

One thing Nintendo could do is release bundles that include 3rd party games like Batman, AC4 and CoD. That may help increase sales for those games.

A Mario bundle also makes too much sense: 32 GB Wii U, NSMBU, 3D World and Red Mario Wiimote

i agree, it seems like nintendo is willing to give away the whole wii u library if a person will just buy the console.

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31. Posted:

AlexSays wrote:

So many conflicting emotions. On one hand I'm happy that Nintendo's arrogance is catching up to them and they're suffering because of it. On the other hand, I feel sorry for Nintendo fans that have to constantly deal with being told their favorite company sucks at the moment.

It's like a redneck father that gets jail time for drunk driving. You're happy because he totally had it coming, but sad because now his wife has to take care of their eleven little redneck children all on her own.

It's totally like that.

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I ain't no piddly redneck kid, ya uppity rough talker.

Did I write that right?

Yay for stereotypes.

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UTXGamer wrote:

I think its interesting that the same reasons the Wii U is doomed for failure aren't applied to PS4/XB1:

-price too high for consumers
-bad economy
-rise of smart phone/tablet gaming
-PS3/260 competition
-delayed games
-launch issues

Will be interesting to see how the PS4/XB1 sell post-launch. The initial surge will obviously be big, but will there be enough quality software in the following months to continue to push sales, a lot of the games are already available on PS3/360 and I'd be surprised if more powerful hardware is enough to convince people to pay 400-500 to play the same game.

I'd also be interested in seeing how many of these PS3/360 purchases have been in the past 2 years. Hard to see late adopters upgrading so quickly especially when the libraries for the PS3/360 are so huge and both will likely continue to see support for at least another 1-2 years. I'm sure a good chunk of the purchases were replacement systems but given the ridiculous price tag of the PS3 there are likely a lot of late adopters.

Of the 3 new consoles, the Wii U would seem to be the best value, thanks to the price cut and bundles released.

299.99 for 32 GB Wii U, NSMBU, NSLU. Add 3DW and a Wiimote and you are still under the cost of a PS4, and not even close to the cost of a XB1. Plus, for those that have their Wiis, all their games and peripherals are compatible with the system. Hard to beat that type of value.

One thing Nintendo could do is release bundles that include 3rd party games like Batman, AC4 and CoD. That may help increase sales for those games.

A Mario bundle also makes too much sense: 32 GB Wii U, NSMBU, 3D World and Red Mario Wiimote

The difference is that Sony and to a degree MS have more money and marketing savy to keep thing moving. On top of that they have better relationships with developers to get the games and hype to convice people to commit.

So the main reason it is a neg for Nintendo and not the others is that they have shown a no prisoners, win at almost all costs type of approach to succeed, where as Nintendo does not show that mentality. So effectively Nintendo is being out huistled and they have gone as far as to say they don't care. That doesn't instill confidence.

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tebunker wrote:

The difference is that Sony and to a degree MS have more money and marketing savy to keep thing moving. On top of that they have better relationships with developers to get the games and hype to convice people to commit.

In reality, these 2 sentences are basically the exact same.

Normally I wouldn't explain but:
1. Relationships with devs tend to mean "they paid them lots of money to get games".
2. Probably goes without saying but marketing and hype, especially for gaming, are just the same thing. E3 especially is pratically just a giant advertisement at the end of the day.

though marketing savy is sometimes questionable considering how many games have failed to make money, often blamed on marketing costing too much, while Nintendo can make a stupid cheesy ad that sells a billion units of Wii Play for some reason.

Your points are very valid nonetheless.

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Actually Sony and Microsoft would hurt a lot if either system failed. Not to mention Sony's been hurting from their other divisions.

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38. Posted:

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Actually Sony and Microsoft would hurt a lot if either system failed. Not to mention Sony's been hurting from their other divisions.

If Ps4 somehow even has similar issues to Wii U, Sony's in legit trouble. Like not their console is ignored trouble, more like Sony could be gone if they don't turn things around trouble (though even that's unlikely imo...)

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Sony has no money without splitting up the company. It is big but it is failing across almost everything. (Even the PS3 would be considered a failure if the results of it were known). That is why they decided to give away all their games for £5 a month only time you do that is if you are desperate.

Microsoft has loads of money (They could put the xbone at £150 if they wanted and more than offset it with the January price rise).

Nintendo has plenty of money and more importantly isn't reckless with it.

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Nintendo could support the Wii U to the end of time by cross subsidizing it with their handhelds, the question is will they? they are conservative company I can't just see keeping pumping money into a lost cause, if it doesn't start being profitable by Xmas 2014 I could see Nintendo giving up...... I mean they abandoned the N64, GameCube and the Wii the moment they stopped making money, in the case of the Wii they abandoned almost 2 years before the Wii U was ready

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