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CanisWolfred

41. Posted:

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And as others have said, other companies have released their games on IOS and done well. Rockstar for example has their GTA games on IOS, but also sells millions of copies of their other GTA games on PSN/Steam/Consoles as well.

Sony doing it surprised me, but they're the only console maker doing it, and I still don't think it's a good move even for them. They have mobile Phones and tablets, but now who is going to buy them? What they're basically saying is that if you wait long enough, you'll eventually get our games on stuff you already have. It's stupid.

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42. Posted:

Saw an opinion piece from Ben Kuchera where he suggested a Netflix-like service for VC games. Not sure how that would help sell the system to people who haven't gotten one yet, but it's an interesting idea.

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Hopefully changing business strategy means being able to add friends and pm friends freely on both Wii U and 3DS, advertising, and investment in indie and smaller 3rd party devs. I really don't think this is asking for much.

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SCAR392 wrote:

CanisWolfred wrote:

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It would cheapen the brand. The point of Nintendo consoles is to own Nintendo games. You don't see Sony or Microsoft games on iOS now do you? Granted, they have their own proprietary Phones, but Nintendo has its own proprietary mobile device as well: The 3DS.

Ratchet and Clank has a game on mobile. PS Now will be on plenty of non-Sony devices, so... You'll be able to play The Last of Us on your tablet, via a PS Now app. I think what Nintendo would do is create an Android tablet. They've been pushing the idea of tablets lately (like that rabbit in miiverse) and it will help the stock. Just an android tablet with a dedicated app.

I don't think Nintendo should do that, though.

EDIT: Also, Windows Phone and Surface/Windows tablets are basically Microsoft's portable consoles. Halo is on Surface.

This is interesting and it's probably what Nintendo will be looking at. Unfortunately, Nintendo doesn't have any portable phones/tablets like Microsoft and Sony have, which balances their loss of console sells.

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Reggie needs to address the North American markets to stop the bleeding, this Iwata announcement has come across as more doom n gloom. The company needs a nine run homer (DQx) to even make a dent.

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46. Posted:

CanisWolfred wrote:

JohnRedcorn wrote:

And as others have said, other companies have released their games on IOS and done well. Rockstar for example has their GTA games on IOS, but also sells millions of copies of their other GTA games on PSN/Steam/Consoles as well.

Sony doing it surprised me, but they're the only console maker doing it, and I still don't think it's a good move even for them. They have mobile Phones and tablets, but now who is going to buy them? What they're basically saying is that if you wait long enough, you'll eventually get our games on stuff you already have. It's stupid.

Again, there is not a single console gamer on earth who owns an ipad, who would EVER chose the ipad version over the console version.

"Hmmm...GTA5 just came out on 360....should I buy it now to play on my 55 inch tv with online play and a controller, or wait 24 months for it to come out on my iPad for $15?" <---- thought no one ever.

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The problem with Nintendo is that they are out of touch with reality. Consoles need to be made and marketed towards a mature audience. Leave the 3DS/handhelds for the kids. Nintendo is actually in the position right now to dominate the market if they were to release a console within the next 3-5 yrs. What Nintendo needs to do is make a console that DIRECTLY competes or SUPERIOR to that of the PS4/Xbox One when it comes to the software and hardware and also stay ahead of the curve and be the first console to have the ability to output in 4K/Ultra HD resolution. If they do this they will be a step ahead of the current next-gen consoles. There current library of games is great, my only advice will be that they need to start making some of their IP's a little more mature oriented like Zelda for example. They also need to stop with the gimmicks and just release a regular controller.You can't try to be innovative just for the sake of it. Lastly, 3rd party support will be key to Nintendo's dominance. If Nintendo can just emulate and achieve the same thing they did with the SNES they will give Sony and Microsoft a run for their money

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But they don't want just "The gamers", though. The only reason to do such a thing is to get the casuals. And it'll hurt more than help in that category, since believe it or not, most of them probably aren't stupid enough to think "Gee, I've been playing fun Nintendo games on my Phone for a couple of bucks! I can't wait to spend hundreds of dollars on Nintendo products, despite the fact that I'm already getting their games on my phone for chump change!" No. Those people don't need the big game experiences Nintendo normally provides, and the ones who do need them don't need a phone game to convince them. They just need good marketing, and good games they can't get anywhere else.

Yes, 3rd parties can do that. They aren't forcing people to invest hundreds of dollars for their games. Nintendo is. Microsoft is. And Sony should, but it seems they've given up.

If Nintendo does anything mobile, it should be non-game apps. There's no problem with that, because they'd basically just be for advertising.

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49. Posted:

It's a good thing that internet forum whiners don't run multi billion dollar companies ;)

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50. Posted:

Now Mr. Iwata has stated the following:
"The way people use their time, their lifestyles, who they are have changed. If we stay in one place, we will become outdated." - Satoru Iwata

Source:http://gonintendo.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=131080

I wish they would give us some insight on what they are planning before the investors conference.

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51. Posted:

CanisWolfred wrote:

And it'll hurt more than help in that category, since believe it or not, most of them probably aren't stupid enough to think "Gee, I've been playing fun Nintendo games on my Phone for a couple of bucks! I can't wait to spend hundreds of dollars on Nintendo products, despite the fact that I'm already getting their games on my phone for chump change!".

You aren't getting it. Nintendo isn't going to release Wii-U or 3DS titles on the iPhone. If you want that experience, you need to own the system. A casual gamer isn't going to buy a Wii-U just to play VC NES games. They will, however, buy NES Mario games on their iPhone for $2. As will many people who already own the NES Mario games on the Wii, 3DS, and Wii-U VC.

You want to play the console games? Buy the system. You want to play a 25 year old NES game for $2 and have no interest in console gaming? Download the IOS version. Nintendo fans are suckers, with many people buying the EXACT same games across multiple consoles (NES, GBA, Wii VC, 3DS VC, etc), so why wouldn't some of them double or triple dip again and pick up a cheap IOS download for $2 as well? It doesn't hurt Nintendo in anyway, especially when it comes to "lost" console sales.

Anyone who's Nintendo itch is scratched by owning 4 NES IOS games for $8 was never in the market to be a current Nintendo console owner anyway.

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52. Posted:

JohnRedcorn wrote:

CanisWolfred wrote:

And it'll hurt more than help in that category, since believe it or not, most of them probably aren't stupid enough to think "Gee, I've been playing fun Nintendo games on my Phone for a couple of bucks! I can't wait to spend hundreds of dollars on Nintendo products, despite the fact that I'm already getting their games on my phone for chump change!".

You aren't getting it. Nintendo isn't going to release Wii-U or 3DS titles on the iPhone. If you want that experience, you need to own the system. A casual gamer isn't going to buy a Wii-U just to play VC NES games. They will, however, buy NES Mario games on their iPhone for $2. As will many people who already own the NES Mario games on the Wii, 3DS, and Wii-U VC.

You want to play the console games? Buy the system. You want to play a 25 year old NES game for $2 and have no interest in console gaming? Download the IOS version. Nintendo fans are suckers, with many people buying the EXACT same games across multiple consoles (NES, GBA, Wii VC, 3DS VC, etc), so why wouldn't some of them double or triple dip again and pick up a cheap IOS download for $2 as well? It doesn't hurt Nintendo in anyway, especially when it comes to "lost" console sales.

Anyone who's Nintendo itch is scratched by owning 4 NES IOS games for $8 was never in the market to be a current Nintendo console owner anyway.

What I don't get is what exactly does releasing vc titles on ios fix for nintendo? Like you said people who get their "Nintendo itch" scratched by a couple of ios games aren't going to run out and buy the latest nintendo console so long term I don't see any benefit for them doing it. Sure they will earn a bit more money( though not much for $2 a game) but its not like they're low on money. They currently have $10 billion in reserve. Nintendo isn't looking for a short term money solutions, they're looking for loyal customers who will continue to buy their systems and games for years to come.

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53. Posted:

sonicfan1373 wrote:

Now Mr. Iwata has stated the following:
"The way people use their time, their lifestyles, who they are have changed. If we stay in one place, we will become outdated." - Satoru Iwata

Source:http://gonintendo.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=131080

I wish they would give us some insight on what they are planning before the investors conference.

That quote sure sounds like a company who's about to drop home consoles and go portable only... EEEEK

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I cannot see Nintendo releasing their games on mobile platforms, but what they have discussed in the past with Miiverse apps and eShop purchasing via web/mobile should be prioritised. I know I'd use Miiverse a lot more if it were easier on the go. The web front-end is okay, but it doesn't alert you about updates. A real time chat function to make it a more fully-functional Nintendo-based social networking tool is also in order. You already have parental controls to address concerns about that stuff so open it up for the teens.

I cannot see how they can replace existing hardware without alienating their core base. There is no way I'm buying another games console only a few years after getting this one. Doing like Sony and Microsoft and releasing an Intel PC with a joypad isn't the answer; I do think that the game console's days are numbered or it's going to be a more niche product.

If Nintendo is figuring the days of selling 100 million white boxes you connect to your tv are gone then they need to make more money off software. Maybe they're thinking of introducing a broader subscription model like they had back when the Famicom disk system launched. You can see tentative steps in this direction with Wii Sports Club and the Karaoke app. I don't know if anyone else is doing the surveys to get more coins/stars, but one of the questions that pops up regularly is "how much do you think this game is worth?" - a potential gauge of what that subscription price could be? My Wii U is always online and it's got standby mode enabled for auto-update. I probably spend between £20-50/month on Wii U software at the moment - depends on if there's a major release out I want. If Nintendo offered to let me play whatever I wanted for say £50/month that would be worth it - third parties could be offered terms to get a share based upon playtime of their titles rather than having to worry about selling their games directly to people which would make front page space on the eShop less relevant.

I don't know how likely that is, but certainly I think acquiring other studios to increase their share of exclusive content (Koei-Tecmo and Sega jump to mind) would be a minimum.

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Maybe Nintendo also need to "westernize", in the sense that they give more power to Nintendo of America. They are based in Seattle, a tech savvy city with amazon and microsoft up there. They would know how to make a Miiverse app for phones, and how to do better online integration. They are in better touch with the western market, which is where Nintendo seems to be struggling.

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56. Posted:

sonicfan1373 wrote:

Now Mr. Iwata has stated the following:
"The way people use their time, their lifestyles, who they are have changed. If we stay in one place, we will become outdated." - Satoru Iwata

Source:http://gonintendo.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=131080

I wish they would give us some insight on what they are planning before the investors conference.

He also said that Nintendo misread the markets and hadn't issued "the appropriate instructions." He understands that the company must change and "propose something that surprises our customers."

http://nintendoeverything.com/iwata-says-the-way-people-use-t...

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Tritonus wrote:

Maybe Nintendo also need to "westernize", in the sense that they give more power to Nintendo of America. They are based in Seattle, a tech savvy city with amazon and microsoft up there. They would know how to make a Miiverse app for phones, and how to do better online integration. They are in better touch with the western market, which is where Nintendo seems to be struggling.

More than that they need to bolster their development staff with opening more studios in the western territories of America and Europe. It says alot when you compare the development Studios owned by each of the big three,

Sony Worldwide Studios

North America
Naughty Dog
Sony Santa Monica
Sony San Deigo
Sony Bend
Sony Foster City
Sucker Punch

Asia
Japan Studio
Team Ico
Project Siren
Polyphony Digital

Europe
London Studio
Evolution Studios
Guerrilla Games
Guerrilla Cambridge
Media Molecule

Microsoft Studios

North America
343 Industries
Good Science Studio
Team Dakota
Turn 10 Studios
Twisted Pixel
Xbox Entertainment Studios
BigPark
Black Tusk Studios
Europe
Lionhead
Lift London
Press Play
Soho Productions
Rare

Asia
Microsoft Studios Osaka

Now compare that to Nintendo

Asia
EAD
SPD
1-up Studio
Hal Laboratory
Creatures Inc
Intellgent Systems
Nd Cube
Monolith Soft

[/b]North America[/b]
NST
Retro Studios

The worst thing Nintendo did was to not set up more studios in the western Markets after the N64 and Gamecube era pretty much killed all hype they had. It a shame that their current western studios aren't being used to their full potential.

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58. Posted:

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo................

1 more go in 2015 with actual competitive hardware this time. Make it like Gamecube in that you spend almost your whole budget on silicon, traditional controller (say Gamecube with a bigger D-pad, clickable Wii U analogs,longer handles, and another Z bumper.) Hell, top-loader for discs, see if anyone cares. Make it easy for 3rd parties to develop for (x86 with excellent documentation) and even more powerful than PS4, as powerful as you can make it without losing too much on it. It's all about the games, launch it with a new 3D exploration Mario, as much third-party support as you can and new games in other popular franchises coming out at launch and throughout the next year.

The dedicated handheld market keeps contracting.... the home console market is far more stagnant and sustainable.

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59. Posted:

WhereEaglesDare wrote:

The dedicated handheld market keeps contracting.... the home console market is far more stagnant and sustainable.

Japan and Apple/Google say hello. Also, being stagnant is not a good thing.

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60. Posted:

@aliengod has a lot of the right ideas. Here some key things I think Nintendo can do to start seeing more success, some of these others have mentioned as well.

1. Drop price of the Wii U. $50 should help boost the install base enough to make money on games even if you're losing it on the console. A $60 game probably has about $50 in profit in it for Nintendo (not counting development). Selling just one extra game should make up for any losses on the console sale. The last thing you want to do is release blockbuster games that achieve huge 40% attach rates and sell 2.5M total units. That doesn't work.

2. Allow more mature titles to be put on your consoles. Don't push away titles like GTA V just because it doesn't have an E rating.

3. DO NOT release a Nintendo tablet. All this will do is cannibalize sales of both the Wii U and the 3DS. Also, people don't really want gaming tablets. Several companies have tried, they don't sell. Games that map physical controller buttons onto a touch screen are not fun to play, we've all tried it.

4. DO NOT sell Nintendo IP software via android and ios. The average 3DS game retails for $40, the average mobile game sells for $1. There's no way to bridge that gap without really watering down games and destroying the profitability of the 3DS.

3. DO release a Virtual Console subscription service. It's a no-brainer. $10 a month, all the NES and SNES games you can want. Once they get more N64 and more advanced games, include them as maybe a $15 price.

4. Develop a new UI for the Wii U that does look like it's 10 years old. Also, develop better online integration, taking some tips from Microsoft and Sony. Add things like system wide achievements and friend lists.

5. Stop marketing towards 8 year olds, they don't have money to buy things. 18 to 35 is where the disposable income is. I'm in my 20's. I feel weird playing some games on the Wii because they are marketed exclusively to children. I can't even use the Miiverse because I feel like I'm in a chat room with little kids. It's creepy.

Long Term

6. Stop building under-powered devices. Even the 3DS has a painfully low resolution screen and is significantly under-powered. Basic smartphones today can be purchased for around $130 contract-free and come with dual core processors and 1+GB of RAM. Console lives are 5+ years, if you release something that already has outdated technology, it's only going to be more apparent as time goes on. If you compare a 3DS screen to that of a galaxy S4, it's a joke.

7. Invest heavily in the development of a new home console. It seems to me that consoles today should actually be easier than consoles back in the 80's and 90's. Back then, you were inventing the technology, you were trying to take games that only existed in huge arcade cabinets, and getting them to run on a little cartridge inside a little box. Today, the 8th generation consoles by Sony and Microsoft are little more than a PC in a plastic box that hooks up to your TV.

8. Release a new home console in 2016. You are in a great position timing wise to completely blow the XOne and PS4 out of the water. Release something in 2016 that is more powerful, can support 4K output, uses normal controllers with analog triggers, etc. If they do want to stick with the touch screen controller, OK, but make the screen much smaller, maybe 4.5 in, and allow you to use more than one. It shouldn't even need to stream the game directly to the controller unless you are exclusively using off-tv play. Otherwise, just use it for maps, inventory, etc.

I have lots more, but this is getting long...

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