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I'm talking the gamcube. Having to hold down a b button to aim was annoying in the first metroid prime.

I think it was great. It is an adventure and not a shooter and the aim function was necessary for the gameplay.

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Lately any game with more than 10 fans is considered overrated, even if it was considered underrated ten minutes ago.

Pretty much, the term gets thrown around too much just as many others do. Its pretty much a catch-all for anything people don't quite get the appeal of these days, if enough people like it but someone doesn't its automatically over-rated.

I don't think its over-rated. Are there games that look better or do what Metroid Prime does better? Yea, but that doesn't mean they aren't good games in their own right. Its unrealistic to assume something can't be surpassed but that doesn't mean its objectively worse when it is. They're old games but that doesn't mean they're not great examples of games on their respective platforms, you wouldn't hesitate to recommend them to somebody would you? Even the best games have their faults after all.

I wouldn't say every game aged gracefully but most games that don't shoot for photo-realism or use more artistic art styles do age really well, they don't have high-resolutions or fancy graphical affects but they still look pretty nice. Especially when you consider when they were made. Would you really expect a game from 2002 to look as impressive as one from .2013?

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gaming_24_7 wrote:

Sony_70 wrote:

I'm talking the gamcube. Having to hold down a b button to aim was annoying in the first metroid prime.

I think it was great. It is an adventure and not a shooter and the aim function was necessary for the gameplay.

Eh it was annoying to me. (probably didn't help I was playing Halo at the same time). I much prefer the Wii version of the first for this.

Were probably going to be arguing semantics. I mean arguably every FPS is inherently a FPA. (first person games when your on a adventure.)

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I think Metroid Prime actually lives up to a lot of the praise it gets, but it isn't a game for everyone. The atmosphere and exploration are done exceptionally well and it really draws you into the world of Tallon IV. I can't say too much about Echoes or Corruption since I haven't beaten either, but the original Prime is one of my all time favorite games. I could see how it wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea, but I don't think that makes it overrated.

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gaming_24_7 wrote:

Sony_70 wrote:

I'm talking the gamcube. Having to hold down a b button to aim was annoying in the first metroid prime.

I think it was great. It is an adventure and not a shooter and the aim function was necessary for the gameplay.

Eh it was annoying to me. (probably didn't help I was playing Halo at the same time). I much prefer the Wii version of the first for this.

Were probably going to be arguing semantics. I mean arguably every FPS is inherently a FPA. (first person games when your on a adventure.)

I think the thing I see it as is that most first person shooters are mostly (if not practically entirely) based on shooting, while the Prime games (at least the first 2) are action adventure titles that just happen to be done in the style of FPS. Calling it an FPS is like calling Mass Effect a 3rd person shooter, correct yet ENTIRELY missing the point of why people like the game.

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You know what's overrated? People's opinions, especially on games. Seriously though, like you said the first game was brilliant and new, but how does that make the other 2 overrated? They are a continuation of the first one, it's called a trilogy for a reason. I thought they were all very good games myself.
The second game was a bit like how Majora's mask was to Ocarina. Same mechanics etc but totally different feel.

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Sony_70 wrote:

gaming_24_7 wrote:

Sony_70 wrote:

I'm talking the gamcube. Having to hold down a b button to aim was annoying in the first metroid prime.

I think it was great. It is an adventure and not a shooter and the aim function was necessary for the gameplay.

Eh it was annoying to me. (probably didn't help I was playing Halo at the same time). I much prefer the Wii version of the first for this.

Were probably going to be arguing semantics. I mean arguably every FPS is inherently a FPA. (first person games when your on a adventure.)

I think the thing I see it as is that most first person shooters are mostly (if not practically entirely) based on shooting, while the Prime games (at least the first 2) are action adventure titles that just happen to be done in the style of FPS. Calling it an FPS is like calling Mass Effect a 3rd person shooter, correct yet ENTIRELY missing the point of why people like the game.

This entirely. Forget about my post :p

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I think the first game of the series was the best. I couldn't stand the second one, so I never played it for more than 2 hours. The 3rd one was technically the best, but the stuff going on in the game wasn't as interesing as the first.

I had already played them on GCN and wasn't going to pay $50(I decided not to pre-order) to buy the Trilogy, so why would I pay $85 for the Trilogy on Wii, now? I got 3 when it came out, and I already had the first 2 and played them enough to know I didn't need to buy them again.

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MP3's pointer controls were mind blowing to the genre itself, and the realistic fluid 1:1 movements of Samus's arm cannon(which you can't get with twin stick controls) was extremely impressive where as the analog stick controls in the original gave samsus's arm cannon clunky tank like robotic animation. I could never go back to MP's analog stick aiming for the GCN. I can't believe i actually even put up with it in the first place. Back then, i remember it being a complete love/hate relationship.

If anything, the first Prime is the greatest representation of what metroid is, it's almost the perfect transition into 3D. I need to get the wii trilogy just so i can experience Prime 1 again with pointer controls and finally play the 2nd...whch i'll probably hold off on. Seems like more of the same...But worse based on ze' super slew of internet weviews. :*

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Get out. Now.

Of course the first one was the best for you because you didn't have any expectations. I started with Echoes and I absolutely loved the game, I have better memories of echoes than of the first iteration and I think WAY more was added than "just a dark world". The problem with these kinds of things is that the moment you play something new, you don't know what to expect.
I think the series isn't praised enought for the fact that is had a great overall consistancy in terms of quality. over time we came to expect more from the series and that's what kills the experience and makes you think the games were worse. As for the control scheme, within what was doable with the gamecube controller without losing the metroid feel, they've done terrific. Seeing these three games as individual games instead of a series, they're all amazing and the fact that all of them were utter amazing makes me think the series isn't praised enough, it's a wonderful series that sets the bar immensely high for itself.

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I bet @Varia01 would be mad about this thread....

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kkslider5552000 wrote:

Sony_70 wrote:

gaming_24_7 wrote:

Sony_70 wrote:

I'm talking the gamcube. Having to hold down a b button to aim was annoying in the first metroid prime.

I think it was great. It is an adventure and not a shooter and the aim function was necessary for the gameplay.

Eh it was annoying to me. (probably didn't help I was playing Halo at the same time). I much prefer the Wii version of the first for this.

Were probably going to be arguing semantics. I mean arguably every FPS is inherently a FPA. (first person games when your on a adventure.)

I think the thing I see it as is that most first person shooters are mostly (if not practically entirely) based on shooting, while the Prime games (at least the first 2) are action adventure titles that just happen to be done in the style of FPS. Calling it an FPS is like calling Mass Effect a 3rd person shooter, correct yet ENTIRELY missing the point of why people like the game.

This entirely. Forget about my post :p

actually now that I think about it, a closer comparison would be Portal. TECHNICALLY, you shoot in first person...you shoot portals but you still have a gun that shoots a thing but no one considers that a first person shooter. Basically, somewhere between Portal and Bioshock is where you'd find Metroid Prime.

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33. Posted:

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Morphtorok wrote:

Lately any game with more than 10 fans is considered overrated, even if it was considered underrated ten minutes ago.

Pretty much, the term gets thrown around too much just as many others do. Its pretty much a catch-all for anything people don't quite get the appeal of these days, if enough people like it but someone doesn't its automatically over-rated.

I don't think its over-rated. Are there games that look better or do what Metroid Prime does better? Yea, but that doesn't mean they aren't good games in their own right. Its unrealistic to assume something can't be surpassed but that doesn't mean its objectively worse when it is. They're old games but that doesn't mean they're not great examples of games on their respective platforms, you wouldn't hesitate to recommend them to somebody would you? Even the best games have their faults after all.

I wouldn't say every game aged gracefully but most games that don't shoot for photo-realism or use more artistic art styles do age really well, they don't have high-resolutions or fancy graphical affects but they still look pretty nice. Especially when you consider when they were made. Would you really expect a game from 2002 to look as impressive as one from .2013?

I know what overrated means, and I'm not just throwing it around blindly. I don't know if everyone read my original post, but I LOVE Prime one and two, and the series as a whole. I have no problems with controls, I don't really care about the environments, and I'm definitely not comparing this to other FPS'. I'm comparing it to other Series progressions, other Nintendo series around that time, and other Metroid Games. There was hardly anything wrong with Prime , Echoes was perfectly fine, but I just feel the series went nowhere. I just feel mostly that people praise Retro for being a fantastic company, and compare it to other companies. We barely have an Idea what this company is about when they've only really made Prime and DKCR. Also @Longforgotten you say "they are a series" they are supposed to be similar, yah they are, but not all series stay exactly the same for three games. I love Retro, and I can't wait to see what they do next, but I just feel the Prime games get slightly more praise than they deserve as a whole.

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Honestly the Prime sequels are pretty normal examples of Nintendo sequels. And yes they're similar in a lot of ways (arguable for 3) but every change that does often makes it a very different game in how you go through it. If they didn't, there wouldn't be opinions about different games in a series. While you can go too far with sameyness, Prime series is not one of them unless every sequel needs to be vastly different from the previous game (see: Final Fantasy and almost no other major gaming series ever). It kinda annoys me when people assume a game with a lot of similarities can't possibly be different. Skyward Sword especially comes to mind, like people who complained about that game being samey haven't a clue.

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Aside from being blown away by MP3's amazing pointer controls, this was my reaction the first time i ripped off a canister or door hinge when using the nunchuck as a grapple > :O I've honestly never cared too much for the first person genre be it on PC or using twin stick controls over my 24 years of gaming, only until 2007 when this game introduced pointer controls to the genre itself. now I'm a believer, ya dig?

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gaming_24_7 wrote:

Sony_70 wrote:

I'm talking the gamcube. Having to hold down a b button to aim was annoying in the first metroid prime.

I think it was great. It is an adventure and not a shooter and the aim function was necessary for the gameplay.

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gaming_24_7 wrote:

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I'm talking the gamcube. Having to hold down a b button to aim was annoying in the first metroid prime.

I think it was great. It is an adventure and not a shooter and the aim function was necessary for the gameplay.

Problem does not equal solution.

To be fair, it used the R button, not the B button, if I recall correctly.

It was kind of an issue, I guess. There weren't many times you had to aim up in combat, though.

You were supposed to lock onto every enemy, anyway. Manual aiming was for puzzle solving most of the time.

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BandG wrote:

Zombie_Barioth wrote:

Morphtorok wrote:

Lately any game with more than 10 fans is considered overrated, even if it was considered underrated ten minutes ago.

Pretty much, the term gets thrown around too much just as many others do. Its pretty much a catch-all for anything people don't quite get the appeal of these days, if enough people like it but someone doesn't its automatically over-rated.

I don't think its over-rated. Are there games that look better or do what Metroid Prime does better? Yea, but that doesn't mean they aren't good games in their own right. Its unrealistic to assume something can't be surpassed but that doesn't mean its objectively worse when it is. They're old games but that doesn't mean they're not great examples of games on their respective platforms, you wouldn't hesitate to recommend them to somebody would you? Even the best games have their faults after all.

I wouldn't say every game aged gracefully but most games that don't shoot for photo-realism or use more artistic art styles do age really well, they don't have high-resolutions or fancy graphical affects but they still look pretty nice. Especially when you consider when they were made. Would you really expect a game from 2002 to look as impressive as one from .2013?

I know what overrated means, and I'm not just throwing it around blindly. I don't know if everyone read my original post, but I LOVE Prime one and two, and the series as a whole. I have no problems with controls, I don't really care about the environments, and I'm definitely not comparing this to other FPS'. I'm comparing it to other Series progressions, other Nintendo series around that time, and other Metroid Games. There was hardly anything wrong with Prime , Echoes was perfectly fine, but I just feel the series went nowhere. I just feel mostly that people praise Retro for being a fantastic company, and compare it to other companies. We barely have an Idea what this company is about when they've only really made Prime and DKCR. Also @Longforgotten you say "they are a series" they are supposed to be similar, yah they are, but not all series stay exactly the same for three games. I love Retro, and I can't wait to see what they do next, but I just feel the Prime games get slightly more praise than they deserve as a whole.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply you don't know what over-rated means. I was only agreeing with Morphtorok on how its one of those words that get thrown around way too much. Those that do know what it means and use it correctly end up lumped together with everyone else.

I don't think the sequels not living up to the hype and expectations of its predecessor makes them or the series over-rated. Its hard to be completely original while living up to certain standards and not everyone will like every game in the series, but that doesn't make the collective whole any worse. Every fanbase is usually split on what the best and worst games are even if they agree on certain ones, I think that right there shows something isn't over-rated. Its generally those who don't understand what they're talking about very much that shout over-rated and things of the nature.

As for Retro as a whole (I actually almost typed Rare that time XD), I'd say they're proving themselves to be a pretty good company. I wouldn't exactly put them up there with 90s-Rare or Squaresoft/Square Enix but they're showing a lot of potential. Now if only Nintendo would let them do their own thing for once.

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I respectfully disagree. The Prime series is arguably the best of the franchise. All 3 of the games' gameplay, music, graphics, etc. hold up extremly well, especially Prime 1; being over a decade old, and the models, environments, effects, etc. all still look great.

While I had to force myself to beat Prime 2 (hate looking for those keys...) the game still is one of the more unique entries the the series. I have yet to beat it a second time though.

Prime 3 is my personal favotite of the trilogy and is still the best looking Wii title I've played. "It's a cinematic Metroid done right" as I've said many times before.

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The environments were still very Bland, and don't think "Metroid has always had bland environments", probably because of graphical limitations. This game was a huge letdown for me because it was also very linear, some boring/tedious missions, and it tried to force me into caring about the other hunters, when I didn't even know them.

This can all easily be applied to Other M; except just replace "hunters" with "Federation soldiers."

Also Prime 3 isn't linear.

Sure for the first few hours, your objectives are pretty straighforward. But you are given the option to do them right away; you can explore, look for items, or go to another planet if you want.

Other M is the definition of linear. The game pretty much plays itself.

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There was a better metroidvania FPS that was released on the Saturn in 1996... It is Still better then anything on PS360 ;)

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