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It's not that PS4 necessarily lacks substance, though it certainly doesn't live up to what it claims were you to objectively compare the console to what people have been saying about it.

It's all perception though. That's why things like having a 3rd party AAA publisher reveal their game at the Sony E3 press conference matters, even though it's actually on X1 as well. Likewise with console-game bundles. I bet PS4 will sell a bunch of those for Destiny, and get a bunch more ppl thinking it's PS4 exclusive from the fact the beta currently going on is PS4 only.

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It's not that PS4 necessarily lacks substance, though it certainly doesn't live up to what it claims were you to objectively compare the console to what people have been saying about it.

It's all perception though. That's why things like having a 3rd party AAA publisher reveal their game at the Sony E3 press conference matters, even though it's actually on X1 as well. Likewise with console-game bundles. I bet PS4 will sell a bunch of those for Destiny, and get a bunch more ppl thinking it's PS4 exclusive from the fact the beta currently going on is PS4 only.

Sad... but true.

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Nintendo's strategy is differnt than Microsoft and Sony's. It seems like Nintendo is just trying to overload Wii U with software, then trying to sell hardware, while Microsoft and Sony are trying to sell consoles, then get more software out there.

Ummm....which is exactly what Nintendo was doing with the Wii-U during its first year on the market. It obviously takes a couple years to develop a strong software library, as the Wii-U has shown, so it makes no sense to compare that console to the PS4 and Xbox who haven't even been out for 7 months and act like Nintendo is doing something different.

True, but alot of people thought Xbox One and PS4 would have a Wii U sized library, as soon as they launched. People only stopped crticising Wii U's library once they realized Xbox One and PS4 had less, which was still a few months after, as far as I could tell.

I'm just trying to understand how opinions got skewed to thinking that somehow Xbox One and PS4's library would be a godsend. Admittedly, we didn't have release dates for a majority of games, but people just assumed they'd be there sooner than later. Destiny was announced when they announced PS4, and we're still going to have to wait like 3 months, which is like about 1.5 years after they announced it.

We have to compare Nintendo's 1st party titles to Xbox One and PS4's 1st party titles, so Nintendo will still probably have more games in 2015.

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You can't dismiss multi platform/third party games like that. People will be buying a PS4 to play games like Destiny, Arkham Knight and Witcher 3, but so many people seem to want to exclude them from discussion because they're not exclusive? Makes no sense to me. People will be buying a console to buy them, you can be sure of it.

All of the games coming out this Christmas will have been in development for at least 3 years. The reason many of them still have 360/PS3 versions is because it was assumed those consoles would still be the main mover of software until 2016 or beyond. For the 7th and 6th generations, it took years before the new games caught up with the sales of the old games. However, this time, a game released six months after the launch of the new machines, Watch Dogs, sees a huge majority of it's sales coming on those new machines. That was not expected, not at all.

Nobody expected Xbone or PS4 to sell as well as they have, selling faster than the PS3, the 360, the PS2, the Cube, the Xbox, you name it. The PS4 is even outpacing the Wii sales. If they'd know this, you can bet they wouldn't have have kept making games for the older consoles, but NOBODY saw this coming.

As for Destiny taking ages... what about Zelda? Announced right at the start of 2013, and probably going to be a Christmas 2015 game. A month or two short of 3 years between announcement and it coming out.

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You can't dismiss multi platform/third party games like that. People will be buying a PS4 to play games like Destiny, Arkham Knight and Witcher 3, but so many people seem to want to exclude them from discussion because they're not exclusive? Makes no sense to me. People will be buying a console to buy them, you can be sure of it.

As for Destiny taking ages... what about Zelda? Announced right at the start of 2013, and probably going to be a Christmas 2015 game. A month or two short of 3 years between announcement and it coming out.

I'm not dismissing them. I'm just saying that Wii U has more games, even though 3rd parties aren't supporting them as much. Wii U isn't getting FIFA 15, 2KNBA15, GTA V, etc, and they still have more games, whether it be from indies, 1st party, or paid 3rd parties.

Alot of these games are updates from last year, so it really depends on whether you still want to consider FIFA 14 as a real candidate against FIFA 15. I'll probably buy GTA 5 on Xbxo One. I just don't think Xbox One and PS4 have that great of a library when all they are getting is the updated version of last years games(FIFA, MAdden), games that are already on last gen, and not that many 1st parties.

It's not like Wii U is the only one that needs to improve. All these systmes can do alot more. It just seems like people like to single out the Wii U, then go play FIFA or CoD every year.

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Yes, you can always find a positive and negative. But what the overly negative-minded people don't want to acknowledge is that this only accounts for under a week of Mario Kart 8 being available. So, yes, maybe the Wii U only moved about 60,000 consoles (still an increase over the same time last year), but its hot game that was going to move all those consoles was only around for a few days of that report. Logic would tell you that a longer sampling period will be needed to assess the exact situation.

But the reality is, MK8 will almost certainly sell more in those 2 days of May than it will in the whole of June. This is how things work. In the UK and Japan it's already on track to see this happen. It happens with every game. Pikmin 3 sold 100,000 copies in 2 days when it came out in Japan. In the 12 months since, it has sold 150,000.

Same with hardware. In 2008, Mario Kart Wii came out with 4 days left of the month. It sold 1.12 million copies in North America in 4 days, and they sold 715,000 consoles in 4 days. The following month it had a full 31 days on sale, so you'd think numbers were way higher, right? But despite having an extra 27 days on sale, they shifted 780,000 copies of the game and 675,000 consoles.

The Wii U sales will go up in June. There's 5 weeks in the NPD period for June instead of 4 for May, so that's an automatic 25% boost, even if sales don't improve at all, but it's probably not going to be selling 200k or anything which it really should after launching their biggest/2nd biggest game of the year. PS4 does that even on months when there are no games.

I understand the basic premise of, "Hey! This is brand-new! Let's all buy it when it immediately when it comes out!" hence trickling-down of sales numbers. Happens in every market, bud. My point, which you seemed to either miss or decided to ignore, is that the effect on hardware sales cannot be encapsulated after only two days. THAT effect, my friend, will take much longer to suss out after the game is out there for a month or two and has spread by word of mouth, articles, etc. So just be patient and wait for judgment on that front, please.

Edit: Also, why even bring PS4 into the discussion if a comparison wasn't even asked for? It sort of spoils my perception of you as a person capable of even-tempered, logical discussion.

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SCAR392 wrote:

Peach64 wrote:

You can't dismiss multi platform/third party games like that. People will be buying a PS4 to play games like Destiny, Arkham Knight and Witcher 3, but so many people seem to want to exclude them from discussion because they're not exclusive? Makes no sense to me. People will be buying a console to buy them, you can be sure of it.

As for Destiny taking ages... what about Zelda? Announced right at the start of 2013, and probably going to be a Christmas 2015 game. A month or two short of 3 years between announcement and it coming out.

I'm not dismissing them. I'm just saying that Wii U has more games, even though 3rd parties aren't supporting them as much. Wii U isn't getting FIFA 15, 2KNBA15, GTA V, etc, and they still have more games, whether it be from indies, 1st party, or paid 3rd parties.

Alot of these games are updates from last year, so it really depends on whether you still want to consider FIFA 14 as a real candidate against FIFA 15. I'll probably buy GTA 5 on Xbxo One. I just don't think Xbox One and PS4 have that great of a library when all they are getting is the updated version of last years games(FIFA, MAdden), games that are already on last gen, and not that many 1st parties.

It's not like Wii U is the only one that needs to improve. All these systmes can do alot more. It just seems like people like to single out the Wii U, then go play FIFA or CoD every year.

Haha, that's a good point. Besides third-party support I think a lot of it is politics. If enough people SAY PS4 has more/better games, people believe it and buy it. If enough people SAY Wii U has no good games then people believe it and don't buy it (lol, even many 3DS owners who like Nintendo won't buy it even though games like Mario 3D World, Mario Kart 8, and Smash Bros are all immensely superior to their 3DS counterparts). Overall, it's an uphill battle for Nintendo so I think instead of trying to trudge up Sony's hill into an ambush they need to focus on what they do best: make original and/or great games in their own, reasonable price bracket. The kind of ripples Splatoon is already making is proof Nintendo just needs to own their niche instead of trying to compete with the Fifa and CoD fans.

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Not sure which stance Wii U fans will take once the other consoles surpass the Wii U in sales and games.

Well I do know, but that's besides the point. Hey at least it's outselling the Xbox 360.. that's something.

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Peach64 wrote:

The Wii U sales will go up in June. There's 5 weeks in the NPD period for June instead of 4 for May, so that's an automatic 25% boost, even if sales don't improve at all, but it's probably not going to be selling 200k or anything which it really should after launching their biggest/2nd biggest game of the year. PS4 does that even on months when there are no games.

An extra week doesn't automatically mean a 25% boost, and PS4 selling with no games is exactly why this whole discussion is BS. Even if Wii U has more games, PS fans are still going to buy PS4. It's not like PS4 is the only console with 3rd party games, either.

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Peach64 wrote:

You can't dismiss multi platform/third party games like that. People will be buying a PS4 to play games like Destiny, Arkham Knight and Witcher 3, but so many people seem to want to exclude them from discussion because they're not exclusive? Makes no sense to me. People will be buying a console to buy them, you can be sure of it.

As for Destiny taking ages... what about Zelda? Announced right at the start of 2013, and probably going to be a Christmas 2015 game. A month or two short of 3 years between announcement and it coming out.

I'm not dismissing them. I'm just saying that Wii U has more games, even though 3rd parties aren't supporting them as much. Wii U isn't getting FIFA 15, 2KNBA15, GTA V, etc, and they still have more games, whether it be from indies, 1st party, or paid 3rd parties.

Alot of these games are updates from last year, so it really depends on whether you still want to consider FIFA 14 as a real candidate against FIFA 15. I'll probably buy GTA 5 on Xbxo One. I just don't think Xbox One and PS4 have that great of a library when all they are getting is the updated version of last years games(FIFA, MAdden), games that are already on last gen, and not that many 1st parties.

It's not like Wii U is the only one that needs to improve. All these systmes can do alot more. It just seems like people like to single out the Wii U, then go play FIFA or CoD every year.

Haha, that's a good point. Besides third-party support I think a lot of it is politics. If enough people SAY PS4 has more/better games, people believe it and buy it. If enough people SAY Wii U has no good games then people believe it and don't buy it (lol, even many 3DS owners who like Nintendo won't buy it even though games like Mario 3D World, Mario Kart 8, and Smash Bros are all immensely superior to their 3DS counterparts). Overall, it's an uphill battle for Nintendo so I think instead of trying to trudge up Sony's hill into an ambush they need to focus on what they do best: make original and/or great games in their own, reasonable price bracket. The kind of ripples Splatoon is already making is proof Nintendo just needs to own their niche instead of trying to compete with the Fifa and CoD fans.

Ya, and having the library be similar was probably Nintendo's way of getting thei 3DS gamers on board, to begin with. It's almost like some people can't form opinions for themselves. I don't think Nintendo needs to directly attack Sony, either. It's just a matter of some people not caring about what Nintendo is doing in comparison to Xbox One or PS4.

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SCAR392 wrote:

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The Wii U sales will go up in June. There's 5 weeks in the NPD period for June instead of 4 for May, so that's an automatic 25% boost, even if sales don't improve at all, but it's probably not going to be selling 200k or anything which it really should after launching their biggest/2nd biggest game of the year. PS4 does that even on months when there are no games.

An extra week doesn't automatically mean a 25% boost, and PS4 selling with no games is exactly why this whole discussion is BS. Even if Wii U has more games, PS fans are still going to buy PS4. It's not like PS4 is the only console with 3rd party games, either.

It clearly has games though MLB The Show 2014 Launched a bit over a month ago Infamous released in March it has had about as many exclusives as Wii U plus 3rd party so where is this no games released argument coming from?

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Jazzer94 wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

Peach64 wrote:

The Wii U sales will go up in June. There's 5 weeks in the NPD period for June instead of 4 for May, so that's an automatic 25% boost, even if sales don't improve at all, but it's probably not going to be selling 200k or anything which it really should after launching their biggest/2nd biggest game of the year. PS4 does that even on months when there are no games.

An extra week doesn't automatically mean a 25% boost, and PS4 selling with no games is exactly why this whole discussion is BS. Even if Wii U has more games, PS fans are still going to buy PS4. It's not like PS4 is the only console with 3rd party games, either.

It clearly has games though MLB The Show 2014 Launched a bit over a month ago Infamous released in March it has had about as many exclusives as Wii U plus 3rd party so where is this no games released argument coming from?

No one is saying PS4 absolutely lacks 1st party games and 3rd parties. The discussion is that it really isn't offering more than Wii U or Xbox One, in terms of content, and it is still selling better. There have been months where PS4 has sold tremendously and there hasn't been any really big games coming out that weren't available elsewhere. That would mean people are buying PS4 for the hardware or the PS logo(includes exclusive games, which every console has its share of), unless there's some other factor I'm missing. CoD Ghosts at 1080p isn't enough to buy PS4 over another console, because otherwise alot of people might as well make the jump to PC or Steambox.

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Scar, do you really think the Wii U has more games, or more games you're interested in? There's not really anything coming out til September, so I'll be kind and only count September onwards and skip out some big PS4 games like Madden 15, Diablo III and The Last of Us. Wii U will have Sonic Boom, Skylanders Trap Team, Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures 2, Just Dance 2015, Bayonetta 2, Hyrule Warriors, Disney Infinity 2, Captain Toad's Treasure Hunter, and Super Smash Bros for Wii U. PS4 is going to have Far Cry 4, The Crew, WWE 2K15, Assassins Creed: Unity, Evolve, The Evil Within, Shadows of Mordor, NBA 2K15, Drive Club, Dragon Age: Inquistion, Alien: Isolation, Skylanders Trap Team, Disney Infinity 2, FIFA 15, NHL 15, Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare and Destiny.

Now, I'm certainly not going to be buying a PS4 this year, but I think it's a bit harsh to say they're selling on hype alone. That's a lot of games coming out for it. As for why they are buying it over Xbone? Well you say 1080p is not enough, but why not? Why would someone buy a Xbone for $100 more, with games that are even a tiny bit inferior? It makes no sense.

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Those games(except Drive Club and The Last of Us) are on Xbox One, too, so what exactly am I missing?

EDIT: Also, Xbox One is the same price now, has more media, has a better camera(if you want that), and costs less in Canada.

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But all we've seen are sales figures from before the price cut. Gamestop having been saying Xbone sales have shot up since the Kinectless unit. Maybe they'll be closer next month? Or maybe people would still rather spend $400 for the console with the slightly better versions of multi platform games to $400 for the one with slightly weaker versions?

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Peach64 wrote:

But all we've seen are sales figures from before the price cut. Gamestop having been saying Xbone sales have shot up since the Kinectless unit. Maybe they'll be closer next month? Or maybe people would still rather spend $400 for the console with the slightly better versions of multi platform games to $400 for the one with slightly weaker versions?

I thought media mattered, though, which Xbox One has more of. The only real difference is exclusives, because if I think Halo, Forza, Fable, Project Spark, Sunset Overdrive, etc. more abundant exclusives on Xbox One is more appealing than CoD at 1080p, I'm going to buy the console with more games, not the one with CoD at 1080p.

It's not like Wii U will be missing out on Project Cars, so it still has one of the biggest racing sims out there. This isn't that big of a deal.

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SCAR392 wrote:

Peach64 wrote:

But all we've seen are sales figures from before the price cut. Gamestop having been saying Xbone sales have shot up since the Kinectless unit. Maybe they'll be closer next month? Or maybe people would still rather spend $400 for the console with the slightly better versions of multi platform games to $400 for the one with slightly weaker versions?

I thought media mattered, though, which Xbox One has more of. The only real difference is exclusives, because if I think Halo, Forza, Fable, Project Spark, Sunset Overdrive, etc. more abundant exclusives on Xbox One is more appealing than CoD at 1080p, I'm going to buy the console with more games, not the one with CoD at 1080p.

It's not like Wii U will be missing out on Project Cars, so it still has one of the biggest racing sims out there. This isn't that big of a deal.

Media doesn't matter much for consoles when the average consumer has Tablets, Home Computers, Laptops and mobiles that can fill that void easily at most the majority will utilize Netflix and play Blue rays but people buy consoles to play games.

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SCAR392 wrote:

Peach64 wrote:

But all we've seen are sales figures from before the price cut. Gamestop having been saying Xbone sales have shot up since the Kinectless unit. Maybe they'll be closer next month? Or maybe people would still rather spend $400 for the console with the slightly better versions of multi platform games to $400 for the one with slightly weaker versions?

I thought media mattered, though, which Xbox One has more of. The only real difference is exclusives, because if I think Halo, Forza, Fable, Project Spark, Sunset Overdrive, etc. more abundant exclusives on Xbox One is more appealing than CoD at 1080p, I'm going to buy the console with more games, not the one with CoD at 1080p.

It's not like Wii U will be missing out on Project Cars, so it still has one of the biggest racing sims out there. This isn't that big of a deal.

Media doesn't matter much for consoles when the average consumer has Tablets, Home Computers, Laptops and mobiles that can fill that void easily at most the majority will utilize Netflix and play Blue rays but people buy consoles to play games.

Then why are people b****ing about Wii U not having as much media playback? The only option of choosing a console, if media matters, is Xbox One. Plus, I just said that Xbox One has more exclusives, as well as all the 3rd party support.

The way I see it, I'm better off buying the Wii U for the most exclusives, indies, and free online, then buying Xbox One for the most media, 3rd parties, and second most amount of exclusives.

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The way I see it, I'm better off buying the Wii U for the most exclusives, indies, and free online, then buying Xbox One for the most media, 3rd parties, and second most amount of exclusives.

Wait, I thought this thread was about overall sales trends in North America? The scope seems to have narrowed significantly.

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SCAR392 wrote:

Jazzer94 wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

Peach64 wrote:

But all we've seen are sales figures from before the price cut. Gamestop having been saying Xbone sales have shot up since the Kinectless unit. Maybe they'll be closer next month? Or maybe people would still rather spend $400 for the console with the slightly better versions of multi platform games to $400 for the one with slightly weaker versions?

I thought media mattered, though, which Xbox One has more of. The only real difference is exclusives, because if I think Halo, Forza, Fable, Project Spark, Sunset Overdrive, etc. more abundant exclusives on Xbox One is more appealing than CoD at 1080p, I'm going to buy the console with more games, not the one with CoD at 1080p.

It's not like Wii U will be missing out on Project Cars, so it still has one of the biggest racing sims out there. This isn't that big of a deal.

Media doesn't matter much for consoles when the average consumer has Tablets, Home Computers, Laptops and mobiles that can fill that void easily at most the majority will utilize Netflix and play Blue rays but people buy consoles to play games.

Then why are people b****ing about Wii U not having as much media playback? The only option of choosing a console, if media matters, is Xbox One. Plus, I just said that Xbox One has more exclusives, as well as all the 3rd party support.

The way I see it, I'm better off buying the Wii U for the most exclusives, indies, and free online, then buying Xbox One for the most media, 3rd parties, and second most amount of exclusives.

Most people were b****ing about the lack of blue ray playback support which is what I mentioned, I haven't seen many complain about the lack of Twitch streaming and such.

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