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DefHalan

21. Posted:

Peach64 wrote:

Yeah, Worldwide. NPD is just North America. Japanese charts come out every week, and it sold 325,000 there on top of this. We don't really have any idea how much it sold in Europe.

Do you know how Watch Dogs did worldwide? Might be good for reference.

http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/44243746261/nickels-dimes-and-quarters
http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/why-console-specs-dont-matter
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/200271/Video_Don_Daglow_on_nextgen_transition_traps_and_treasures.php

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Peach64

22. Posted:

I think it was 4 million.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-06-03-watch-dogs-sells...

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skywake

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Peach64 wrote:

Numbers are in:

PS4 ~ 197k
3DS ~ 97k
XB1 ~ 77k
Wii U ~ 61k
360 ~ 57k
PSV ~ 56k
PS3 ~ 36k
Wii ~ 11k

Pretty bad month for everyone apart from PS4!

Well considering that for most of the month it looked like it was more like:
1. PS4, 2. XBOne, 3. 3DS, 4. 360, 5. Wii U

I'd say Nintendo did pretty well to catch up as much as they did. Plus from the forum chatter floating around on non-Nintendo forums I suspect Mario Kart 8 and the Wii U has performed well into this month. Watch this space!

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DefHalan

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So 4 million spread accross 5 platforms for Watch_Dogs
1 million on 1 platform for Mario Kart 8

looks to me like Mario Kart 8 did very well, especially for being on a "dead" console. It is for this reason why I dislike sales charts, they fail to show the whole picture. Watch_Dogs still did a great job especially for being a new IP

http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/44243746261/nickels-dimes-and-quarters
http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/why-console-specs-dont-matter
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/200271/Video_Don_Daglow_on_nextgen_transition_traps_and_treasures.php

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SCAR392

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That's why I was saying that Mario Kart 8 was selling out at the stores, because Nintendo said they sold 1.2 million, but what sells in stores is what counts. They've probably already printed more copies of all these games.

They discontinued a few bundles that were supposed to be temporary, but Mario Kart 8 will probably be the bundle they stick with for its enire life span, and a few others here and there. It would be pretty cool to get a Starfox bundle, that is actually successful, sitting next to the MK8 bundle.

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Peach64

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Mario Kart 8 did fantastically well, don't think anyone will be questioning that. The problem is the hardware figure.

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skywake

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Momentum and word of mouth. The Wii U sales here only show the pre-Kart-bundle oxygen stealing from Wii U sales plus two days post Kart. Even then they had a shot at overtaking the XBOne this month. Since then they've had continued Kart momentum, high praise and a fantastic showing at E3. I wouldn't be reading too much into this either way.

I mean they're doing something right when a PC youtube dudes do videos like this.....

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SCAR392

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Peach64 wrote:

Mario Kart 8 did fantastically well, don't think anyone will be questioning that. The problem is the hardware figure.

I know. I'm just saying Nintendo has way more chances of getting people to buy a Wii U if they keep doing bundles and promos.

Nintendo's strategy is differnt than Microsoft and Sony's. It seems like Nintendo is just trying to overload Wii U with software, then trying to sell hardware, while Microsoft and Sony are trying to sell consoles, then get more software out there. I don't know how the PS Store looks(I'm guessing it's similar to Xbox One's), but the Xbox Live Marketplace isn't jack compared to Wii U's I would know, because I have both of these.

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JamesCoote

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Next month will be more interesting, to see if the MK8 boost lasts. I noticed in some weekly charts (I think Media Create for Japan), MK8 dropped to #4 position versus Watch_Dogs keeping #1 spot. So may be that it's a bit weaker than people might have been hoping.

Conversely, we should see in next month's figures any post-E3 boosts, and after that, hopefully a boost from Smash Bro's. If those two events also end up being blips, rather than building momentum on the back of MK8, then it'll be disappointing. After that, it'll be Destiny bundles for PS4 (and X1?) in September, and after that, we're into Holiday season sales.

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SCAR392

30. Posted:

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Watch_Dogs is on every console, except Wii U. Mario Kart 8 is only on Wii U. It really depends on what those #2 and 3 game are, in order for us to figure how well it's doing. You should post a link, BTW.

As long as MK8 is selling some systems, continues to sell more systems, and gets some software sales from what's already available, I would think that's successful. People may be buying it for MK8, but people will see all the other games and probably buy them. That's just how it goes.

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JamesCoote

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Off the top of my head, it was Fifa 15 World Cup edition (duh), and Wolfenstein. The point was more that Watch_Dogs hasn't dropped off, whereas MK8 has. Yes, it's relative and WD is on 5 consoles or something, but in real terms, MK8 is slipping.

Is a shame they didn't release WD WiiU along with all the others

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SCAR392

32. Posted:

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Off the top of my head, it was Fifa 15 World Cup edition (duh), and Wolfenstein. The point was more that Watch_Dogs hasn't dropped off, whereas MK8 has. Yes, it's relative and WD is on 5 consoles or something, but in real terms, MK8 is slipping.

Is a shame they didn't release WD WiiU along with all the others

Again, those games are on more than one console. We would have to compare Mario Kart 8 to something like LBP 3, Kinect Sports or something along those lines that is also a console exclusive. Mario Kart 8 is doing very well for being on one platform that doesn't have a combined user base of 12 million(excluding PC) userbase. There's a such thing as ratios, which is why selling 7 million copies on Xbox 360 and PS3, alone, isn't very impressive, anymore.

Fifa 15 will be on 3DS and Wii, too, so I guess we'll just have to compare those sales to FIFA on other platforms. An even more impotant figure would be which console sold the most Watch Dog copies, because then at least we would know what other games Watch Dog buyers are playing.

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Here are the Media Create sales from last week, which has MK8 top (so must have been another one I was thinking of. Maybe the UK charts?): http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-06-12-wii-u-loses-... This actually shows Wii U hardware spike from MK8 trailing off less precipitously, or perhaps just proportionally mirroring the fall in MK8 sales.

You can always find positive and negatives to suit your point in statistics. The positives are that a large % of WiiU users are still buying games for the console (and/or are dusting it off to play MK8). That the marketing message about MK8 release hit a large number of WiiU owners. That a good WiiU game can hit 1mil+ sales.

The downside is that even the very best WiiU game only hit +1mil sales. Versus a quite good game over 5 platforms hitting 4mil. The message is that it's better to make your games cross-platform. That can be both bad, as it means WiiU is less likely to get exclusives, especially ones that actually use it's unique gamepad or wiimotes. But good if more cross-platform games now choose to include WiiU in that basket of platforms they hit up (in addition to PS4/X1/PS3/X360). It may be as well that as WiiU continues to sell, but most PS3/X360 players upgrade to PS4/X1 respectively, that it makes sense to re-allocate PS3/X360 resources towards a WiiU version instead. The results of that will only start coming through though in a year or two's time.

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skywake

34. Posted:

JamesCoote wrote:

You can always find positive and negatives to suit your point in statistics.

Indeed. Like how you made a point about Mario Kart 8 falling in the UK all-format charts. You could have just as easily made a point about how it jumped from #4 to #2 in the individual format charts. Last week it was bellow the 360 and XBOne versions of Watch Dogs, this week it was only behind the PS4 version. And of course last week the newest FIFA game goes up the charts in the UK. Obvious news is obvious.

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Beetlejuice

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SCAR392 wrote:

Nintendo's strategy is differnt than Microsoft and Sony's. It seems like Nintendo is just trying to overload Wii U with software, then trying to sell hardware, while Microsoft and Sony are trying to sell consoles, then get more software out there.

Ummm....which is exactly what Nintendo was doing with the Wii-U during its first year on the market. It obviously takes a couple years to develop a strong software library, as the Wii-U has shown, so it makes no sense to compare that console to the PS4 and Xbox who haven't even been out for 7 months and act like Nintendo is doing something different.

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rallydefault

36. Posted:

Yes, you can always find a positive and negative. But what the overly negative-minded people don't want to acknowledge is that this only accounts for under a week of Mario Kart 8 being available. So, yes, maybe the Wii U only moved about 60,000 consoles (still an increase over the same time last year), but its hot game that was going to move all those consoles was only around for a few days of that report. Logic would tell you that a longer sampling period will be needed to assess the exact situation.

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Beetlejuice

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Yes, you can always find a positive and negative. But what the overly negative-minded people don't want to acknowledge is that this only accounts for under a week of Mario Kart 8 being available. So, yes, maybe the Wii U only moved about 60,000 consoles (still an increase over the same time last year), but its hot game that was going to move all those consoles was only around for a few days of that report. Logic would tell you that a longer sampling period will be needed to assess the exact situation.

And what the overly-positive people don't want to acknowledge is that the Wii-U only sold a couple thousand more units than the Xbox 360 which has been out since 2005. From June-September if Nintendo isn't selling 120K+ Wii-U's a month, it's going to be a disaster.

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Peach64

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rallydefault wrote:

Yes, you can always find a positive and negative. But what the overly negative-minded people don't want to acknowledge is that this only accounts for under a week of Mario Kart 8 being available. So, yes, maybe the Wii U only moved about 60,000 consoles (still an increase over the same time last year), but its hot game that was going to move all those consoles was only around for a few days of that report. Logic would tell you that a longer sampling period will be needed to assess the exact situation.

But the reality is, MK8 will almost certainly sell more in those 2 days of May than it will in the whole of June. This is how things work. In the UK and Japan it's already on track to see this happen. It happens with every game. Pikmin 3 sold 100,000 copies in 2 days when it came out in Japan. In the 12 months since, it has sold 150,000.

Same with hardware. In 2008, Mario Kart Wii came out with 4 days left of the month. It sold 1.12 million copies in North America in 4 days, and they sold 715,000 consoles in 4 days. The following month it had a full 31 days on sale, so you'd think numbers were way higher, right? But despite having an extra 27 days on sale, they shifted 780,000 copies of the game and 675,000 consoles.

The Wii U sales will go up in June. There's 5 weeks in the NPD period for June instead of 4 for May, so that's an automatic 25% boost, even if sales don't improve at all, but it's probably not going to be selling 200k or anything which it really should after launching their biggest/2nd biggest game of the year. PS4 does that even on months when there are no games.

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MrQuu

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I wish I knew how Sony keeps selling those console numbers, lol. Ok, so I own a PS4, I won't lie but I always buy each console hardware Nintendo and Sony produce. There is nothing on there outside of Towerfall Ascension and maybe Infamous that really sets the PS4 apart.

Anyways, I think June will be a good month for the Wii U. MK8 released so late in May we are nowhere near seeing its full impact.

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40. Posted:

The PS4 is still selling on pure hype, huh? And this is coming from a future PS4 owner.

I own a Wii U and 3DS. I do plan on getting a PS4 someday :D

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