Topic: Super Mario Maker - OT

Thank you!
But what I meant was, if the creator of the stage could do a permanent notice that's a constant part of the stage.
That's why I was worried that they're just MiiVerse posts. Even if you post them there yourself, they still could vanish after a few post of others were made.
Because, I want to make a stage where you need to read and "answer" those notes correctly to advance. Or something like that. I have there something in mind that's hard to explain. ^^

Or for those who don't want to click the link:

Looks pretty much like the official website background to be honest.

That said, what's with the complaints about levels again? Especially pre bundled ones? Cause while I don't consider many of the currently shown Mario Maker levels to have decent level design, the fact it's a level editor should make this whole thing kind of moot.

Agreed! I'm getting this game for the premade levels and for all the user made levels, since I'm not the most creative person myself. But I know there will be plenty of replay value with SMM, so its worthy of being a day one purchase for me.

Not enough premade levels, so...you know...it won't be worth $60 now. Or whatever, lol

This is interesting...

I for one don't care about the pre-made levels at all (although I will probably play them); I've been wanting an official Mario editor for years now! There are some decent ones out there on the web, but they have bugs, don't have the physics right, or are too complicated. I can't wait to make those New Super Mario Bros. levels I've always wanted to with a perfect engine, and with extra features to boot!

And about the servers going down, hopefully you'll be able to download several levels, and that would solve that problem, more or less.

Here is a 2 hour live stream from IGN for anyone that wants to watch and be teased some more:

EDIT - warning, the guys actually playing the game and commentating are very annoying

I never said you weren't "allowed" to see value in the included levels. I simply asked why some people think it's such a big deal given the game will have user generated levels. That was it. Why do people even remotely care about whether 100, 60 or 10 levels are on the disk. And when I asked the only reason put forward was that the user created levels wouldn't be as good. Which I said was kinda missing the point of what the game was about! All I said was that you didn't even bring up the fear of the servers going down. Infact I believe I was the first person to bring it up when I said this:

So please don't pretend I'm saying something I didn't. I never said that you aren't allowed to now be scared of the servers going down. I just said that you never brought it up and nobody was arguing that point. And that given nobody was arguing that point I didn't understand why the included levels were a big deal.

Partial quotes losing context as they're shared along. All I said was that it when it was said that the news of included levels "generated excitement" it was probably a bit of a self-centred conclusion. Which was maybe a bad wording that got people worked up. Maybe I should have said that it was a bit of confirmation bias. Because that's what I meant.

And I guess you're right, maybe I am doing the same with my lack of interest in that feature. For sure. However I still think that the mere fact that this game is getting more hype than New SMB goes against that. The only thing that makes this a unique title is the fact that you can build and share levels. So I don't think it's too much of a stretch for me to think that that's the main appeal of the game. If you guys want to argue otherwise? Well maybe you guys should come up with a good argument.

.... and so far, as I said above, the best argument is the fear that the servers will go down.

My biggest gripe is that this is 60$...

I could get SM3DW instead.

And remember.
Quality over quantity

Or you could get Mario Maker, which will have both. shrugs

Yeah, kinda goes to the needlessly endless argument/discussion that's been going on here. My only point has been that Super Mario Maker is a game that should give us a near-endless supply of quality levels. Unless you have an extreme scepticism of user generated content I think everyone would agree with that. So why it wouldn't be an instant buy on that concept alone is something I don't understand. Assuming your a fan of 2D Mario games of course.

The concern about what will happen to the game years from now? That's an entirely different discussion.

It's worth remembering that the Wii's online servers weren't really run by Nintendo. They had an external company doing that work for them, one that was effectively owned by IGN. So it was basically IGN's decision to turn the servers off as a cost-cutting measure. The new service, the one that's tied to your NNID? That was developed by and is run by Nintendo themselves. And they've already said that they'll expand the service to phones/tablets and the NX. So it's kinda different.

Down the road for sure, there's a chance that they might remove support for their old platforms. But they have control over it now. And as long as Nintendo is still making platforms I suspect they'll keep the Nintendo Network running in some form. It is a concern but I don't think it's as big a concern as it was previously.

Then at the risk of alienating someone else I revise it back to what I originally typed before I edited the post and say "fans of 2D Platformers"

"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"

@kkslider5552000: It may have both, but I doubt they would be in the same ratio ;P

My guess is that it'll lean towards quantity more than usual. Though not at the expense of quality. I'd wager the quality will still be better than what we're used to in a typical 2D Mario game. Of course I may have a different metric for what constitutes "quality" compared to others.

I look at the levels created in Super Mario Maker so far and it reminds me of the stuff in Star Road in Super Mario World. And those levels were the best levels in that game. They played with the elements and they challenged you. They did stuff that you didn't think could be done in the game. Even though Super Mario Maker is kinda limited in terms of enemies and terrain.... I reckon the levels will be just as good.

A friend of mine is working at a box printing factory and he mentioned that they were printing the boxes for the WiiU+Mario Maker bundle already. He also said it was a pain to make, thanks to the amiibo windows the box had on the sides.

Well, the quality vs quantity issue is a non-issue really. If you take all the levels that have been shown so far (official trailers, Nintendo Threehouse, NWC, Facebook thingy, IGN etc) this game ALREADY looks like the best 2D Mario game we've had in 10 years. So the quality issue is already covered and solved.
As for the quantity - I am not afraid of quantity, honestly. I'm looking forward to play the "bad" levels aswell - why not? I've been playing Super Mario Bros for more than 25 years and I must admit that the predictable, obvious brilliance of some of the professionally made levels tends to bore me at times. So I can't wait to see some original, off-beat ideas that may not be entirely practical or well done but they might be different and interesting to try out.

The longevity of the game is another non-issue. The servers will last enough for you to grow tired of the game. And when in 2025 you'll decide you want to play this old and obsolete game again (for whatever reason) - yes the servers will probably be gone - but you'll be left with all the built-in games and a tool to make your own levels for your kids, your friends and your family.
Yes playing your own levels is not as fun as playing other people's levels, but a good part of the fun is in actually MAKING them, no?!

What I hope we see: https://youtu.be/zkMuNRjodCQ

@skywake: that would be nice. I don't think it will be too impossible to copy that game piece by piece.
I'd also like to see Extra Mario Bros. and Super Mario Frustration.

then it's not the game for you mate.

I am very relieved that those can be turned off. The only ones I will look at are notes on my own levels.