It is relevant, there are a lot of multiplatform games that are locked to 30 frames on PC. We're comparing two racers from a technical standpoint, one being a multiplatform game You can't magically pretend the PC doesn't exist from some kind of bias.
It's clearly obvious you wouldn't be saying something if sonic was on the ps4 in 60 and 1080 so why the comments about the PC, if anything its the most legitimate platform because it's been out the longest and with every generation consoles keep trying to be one more than the last.
The PC platform is the platform that I have by far the most experience with, and yet I would never compare it with any game console.
Since MK8 isn't multi-platform, it's not possible to technically compare between MK8 and SASR (which is what this thread is about) on any other platform than the Wii U, where both exist. Unless you'll say that MK8 runs at 0 fps and with no resultion on all other platforms.
If you want to compare with the PC model that has "been out the longest" (running on a 4.77 MHz 8088), you'll notice that you will not be able to run any PC software (including Steam) that any gamer would run today. Using the the Wii U (or PS4, or XBOne, or any other game console) model that has been out the longest, you'll notice that you can run all games written for that console (if you have all the required peripherals). Furthermore, Steam does not equal PC gaming. Steam is not a hardware spec.
Sonic All Star Racing has terrible gameplay compared to any of the last 3 console Mario Karts. There were many little things I'd have liked Nintendo to have taken note from but the overall experience just doesn't do it for me. I think I won every single race, except a few of the boost races, on my first attempt. The game also crashed more frequently than anything else I have played on Wii U, making certain multiplayer configurations impossible to play.
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Played Sonic for half an hour and gave up. The game constantly hits framerates below 24, which you can clearly see and feel while you're racing. MK8 runs at a smooth framrate at all times, so it's the winner.
Sonic All Star Racing has terrible gameplay compared to any of the last 3 console Mario Karts. There were many little things I'd have liked Nintendo to have taken note from but the overall experience just doesn't do it for me. I think I won every single race, except a few of the boost races, on my first attempt. The game also crashed more frequently than anything else I have played on Wii U, making certain multiplayer configurations impossible to play.
I think the fact that Sonic doesn't have the rubberbanding Mario has had until this release is enough for it not to be considered "terrible." At least I have to look at the screen to pass Sonic courses. 150CC is enough of a joke that I can watch TV or do something else while playing Mario Kart.
Both games have their strengths and weaknesses. Right now I would say that I prefer MK8, though that may be partly because it is new.
Sonic:
Offers a true single player campaign and actively encourages the player to use all characters to unlock stuff.
5 player local multiplayer with the gamepad and 4 remotes.
More challenging (frustrating?) than MK.
Cons:
Only runs at 30 fps in single player, and even worse in multi.
Awkward interface that's difficult to figure out at first.
Strange controls with boats and planes.
Weaker items
Mario kart pros:
More accessibility ( everyone knows Mario Kart)
More tracks available to play.
More polished online
MKTV is a lot of fun.
Cons
Battle mode is lackluster (for now)
A bit scant for a purely single player game.
Even though Mario Kart 8 technically doesn't have as many features as Somic, the game feels more polished. It depends on what you want - polish or content.
I agree with most of this, except I'd argue weaker items are a plus if you're meaning the items aren't as useful as they are in Mario Kart. It makes it more of a focus on actual racing ability, really.
Wait, so the game is not 1080p 60fps? I'm confused here.
It is not the Steam version is though. The iOS version is also 60fps and even though the iOS one has no anti-aliasing its not an issue on a retina ipad.
(Only briefly tested the iOS one won't even properly try it without a controller).
Comparing Steam games with a game console is irrelevant IMO. Steam is not a hardware spec, steam-supported software will only run on 60 fps if the hardware is capable of it. On low-end Steam computers, it could 15 be fps as well.
Comparing the iPad's tiny screen (although hi-res) with how a traditional game console is connected is irrelevant IMO, although the iPad has its own eco system just like game consoles.
Both iPads and Steam computers don't run MK8 at all, AFAIK. So from a technically stand point, there is no way to properly compare the 2 games there.
Doesn't matter. The worthwhile comparisons are the best versions running optimally. (I am not bothered about it being fair I just want the best version I can get excluding paying £20,000 for an Arcade machine).
They could have put more hardware into the Wii U or used a retina screen but it is irrelevant because they didn't.
I want the best version (Subject to having the least bad DRM which is Steam or DRM Free which doesn't exist as a choice).
There is only one PC version of All Stars Racing Transformed and it is a Steamworks game there is no way to play it without Steam so it is fair to call it a Steam game. (This can be contrasted with the original All Stars Racing that has two versions Steam or Securerom (Retail).
“30fps Is Not a Good Artistic Decision, It's a Failure”
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Played Sonic for half an hour and gave up. The game constantly hits framerates below 24, which you can clearly see and feel while you're racing. MK8 runs at a smooth framrate at all times, so it's the winner.
That is basically my experience with Sonic on the Wii U. It's not entirely smooth and the controls are very numb and sloppy. MK8 is just smooth and the controls is nice and tight. If we get extra racetracks as DLC, that would be gold.
@Aluwolf Just go play online. It seems like you have mad skillz and the AI can't keep up with your awesomeness.
Played Sonic for half an hour and gave up. The game constantly hits framerates below 24, which you can clearly see and feel while you're racing. MK8 runs at a smooth framrate at all times, so it's the winner.
That is basically my experience with Sonic on the Wii U. It's not entirely smooth and the controls are very numb and sloppy. MK8 is just smooth and the controls is nice and tight. If we get extra racetracks as DLC, that would be gold.
@Aluwolf Just go play online. It seems like you have mad skillz and the AI can't keep up with your awesomeness.
I'm not saying I have mad skills. It's really funny, I merely say I think that Sonic is a harder game to play and suddenly all these passive aggressive comments come up. Good to see Nintendo fans living up to the stereotype. I'm legitimately struggling and simply can't do most of the gold tier levels in Sonic. I even said before I'm not good at racers.
Played Sonic for half an hour and gave up. The game constantly hits framerates below 24, which you can clearly see and feel while you're racing. MK8 runs at a smooth framrate at all times, so it's the winner.
That is basically my experience with Sonic on the Wii U. It's not entirely smooth and the controls are very numb and sloppy. MK8 is just smooth and the controls is nice and tight. If we get extra racetracks as DLC, that would be gold.
@Aluwolf Just go play online. It seems like you have mad skillz and the AI can't keep up with your awesomeness.
I'm not saying I have mad skills. It's really funny, I merely say I think that Sonic is a harder game to play and suddenly all these passive aggressive comments come up. Good to see Nintendo fans living up to the stereotype. I'm legitimately struggling and simply can't do most of the gold tier levels in Sonic. I even said before I'm not good at racers.
Oh buddy people are saying suggestive things towards you and you call them typical Nintendo stereotypes? There wasn't even a single passive aggressive comment made towards you. Seeing you have such a fragile and sensitive heart, you don't go to Sony/Xbox forums do you? Trust me, it's a more aggressive world out there.
Again, if you find the single player too easy you can always go online, you don't have to limit yourself in the single player mode you know? There is a lot of good racers out there that will take you up for the challenge. Unless you don't have an internet connection, but you should because you're on here.
Just go play online. It seems like you have mad skillz and the AI can't keep up with your awesomeness.
I meant that genuinely. A person who can dominate 150cc in Mario Kart 8 without focussing and while doing other activities have serious skills. If that's not the case then I must have seriously suck. I can't even dominate 100cc without focusing 100% let alone 150cc. Also that comment is aggressive......? Geesh people these days are so sensitive.
I don't think the MK franchise is a game where you'll ever find the best or most challenging AI, due to the huge number of power ups available. To me, MK is a great party game or for head-to-head combat (locally or online) between humans, that's where it shines.
Well I guess it's just a simple case of misunderstandings. I thought you were being sarcastic and I thought the other guy was being a smart-ass by bringing up decades old computers and saying they can't run sonic so point invalid for me. (He probably was)
Maybe I'm just sick of not being able to say anything without SOMEONE having to be that guy.
Oh and to be fair, I haven't played 8 yet, which is why most of my discussion was about Sonic, when I talk about 150cc I mean in general of the series. Though 8 doesn't have as much rubberbanding to abuse, so maybe I will end up sucking.
They're both good. I'd say Mario Kart 8 not having any glitches or technical issues(as far as I've seen) automatically makes it the more polished and solid game, but there are aspects I like more about Sonic, like the speed and characters.
I tried the Sonic Racing demo and that convinced me to give it a pass. The motion controls were terrible and the flying bits were the worst regardless of control options. I spent more time focusing on controls and less time playing the game. The fact that I found it difficult to win even in the demo tracks was another knock - surely you want a demo to be fun rather than brutally challenging? It would be like trying to sell Mario Kart with a 150cc demo track!
Mario Kart by contrast is so accessible that not only did my ten year-old daughter enjoy playing it, but she's played it so much and improved so much that she's starting to kick my ass pretty regularly - and we're just playing 50cc! I think she tried the Sonic game once or twice and just didn't like it. I expect her experience with Sonic Racing is why I had to convince to to play Mario Kart - now I can't get her to stop! Mario Kart is a more finely-tuned machine and then you have Mario Kart TV which is almost as fun as playing the game.
This is why Nintendo is still a major games company and Sega is a second-tier software publisher. Nintendo could have probably done a launch day release of MK8 with the Wii U, but they no doubt knew with that extra effort they could knock it out of the park and they have. If Sonic characters were in Mario Kart I can't see why anyone would play Sonic Racing.
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