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Spoony_Tech

At this point I don't think an M rated Mario game would sell well on the system. RE4 was probably the last and for a couple of reasons, it was exclusive and was very highly rated. Nobody Truely knew if it would land on any other system so to play the next game in the series you have to as a Resident Evil fan get a GameCube.

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MERG said:

If I was only ever able to have Monster Hunter and EO games in the future, I would be a happy man.

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IceClimbers

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This sounds like a good idea and all, but there is one thing that kinda derails this plan. Ubisoft, EA, and Activision will simply shrug their shoulders and claim that the only reason why Bayonetta 2 sold a million or more copies was because Nintendo was involved as the publisher. In their eyes it won't prove a thing since Bayonetta 2 was supported by Nintendo, and their games did not have that luxury. It would only reinforce their argument that games only sale on Nintendo platforms if Nintendo's name is on the box.

Is it fair? No, but they will look for any excuse they can find. What we need is a "M" rated title that does not have any involvement from Nintendo to be a massive success. That might just change minds

But Bayonetta 2 won't change third-parties minds since they can play the "Well, it only sold because Nintendo was involved. Which proves that M rated games will only sell to Nintendo fans if Nintendo's name is on the box."

Sadly, the success of Bayonetta will not really not change anything.

Thing is, the guy who created this movement had no intention of changing the 3rd parties' minds. He knows that it won't change anything regarding 3rd party support. It's more to give Bayonetta 2 as much support as possible and to prove a point - M-rated games are capable of selling well on Nintendo.

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Hy8ogen wrote:

The game is looking very good so far. However I will not buy it day 1. I'll be waiting for reviews before pulling the trigger.

@AviatorI I don't know either. Like you I just want to play the games. If it's on the Wii U? Great! If it's not? Buy the system that it is on. However making game available on both platforms is also nice though, it gives us more choice as a consumer.

So far all of the previews for the game have been extremely positive, saying that it improves upon the original in every way. Also, it's worth noting that the previews were for the prologue and the first 4 chapters. That's quite a bit for a preview.

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SCRAPPER392

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Games like Sonic Lost World, Bayonetta 2, Lego City, etc, are all 3rd party titles that got paid for by Nintendo for Wii U, though. If Nintendo hadn't have paid them for those exclusive games, what else were people supposed to buy? We would have way less games on the console if Nintendo wasn't paying for these collaborations. For all we know, those collaborations have paid or gave more incentive to create content on the console.

Let's see how many games wouldn't be happening without Nintendo:
Lego City: Undercover
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate(Nintendo originally helped them get it on Wii)
Wonderful 101
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge(published)
Hyrule Warriors
Sonic 3D World
Sonic Boom
Devil's Third

Do you really think it doesn't matter from a 3rd party perspective, that Nintendo has collaborated to get this content onto their system? That's a good handful of games that probably wouldn't be there otherwise. So on one hand, we have people saying Nintendo should be money-hatting 3rd parties to get games on the system, and now I'm reading your post that says "it will sell, because Nintendo is associated with that game" and that somehow makes the situation even less opportunist for 3rd parties. It's quite the opposite, if you ask me. Like I said, Nintendo paying for these kinds of collaborations is getting games on the console that probably wouldn't be anywhere, otherwise, and can lead to more down the road.

These collaborations give 3rd parties more knowledge about the console, it gets them money even if the game doesn't sell tremendously well(otherwise they probably wouldn't do it), and it helps Nintendo get exclusive content on their console that people have bern saying they should be doing. They can't do that with every 3rd party, but it does matter for what they do.

Also, I would hold judgement on Devil's Third. The same sort of attitude was put towards Hyrule Warriors, and now it's one of the biggest games on any of the platforms and has shown improvement since it was first announced. Surely waiting for more details would be the best option..?

EDIT: In conclusion, saying that the sales of a 3rd party/Nintendo collaboration title doesn't really matter that much, is undermining everyone involved.

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Dragoon04

A noble goal to be sure, but a hack 'n slash game about a demon summoning, angel killing witch is not my cup of tea. Why did they not launch this movement for Hyrule Warriors. Koei Tecmo is also a third party studio. A hack and slash game rooted in the zelda universe has a much wider appeal and my money. Can't buy games every month so I have to choose.

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Dragoon04

A noble goal to be sure, but a hack 'n slash game about a demon summoning, angel killing witch is not my cup of tea. Why did they not launch this movement for Hyrule Warriors. Koei Tecmo is also a third party studio. A hack and slash game rooted in the zelda universe has a much wider appeal and my money. Can't buy games every month so I have to choose.

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Dragoon04

A noble goal to be sure, but a hack 'n slash game about a demon summoning, angel killing witch is not my cup of tea. Why did they not launch this movement for Hyrule Warriors. Koei Tecmo is also a third party studio. A hack and slash game rooted in the zelda universe has a much wider appeal and my money. Can't buy games every month so I have to choose.

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SCRAPPER392

@Dragoon04
That's why the "movement" doesn't make any sense. Who would avoid buying a game they are interested in, or go out of their way for a title they lack interest in? It will sell what it sells.

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IceClimbers wrote:

19Robb92 wrote:

Not to sound negative, but wouldn't a game that has a more universal appeal be smarter for this kind of "movement"?

Hack n' Slash games don't have a huge audience in general, the first game didn't even sell all that well despite being out on multiple platforms. This doesn't sound very well thought out.

It's the only choice we have. It's the only M-rated game coming for sure, and it's a quality title. Bayonetta 2 deserves as many sales as it can get.

Come on, gamers are in this hobby to have fun not to blindly support whatever proposal some faction might invent.

This is ridiculous.

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shingi_70

Wouldn't this just further that Nintendo gamers only buy games affiliated closely with Nintendo?

I wonder which Platnuim game will sell more Bayonetta or Korra?

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Nintenjoe64

I think even if this was aimed at selling a million copies of every single 3rd party release, the major publishers have made their minds up. Whether it is something Nintendo have done or something Sony and MS are doing, 3rd parties are outright ignoring any potential in Wii U. Every sensible release, with a proven track record on Nintendo, is shunning Wii U and instead we get games we know will fail to sell. Games that are selling poorly on other systems are getting ports and sequels while relatively strong Wii U software sales (especially strong in the face of no retail presence) are being used as an excuse not to bring any more games.

Hopefully Project CARS and Watch Dogs both sell best on Wii U. I doubt there's any way that can happen but it would be hilarious if Namco and Ubisoft had to backtrack on their Wii U stance. Soul Calibur 2 should 100% be on Wii U, with Link as a bonus character. Stick of Truth should have been on Wii U. Rayman should have remained as a Wii U exclusive for the 6 months they took to port it to other systems. Zombi U should get a sequel with a budget that reflects its 500,000 early adopters.

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TheLZdragon

Yeah, I agree with some of the criticism. In order for an "operation" like this to be effective, you'd have to increase sales all around for third party games.

Also, for Ubisoft's sake at least, console sales and an increased install base would convince them to support the Wii U.

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Spoony_Tech

WaLzgi wrote:

Yeah, I agree with some of the criticism. In order for an "operation" like this to be effective, you'd have to increase sales all around for third party games.

Also, for Ubisoft's sake at least, console sales and an increased install base would convince them to support the Wii U.

That's what they tell us but I don't believe them for a second. I'll give them credit for being the more supportive 3rd party but they can't be trusted when they say Just Dance sells well on the U when it really doesn't. Maybe it's more profitable on the U because it doesn't cost as much to make but yeah, don't believe them at all!

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MERG said:

If I was only ever able to have Monster Hunter and EO games in the future, I would be a happy man.

WHAT IS RETRO DOING??!!

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Nintenjoe64 wrote:

Hopefully Project CARS and Watch Dogs both sell best on Wii U.

I don't think these games deserve to sell anything at all. Another downgraded port that has been delayed several times. It would be funny in an ironic way, but I don't see that happen either, nor do I think they deserve that.

I'd rather see exclusive third party games. Multiplatform games don't work for the Wii U, as the Wii U will always get the inferior version.

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k8sMum

Spoony_Tech wrote:

Only a Wii U here and I'm 41. I think he's more off base then he realizes. Also I don't think women in general make the gaming decisions.

Let's not go there.

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k8sMum wrote:

Spoony_Tech wrote:

Only a Wii U here and I'm 41. I think he's more off base then he realizes. Also I don't think women in general make the gaming decisions.

Let's not go there.

You're in the vast minority as I know no one that this is true for. Everyone I know the guys makes these decisions because for the most part their wives don't care as long aas they are age appropriate that is.

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MERG said:

If I was only ever able to have Monster Hunter and EO games in the future, I would be a happy man.

WHAT IS RETRO DOING??!!

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Even the mere apparent necessity of a campaign described in the original post proves the opposite point.

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Spoony_Tech wrote:

k8sMum wrote:

Spoony_Tech wrote:

Only a Wii U here and I'm 41. I think he's more off base then he realizes. Also I don't think women in general make the gaming decisions.

Let's not go there.

You're in the vast minority as I know no one that this is true for. Everyone I know the guys makes these decisions because for the most part their wives don't care as long aas they are age appropriate that is.

Wasn't there just a report that mentioned that women are now a bigger chunk of the gaming market than med?

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Blast

Hernandez wrote:

Blast wrote:

Hernandez wrote:

Sadly, this will make absolutely no difference. Especially since Bayonetta 2 is a Nintendo-funded project.

The creator(s) of this "operation" didn't think things through. Watch Dogs would've been a much smarter option. I guarantee if that went on to sell like 2 million copies on the Wii U, Ubisoft would come crawling back. That would have a huge impact, not this.

If only Watch Dogs wasn't overhyped. If only there wasn't multiple popular videos on Youtube about how Watch Dogs was overhyped and overrated. If only Watch Dogs wasn't marketed as a rival to GTA V..... But Watch Dogs sold really well on alotta platforms, right? Right? RIGHT?! Do you see my point, man? Overhyped game sold really well!

It's literally the last chance you have. Apparently, the game isn't exactly a masterpiece, but if it doesn't sell well it's bye bye Ubisoft. For real, this time.

If, for some reason, it actually managed to be a hit on the Wii U, Ubisoft would be forced to reconsider their strategy and support the console in the future. And since Ubi is such a major player in the gaming industry, other companies would probably follow suit. The impact would be tremendous.

As I said before, the creator of this operation is wasting everyone's time. It's not Bayonetta, a "second-party" title, that needs record sales...

Games like Rayman will still hit Wii U but games like Splinter Cell and other "mature" titles will go away.

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