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Samurai_Goroh

iKhan wrote:

What's a better explanation for why games like Sonic and Rayman do fine on Nintendo platforms, but games like CoD and manhunt sell like crap.

Wait, CoD and Manhunt sell like crap? They are crap, it's only fitting. Rayman games tend to be quite good, Sonic is a little bit hit and miss but it's fairly decent.

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unrandomsam

Rare proved you can make an exclusive if you are good enough new ip or not and sell pretty much as many copies as Nintendo.

Rayman did worse than ZombiU anyway which means if you want to do something on a Nintendo platform make it exclusive.

All the other exclusives also have held their value far better than the ported rubbish.

The only time I think it is worthwhile supporting a company is if they are making games you really want that nobody else is.

Otherwise you should act in your own best interests just like they do making the rubbish games they do and take advantage that it will be 1/5th of RRP within 3 months for your average PoS multiplatform game.

Or get it on Steam if you want to actually play it properly at 1080p/60fps and looking nice. (Or even try it out without wasting money and stop playing it after realising what garbage it is anyway).

Nintendo get it now or a year from now the cost will be about the same 99% of the time so there is no reason to ever wait. (And they don't do GOTY versions).

Platinum make button mashing games. The same game if it had a combat system more like a fighting game (That actively stopped button mashing working) would be much better and I would probably like them.

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SkywardLink98

FeedingTheWheel wrote:

To be more specific, it was Ubisoft who said "mature" titles don't sell on Nintendo systems, so using Bayonetta 2 as the example makes more sense.

To be honest, I can't blame Ubisoft for saying that. Looking at Call of Duty: Ghosts sales numbers, it sold far better on the PS4 than on the Wii U in terms of percentage of userbase. 2.47 million PS4 sales, 0.17 million Wii U sales according to VGChartz.
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2.47 million copies of Ghosts sold, with only 9.39 million PS4s sold says ~26% of PS4 users bought it (if my math is correct). 0.17 million copies of Ghost sold, with only 6.91 million Wii Us sold says ~0.02% of Wii U owners bought CoD:Ghosts. Hopefully Bayonetta 2 can be the exception to this rule, because if it isn't it won't bode well for the future of 3rd parties on Wii U.

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IceClimbers

@iKhan It's worth mentioning that Miyamoto has said that Nintendo has failed to sell the Wii U to kids and families. They tried that. It didn't work. Kids are content with their tablets or will stay away from Nintendo because they want to be seen as "mature" in front of their peers, so they will instead play CoD and AC on Xbox and PlayStation. Nintendo's audience (on both handheld and console) has been reduced to core Nintendo fans, fanboys, and regular gamers who come back to Nintendo because they want something different than the typical AAA stuff on Xbox and PS.

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sub12

So true that your average 10 year old would rather be playing COD over the next big Wii U title.

I was the same way when the Gamecube came out, I was 14, and I found the concepts of Toon Link, Pikmin, and FLUDD Mario to be appalling and lame. Give me Halo, Unreal, GTA, etc. last year I played the HD version of Windwaker and I really appreciated what Nintendo was aiming for.

That being said, if Kyoto chooses to focus a bit more on the mature titles, all the better, the big N needs a bit more variety anyways. That's what made the N64 so appealing, on one side you had Super Mario 64, Diddy Kong Racing, Banjo-Kazooie, and Pokemon............on the other side you had Turok, Goldeneye 007, Perfect Dark, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron..........it was a great mix.

The move by Nintendo to publish Bayonetta 2 was pretty awesome though, hopefully they keep on working with Platinum.

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iKhan

IceClimbers wrote:

@iKhan It's worth mentioning that Miyamoto has said that Nintendo has failed to sell the Wii U to kids and families. They tried that. It didn't work. Kids are content with their tablets or will stay away from Nintendo because they want to be seen as "mature" in front of their peers, so they will instead play CoD and AC on Xbox and PlayStation. Nintendo's audience (on both handheld and console) has been reduced to core Nintendo fans, fanboys, and regular gamers who come back to Nintendo because they want something different than the typical AAA stuff on Xbox and PS.

When I say kids, I mean kids 12 and under. As someone who plays tablet, console, handheld, and casual gaming, they are all different experiences. A family friend of ours has a Wii and an Xbox One, although he also plays on Tablets. My sister loves playing on a tablet, but when she wants an experience of a larger scope, she plays Mario Kart 7 or Pokemon X on her 2DS.

When Miyamoto says they haven't sold the Wii U to kids and families, I think what he is trying to say is that those audiences are usually the ones that buy Nintendo systems in droves, and they aren't doing that right now. The Wii U is failing to sell to everyone right now, and Miyamoto thinks the best way to improve sales is to appeal to those audiences that usually buy Nintendo consoles

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@iKhan Problem is, why would parents buy their kid a Wii U when they can buy them a cheap tablet that can play apps that are 99c or free? Sure, they're different experiences, but most parents simply don't care because they will save money and the kids will just learn to deal with it. There's also the parents who will say "You already have a Wii and never use it, why should I buy you another?". Last holiday season, surveys said that the Wii U was at the top of kids' want lists. They didn't get the Wii U - they got a tablet instead.

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iKhan

IceClimbers wrote:

@iKhan Problem is, why would parents buy their kid a Wii U when they can buy them a cheap tablet that can play apps that are 99c or free? Sure, they're different experiences, but most parents simply don't care because they will save money and the kids will just learn to deal with it. There's also the parents who will say "You already have a Wii and never use it, why should I buy you another?". Last holiday season, surveys said that the Wii U was at the top of kids' want lists. They didn't get the Wii U - they got a tablet instead.

What kids have a Wii and never use it?

Most good parents buy their kids what they are asking for (when they do choose to buy them something). They don't just buy a tablet to shut them up. Also, you act as if cheap tablets are selling like hotcakes. It's generally the more expensive Tablets that sell well, because people want quality over quantity. And those Tablets generally serve as family devices. I don't know anyone who has kids who have their own tablets for playing games.

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IceClimbers

@iKhan There are plenty of kids who have tablets to play games on. There's a reason the full console version of Skylanders Trap Team is coming to tablets. The sad reality is that there are more and more kids who only play games on tablets.

@Hernandez The operation isn't intended to make Ubisoft and other 3rd parties come back. It's intended to prove a point that M-rated games can sell on Nintendo and to get Bayonetta 2 to sell as much as possible. The creator did think things through.

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clvr

To be honest I don't actually think this Operation Platinum might change anything since it's a die-hard-Nintendo-fans-driven project (sorry for all those "-" XD), and Ubisoft has proved deaf by the Ninty ear so far. However, I'm gonna buy Bayonetta 2 as it's been on my must-buy list for quite some time; what I mean is it's good if it can help turn around this awkward 3rd party issue, but first of all I intend to buy it because it'll surely be a great game. I don't think we Nintendo fans have anything to prove, especially to those who seem to care more about their wallets than the quality of their videogames and their relations with gamers.

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SCRAPPER392

No one should be obligated to buy anything. Just buy what you want.

All that matters is that Wii U owners are the only fanbase that can buy it, because we all know PS4 and Xbox One only owners would buy it if they could. If people want Bayonetta 2 bad enough, they'll buy a Wii U. If they don't, then I guess they don't care enough to buy a platform for a game they want, which is the entire point.

EDIT: Another scenario would be that people don't care about Bayonetta 2. In that case, it doesn't matter what platform it is on, if any.

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iKhan

IceClimbers wrote:

@iKhan There are plenty of kids who have tablets to play games on. There's a reason the full console version of Skylanders Trap Team is coming to tablets. The sad reality is that there are more and more kids who only play games on tablets.

Having tablets the play on=/=having a personal cheap tablet.

I'm not saying more kids aren't playing on Tablets exclusively. I'm saying it's not as huge as people say it is, and that they are still very much playing on home consoles.

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Aviator

IceClimbers wrote:

Not interested in the game? That's fine. You can still do your part and spread the word.

Why?

Because I bought a Wii U I have to spread the word about every single game Nintendo has decided to release on the console? That is ridiculous.

I'm sick of the notion that if you buy a console, suddenly your tied to that console for life and you must do everything in your power for it to rein supreme over everything else.

I buy my consoles to play games, not to participate in some petty online power struggle.

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Peach64

This is very noble, but it's a little weird to me. The people that visit gaming websites and post on message boards already love Bayonetta and will be buying it without any social media campaign. The first game was huge amongst that crowd of people, just like Wonderful 101 and Vanquish were huge with that crowd, but they're all commercial flops. The problem is, people like us don't really matter. To be a success, a game needs to sell to an audience much bigger than us.

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AugustusOxy

iKhan wrote:

IceClimbers wrote:

@iKhan There are plenty of kids who have tablets to play games on. There's a reason the full console version of Skylanders Trap Team is coming to tablets. The sad reality is that there are more and more kids who only play games on tablets.

Having tablets the play on=/=having a personal cheap tablet.

I'm not saying more kids aren't playing on Tablets exclusively. I'm saying it's not as huge as people say it is, and that they are still very much playing on home consoles.

More people aren't playing tablets/cellphone games, they are just spending more on them. I.E. Micro-transactions and such.

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Hy8ogen

The game is looking very good so far. However I will not buy it day 1. I'll be waiting for reviews before pulling the trigger.

@AviatorI I don't know either. Like you I just want to play the games. If it's on the Wii U? Great! If it's not? Buy the system that it is on. However making game available on both platforms is also nice though, it gives us more choice as a consumer.

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Blast

Hernandez wrote:

Sadly, this will make absolutely no difference. Especially since Bayonetta 2 is a Nintendo-funded project.

The creator(s) of this "operation" didn't think things through. Watch Dogs would've been a much smarter option. I guarantee if that went on to sell like 2 million copies on the Wii U, Ubisoft would come crawling back. That would have a huge impact, not this.

If only Watch Dogs wasn't overhyped. If only there wasn't multiple popular videos on Youtube about how Watch Dogs was overhyped and overrated. If only Watch Dogs wasn't marketed as a rival to GTA V..... But Watch Dogs sold really well on alotta platforms, right? Right? RIGHT?! Do you see my point, man? Overhyped game sold really well!

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Captain_Toad

I don't know/care that much about the outcome of this movement but just buy the game and mention the movement anyway. Heh, heh. Just having both games within it just seals the deal.

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Caryslan

This sounds like a good idea and all, but there is one thing that kinda derails this plan. Ubisoft, EA, and Activision will simply shrug their shoulders and claim that the only reason why Bayonetta 2 sold a million or more copies was because Nintendo was involved as the publisher. In their eyes it won't prove a thing since Bayonetta 2 was supported by Nintendo, and their games did not have that luxury. It would only reinforce their argument that games only sale on Nintendo platforms if Nintendo's name is on the box.

Is it fair? No, but they will look for any excuse they can find. What we need is a "M" rated title that does not have any involvement from Nintendo to be a massive success. That might just change minds

But Bayonetta 2 won't change third-parties minds since they can play the "Well, it only sold because Nintendo was involved. Which proves that M rated games will only sell to Nintendo fans if Nintendo's name is on the box."

Sadly, the success of Bayonetta will not really not change anything.

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