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Ark

IceClimbers wrote:

We don't blindly buy games just because Nintendo publishes it. Paper Mario Sticker Star is cold hard proof of that.

This example perplexes me, given that Sticker Star outsold all its predecessors in Japan in a few months. Globally, it surpassed the original and is en route to dethrone The Thousand Year Door (if it has not done so already with digital sales factored in), leaving only Super Paper Mario at the top. Super Paper Mario was similarly criticized, albeit possibly not to the same extent.

What were you trying to articulate with that example?

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Jazzer94

IceClimbers wrote:

Jazzer94 wrote:

This won't bring back 3rd parties just buy the game if you want to don't get it for any other reason.

Bringing back 3rd parties isn't the point of the movement. The reason the movement was created was to prove 3rd parties wrong and show that we can support M-rated titles on Nintendo. If anything, it gives support for Platinum, who absolutely deserves it, and it shows Nintendo that they weren't wrong for funding games like this.

Then the movement has already failed.

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Dave24

What a pointless thing to do. For one it is obvious that Bayonetta 2 will be awesome, because Platinum and not that many games for U, so obviously there will be sales to be made, second it's not 3rd party, and third one million copies sold is excatly why the sequel got canned in the first place.

So yeah... This thing is entirely and truely pointless

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IceClimbers

Ark wrote:

IceClimbers wrote:

We don't blindly buy games just because Nintendo publishes it. Paper Mario Sticker Star is cold hard proof of that.

This example perplexes me, given that Sticker Star outsold all its predecessors in Japan in a few months. Globally, it surpassed the original and is en route to dethrone The Thousand Year Door (if it has not done so already with digital sales factored in), leaving only Super Paper Mario at the top. Super Paper Mario was similarly criticized, albeit probably not as much.

What were you trying to articulate?

Ok, Sticker Star was a horrible example.

Anyways, people support Operation Platinum to give Platinum support. I don't care about proving 3rd parties wrong (though it's a good propaganda piece). Or look at it this way: Support the operation to show Nintendo that we are interested in more games like this and that they weren't wrong for funding it.

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Dave24 wrote:

What a pointless thing to do. For one it is obvious that Bayonetta 2 will be awesome, because Platinum and not that many games for U, so obviously there will be sales to be made, second it's not 3rd party, and third one million copies sold is excatly why the sequel got canned in the first place.

So yeah... This thing is entirely and truely pointless

Not to mention that PlatinumGames does not have to take the financial aspect of it all in to account while developing their title, which is what I would assume is the biggest problem for 3rd party developers on the WiiU.. Nintendo is paying for the development & will take the hit if it sells poorly. Far from every publisher or 3rd party developer can afford to take a hit or lose money on their projects.

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IceClimbers

Jazzer94 wrote:

IceClimbers wrote:

Jazzer94 wrote:

This won't bring back 3rd parties just buy the game if you want to don't get it for any other reason.

Bringing back 3rd parties isn't the point of the movement. The reason the movement was created was to prove 3rd parties wrong and show that we can support M-rated titles on Nintendo. If anything, it gives support for Platinum, who absolutely deserves it, and it shows Nintendo that they weren't wrong for funding games like this.

Then the movement has already failed.

Far from. The movement, if anything, is to raise awareness of Bayo 2 and get people to buy the game. The more sales, the better. If this gets the game to sell enough to not be considered a failure in Nintendo's eyes, then the movement succeeded, as Nintendo will be more inclined to fund games like this instead of reverting back to Mario/Zelda constantly.

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IceClimbers

Dave24 wrote:

What a pointless thing to do. For one it is obvious that Bayonetta 2 will be awesome, because Platinum and not that many games for U, so obviously there will be sales to be made, second it's not 3rd party, and third one million copies sold is excatly why the sequel got canned in the first place.

So yeah... This thing is entirely and truely pointless

The sequel was canned initially because it sold a million copies across two systems with 80 million+ install bases. Selling a million on one system with a 6-7 million install base is far different.

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sinalefa

To prove Ubi$oft that a M rated game can be profitable, it would need to sell around 10 million copies. As has been said, Zombi U did awesome for a new IP that did not look that good, was buggy, did not get good reviews, was a launch title, etc. And they said it was not profitable and canned sequels.

I still support the Operation, because great games like Bayo 2 should do great in profits, and it is a way to prove Nintendo was right to make this sequel happen. The fact that they went the extra mile to have an enhanced port of the first one in the same package at no extra cost should be commended as well.

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Jazzer94

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Far from. The movement, if anything, is to raise awareness of Bayo 2

The games has been hyped up for a couple of years now there is already awareness which this movement won't add much too.

IceClimbers wrote:

and get people to buy the game. The more sales, the better. If this gets the game to sell enough to not be considered a failure in Nintendo's eyes, then the movement succeeded, as Nintendo will be more inclined to fund games like this instead of reverting back to Mario/Zelda constantly.

As I said people will buy what they want to play you can't force them.

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Punished_Boss_84

Wait a second? Isn't this Nintendo's job? Stop stealing their jobs!

Someone mentioned The Wonderful 101, Ninty never marketed that title, I just hope they market Bayonetta 2.

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IceClimbers wrote:

Ark wrote:

IceClimbers wrote:

We don't blindly buy games just because Nintendo publishes it. Paper Mario Sticker Star is cold hard proof of that.

This example perplexes me, given that Sticker Star outsold all its predecessors in Japan in a few months. Globally, it surpassed the original and is en route to dethrone The Thousand Year Door (if it has not done so already with digital sales factored in), leaving only Super Paper Mario at the top. Super Paper Mario was similarly criticized, albeit probably not as much.

What were you trying to articulate?

Ok, Sticker Star was a horrible example.

Anyways, people support Operation Platinum to give Platinum support. I don't care about proving 3rd parties wrong (though it's a good propaganda piece). Or look at it this way: Support the operation to show Nintendo that we are interested in more games like this and that they weren't wrong for funding it.

But what if we aren't interested in games like this or more of them? I for one don't care about this game and won't be buying it.

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I'd rather have Watch Dogs at this point.

However I'm glad we are getting both versions of Bayonette for the U. I'll get it cheap though as I'm interested but don't need it day one.

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While I'm usually against "social movements", I think the guy has a fair point in pushing people to create the hype that the media world is denying to WiiU. Everytime there's a new big game in the pipeline, there's a lot of buzz on websites and youtube, with previews, teasers, trailers, videos, let's plays etc. I don't see much of the same hype for WiiU titles - no matter how good they are. And it's not Nintendo's fault because much of the hype is simply relevant websites/youtubers contaging other people with their excitement.

Yes the game it's been hyped among people who already own a WiiU and follow the news, but if it stays within our inner circle it's useless.
Everyone who does youtube videos should do a video where they explain how awesome this game is obviously going to be.

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I still won't buy a game unless it appeals to me. I frankly couldn't care less for the "3rd party support"

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JusticeDragon

BinaryFragger wrote:

IceClimbers wrote:

The reason the movement was created was to prove 3rd parties wrong and show that we can support M-rated titles on Nintendo.

A lot of people complained about the lack of M-rated titles for the Wii back in the day, so Platinum made MadWorld. The game got great reviews but was a sales flop. Same with GTA: Chinatown Wars on the DS; excellent reviews, terrible sales numbers.
Third-parties are correct in thinking that M-rated titles sell poorly on Nintendo platforms. They have the numbers to prove it.

Its because they never advertise any of them third party's don't want Nintendo to succeed they want the Big N out of the industry

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iKhan

I hate to burst everyone's bubble, but this movement won't work.

From what I see, it's all the people who were going to buy Bayonetta 2 anyway just uniting and talking about the game. But I think people are misunderstanding WHY mature 3rd Party games don't sell on Nintendo systems.

Let's start with multiplats.
You have to admit, if you are a Nintendo fan who likes multiplat games, you probably have another console from another company. A 3rd Party company doesn't care if you buy a multiplat game on Wii U or PS4, so they make their decision to put their game on Wii U based on the system's EXCLUSIVE base. The people who ONLY own a Wii U. And that base is mostly kids and women from 25-34. i.e. not people who will buy Assassin's Creed.

Now lets look at exclusives. I'd argue the reason exclusive mature games don't sell well on Nintendo systems is because of the REASONS people buy Nintendo systems. They buy them for Nintendo games that have a sense of familiarity. Something new and risky is what they look for more in their Sony and Microsoft system. And to put it bluntly, I don't think you can change these people's minds. People who have decided to buy Bayonetta will buy it, and people who haven't won't.

Now that all said, I do believe that Bayonetta will exceed expectations. The franchise is more familiar than other 3rd Party Nintendo exclusives, and Nintendo has heavily stressed and promoted the game, to the point where a lot of people have bought a Wii U for the game. Maybe not a million, but probably a solid 500K.

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@iKhan Kids and women are mostly the only people who own the Wiiu? That oh my god if i can say what i want to say to your sentence i would but i can't cause never mind.But really kids and women who in gods name told you that? Seriously it's men, kids,teens and maybe women who own the system.But it's weird i'm not a kid or a women but i own the Wiiu what does that make me?

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@iKhan Kids and women are mostly the only people who own the Wiiu? That oh my god if i can say what i want to say to your sentence i would but i can't cause never mind.But really kids and women who in gods name told you that? Seriously it's men, kids,teens and maybe women who own the system.But it's weird i'm not a kid or a women but i own the Wiiu what does that make me?

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iKhan

midnafanboy wrote:

@iKhan Kids and women are mostly the only people who own the Wiiu? That oh my god if i can say what i want to say to your sentence i would but i can't cause never mind.But really kids and women who in gods name told you that? Seriously it's men, kids,teens and maybe women who own the system.But it's weird i'm not a kid or a women but i own the Wiiu what does that make me?

Those were the two biggest demographics with the Wii. Also, you see kid friendly and casual games sell pretty well on Nintendo systems including the Wii U, even if they are 3rd party. It's a lot better of an explanation than "Nintendo fans don't buy 3rd Party game just cus"

Also, I never said those were the only people who had a Wii U. I said those were the people who had ONLY a Wii U and not a PS360 or PS4 or XB1.

EDIT: I'm not trying to generalize here. I myself only have a Wii, with no PS360, PS4, XB1, or Wii U. I am saying that's the MAJORITY of that group that only owns a Nintendo system. That's really the most logical reasoning behind why Mature 3rd Party multiplats don't sell on Nintendo systems. Just saying "Oh Nintendo fans don't buy 3rd Party games" is really sweeping generalization, and I don't think it's accurate.

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