Ok, then reading the last comments I am even more convinced that the biggest problem here is the "conservatorism" of the majority of Nintento fans...
Here we are not talking about deliberately support 3rd parties just randomly buy titles from them... Here is more a "please amuse me in the way I wanna be amused"... which is essentially "gimme tons of 2d platformers with cartoonish graphics and kindergarten environment". Because guys, honestly, Mario, Zelda, Kirby and company are all great games and franchises, with which I spent countless hours of fun... but hey, that is not the only stuff you could have fun with...
Whoa, slow down there..I think you're doing what a lot of people do when criticizing Nintendo...and that is holding them and their fans to a different standard. The truth is, the other two major consoles are having their own content related problems right now too. It was recently revealed only 4/10 Playstation games make money, and the typical primary Xbox or Playstation gamer seems just as "conservative" when buying only certain genres of games from certain publishers.
The primary difference being that they don't have a single publisher putting out the consistent number of games at the level of quality Nintendo does.
Look, we have The Last of Us remastered and Uncharted 4 coming to Playstation 4...along with all the same franchises in endless sequels and annual installments from the few big third party developers. Xbox is bringing us Halo remasters and the third party sequels too, but they actually seem to be pushing a few unique games like Sunset Overdrive...time will tell if those bomb for being too different from the "Battlefield: Call of Halo's Creed" franchises that seem to be the only kind of games hat really sell well anymore.
I will grant you that Nintendo should spread their focus out a little more and do more to bring in some key third party titles. They don't need to go all out and try to get EA and other western devs on board, but I think your idea that Nintendo fans only want "kindergarten environments" is pretty insulting.
Ok, then reading the last comments I am even more convinced that the biggest problem here is the "conservatorism" of the majority of Nintento fans...
Here we are not talking about deliberately support 3rd parties just randomly buy titles from them... Here is more a "please amuse me in the way I wanna be amused"... which is essentially "gimme tons of 2d platformers with cartoonish graphics and kindergarten environment". Because guys, honestly, Mario, Zelda, Kirby and company are all great games and franchises, with which I spent countless hours of fun... but hey, that is not the only stuff you could have fun with...
Whoa, slow down there..I think you're doing what a lot of people do when criticizing Nintendo...and that is holding them and their fans to a different standard. The truth is, the other two major consoles are having their own content related problems right now too. It was recently revealed only 4/10 Playstation games make money, and the typical primary Xbox or Playstation gamer seems just as "conservative" when buying only certain genres of games from certain publishers.
The primary difference being that they don't have a single publisher putting out the consistent number of games at the level of quality Nintendo does.
Look, we have The Last of Us remastered and Uncharted 4 coming to Playstation 4...along with all the same franchises in endless sequels and annual installments from the few big third party developers. Xbox is bringing us Halo remasters and the third party sequels too, but they actually seem to be pushing a few unique games like Sunset Overdrive...time will tell if those bomb for being too different from the "Battlefield: Call of Halo's Creed" franchises that seem to be the only kind of games hat really sell well anymore.
I will grant you that Nintendo should spread their focus out a little more and do more to bring in some key third party titles. They don't need to go all out and try to get EA and other western devs on board, but I think your idea that Nintendo fans only want "kindergarten environments" is pretty insulting.
Of course the other consoles have the "other way round problem" with tons of dude bro games... and being on a nintendo forum, and owning a Wii U (And wii be4), I would refer specificly to what I observe in Nintendo fanworld....
Talking about kindergarten environments, you may like it or not, but, as someone else said before on the same topic, "numbers don't lies"....and i (virtually) met a lot of Nintendo lovers that say that games like devil third (check even the suprise when people discovered after e3 that the game was codeveloped by N), MAdworld or even a gta or a COD are too violent for them... now, I find pretty clear that the majority here like more, if not only, this kindergarten environment.... said that, I don't mean it is necessary bad (I love this too....).... but to me, still sounds a little narrow minded....
Ok, then reading the last comments I am even more convinced that the biggest problem here is the "conservatorism" of the majority of Nintento fans...
Here we are not talking about deliberately support 3rd parties just randomly buying titles from them... Here is more a "please amuse me in the way I wanna be amused"... which is essentially "gimme tons of 2d platformers with cartoonish graphics and kindergarten environment". Because guys, honestly, Mario, Zelda, Kirby and company are all great games and franchises, with which I spent countless hours of fun... but hey, that is not the only stuff you could have fun with...
What about spending time and energy customizing your car and learning to get the best from it in a proper rac-sim like Gran Turismo, or sailing the seas on a boat feeling like a real, free pirate (talking about AC IV here, what a great game, and an underrated port to WiiU), or having some fun with a proper, well made shooter online (Call of Duty, just pick one of them, I know, now they are too many and very similar to each other, but just try one, is bloody fun once you learn to not be a noob.... if they sell so well, there are some reason, no?).... and I can continue.
While here, and W101 seems to proove it, if it is not "what I expect from a Ninty console", then must be crap, cos it lacks the "Nintendo taste"... this is, don't be offended (It is just free thought), a very "narrow minded" beahviour....
To support this thesis, give yourself some time to watch this very interesting video, from a great youtuber...
Whilst I agree with the video you have posted, I fail to see how that has any connection with the comment you made. The Game Theorists explained how gamers don't want innovative games, and rather play a sequel of a familiar game, whereas you just recommended Gran Turismo, Assassin's Creed, and Call of Duty. Basically providing living proof for the claim made in the video.
However the same thing can be said about the PS4 and Xbox One as well. They do get the third party games, because that is all they have, but how many platformer games fare well on those systems? What about puzzle games, adventure games, party games, RPG's, action games, how many of those fare well on the PS4 and Xbox One? Basically none compared to all the FPS games, and the occasional sports or racing game. If you want to complain about something, you should look at both sides of the story.
Ok, then reading the last comments I am even more convinced that the biggest problem here is the "conservatorism" of the majority of Nintento fans...
Here we are not talking about deliberately support 3rd parties just randomly buy titles from them... Here is more a "please amuse me in the way I wanna be amused"... which is essentially "gimme tons of 2d platformers with cartoonish graphics and kindergarten environment". Because guys, honestly, Mario, Zelda, Kirby and company are all great games and franchises, with which I spent countless hours of fun... but hey, that is not the only stuff you could have fun with...
Whoa, slow down there..I think you're doing what a lot of people do when criticizing Nintendo...and that is holding them and their fans to a different standard. The truth is, the other two major consoles are having their own content related problems right now too. It was recently revealed only 4/10 Playstation games make money, and the typical primary Xbox or Playstation gamer seems just as "conservative" when buying only certain genres of games from certain publishers.
The primary difference being that they don't have a single publisher putting out the consistent number of games at the level of quality Nintendo does.
Look, we have The Last of Us remastered and Uncharted 4 coming to Playstation 4...along with all the same franchises in endless sequels and annual installments from the few big third party developers. Xbox is bringing us Halo remasters and the third party sequels too, but they actually seem to be pushing a few unique games like Sunset Overdrive...time will tell if those bomb for being too different from the "Battlefield: Call of Halo's Creed" franchises that seem to be the only kind of games hat really sell well anymore.
I will grant you that Nintendo should spread their focus out a little more and do more to bring in some key third party titles. They don't need to go all out and try to get EA and other western devs on board, but I think your idea that Nintendo fans only want "kindergarten environments" is pretty insulting.
Of course the other consoles have the "other way round problem" with tons of dude bro games... and being on a nintendo forum, and owning a Wii U (And wii be4), I would refer specificly to what I observe in Nintendo fanworld....
Talking about kindergarten environments, you may like it or not, but, as someone else said before on the same topic, "numbers don't lies"....and i (virtually) met a lot of Nintendo lovers that say that games like devil third (check even the suprise when people discovered after e3 that the game was codeveloped by N), MAdworld or even a gta or a COD are too violent for them... now, I find pretty clear that the majority here like more, if not only, this kindergarten environment.... said that, I don't mean it is necessary bad (I love this too....).... but to me, still sounds a little narrow minded....
Sounds like the problem is you're looking at things very black and white. If it's not a grey-brown violent shooter...it's "kindergarten" to you?
Ok, then reading the last comments I am even more convinced that the biggest problem here is the "conservatorism" of the majority of Nintento fans...
Here we are not talking about deliberately support 3rd parties just randomly buying titles from them... Here is more a "please amuse me in the way I wanna be amused"... which is essentially "gimme tons of 2d platformers with cartoonish graphics and kindergarten environment". Because guys, honestly, Mario, Zelda, Kirby and company are all great games and franchises, with which I spent countless hours of fun... but hey, that is not the only stuff you could have fun with...
What about spending time and energy customizing your car and learning to get the best from it in a proper rac-sim like Gran Turismo, or sailing the seas on a boat feeling like a real, free pirate (talking about AC IV here, what a great game, and an underrated port to WiiU), or having some fun with a proper, well made shooter online (Call of Duty, just pick one of them, I know, now they are too many and very similar to each other, but just try one, is bloody fun once you learn to not be a noob.... if they sell so well, there are some reason, no?).... and I can continue.
While here, and W101 seems to proove it, if it is not "what I expect from a Ninty console", then must be crap, cos it lacks the "Nintendo taste"... this is, don't be offended (It is just free thought), a very "narrow minded" beahviour....
To support this thesis, give yourself some time to watch this very interesting video, from a great youtuber...
Whilst I agree with the video you have posted, I fail to see how that has any connection with the comment you made. The Game Theorists explained how gamers don't want innovative games, and rather play a sequel of a familiar game, whereas you just recommended Gran Turismo, Assassin's Creed, and Call of Duty. Basically providing living proof for the claim made in the video.
However the same thing can be said about the PS4 and Xbox One as well. They do get the third party games, because that is all they have, but how many platformer games fare well on those systems? What about puzzle games, adventure games, party games, RPG's, action games, how many of those fare well on the PS4 and Xbox One? Basically none compared to all the FPS games, and the occasional sports or racing game. If you want to complain about something, you should look at both sides of the story.
I just cited examples of games which are "foreigners" on Nintendo Console and are still pretty fun to be played and pretty well known to be good examples... I agree with you that the problem is spread out on both consoles.... one side is dude bro who think N games are for kids, one the other you have Nfanboy who thinks COD is not a game, too grey etc etc....
I find this very amusing, and sadly true, finding myself having fun with the all spectra of games (from 3d World to COD:Ghosts)... I was really hoping that WiiU would have been the perfect console to have a decent mix, but it will not... and I also find it out that is not only the developers to be blamed for, but also a vast part of the users.... good ports of "dudebro" games such NFS:Most Wanted, DEus EX, COD:Black ops 2 and Ghosts etc etc sold so poorly on the console...
Ok, then reading the last comments I am even more convinced that the biggest problem here is the "conservatorism" of the majority of Nintento fans...
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Whoa, slow down there.....
Talking about kindergarten environments,....
Sounds like the problem is you're looking at things very black and white. If it's not a grey-brown violent shooter...it's "kindergarten" to you?
Okay then...moving on...
No, it is exactly the other way round, sorry if I didn't explain myself clearly (English is not my mother tongue as you can guess)... I really find that the videogame world nowaday is like that.... looks like Nintendo and PSBox stays in two different, not intercommunicated, world... and every trials to breach the wall in between (read: ports of best sellers from PSXbox in this specific case) kind of fail... I think it would be the same the other way round (Blasphemy: Super MArio port on PS4)... and it looks pity to me... and my whole point is that, many times, we like to blame the developers, but I start thinking that the real one to blame are ourselves....
Ok, then reading the last comments I am even more convinced that the biggest problem here is the "conservatorism" of the majority of Nintento fans...
Here we are not talking about deliberately support 3rd parties just randomly buying titles from them... Here is more a "please amuse me in the way I wanna be amused"... which is essentially "gimme tons of 2d platformers with cartoonish graphics and kindergarten environment". Because guys, honestly, Mario, Zelda, Kirby and company are all great games and franchises, with which I spent countless hours of fun... but hey, that is not the only stuff you could have fun with...
What about spending time and energy customizing your car and learning to get the best from it in a proper rac-sim like Gran Turismo, or sailing the seas on a boat feeling like a real, free pirate (talking about AC IV here, what a great game, and an underrated port to WiiU), or having some fun with a proper, well made shooter online (Call of Duty, just pick one of them, I know, now they are too many and very similar to each other, but just try one, is bloody fun once you learn to not be a noob.... if they sell so well, there are some reason, no?).... and I can continue.
While here, and W101 seems to proove it, if it is not "what I expect from a Ninty console", then must be crap, cos it lacks the "Nintendo taste"... this is, don't be offended (It is just free thought), a very "narrow minded" beahviour....
To support this thesis, give yourself some time to watch this very interesting video, from a great youtuber...
Whilst I agree with the video you have posted, I fail to see how that has any connection with the comment you made. The Game Theorists explained how gamers don't want innovative games, and rather play a sequel of a familiar game, whereas you just recommended Gran Turismo, Assassin's Creed, and Call of Duty. Basically providing living proof for the claim made in the video.
However the same thing can be said about the PS4 and Xbox One as well. They do get the third party games, because that is all they have, but how many platformer games fare well on those systems? What about puzzle games, adventure games, party games, RPG's, action games, how many of those fare well on the PS4 and Xbox One? Basically none compared to all the FPS games, and the occasional sports or racing game. If you want to complain about something, you should look at both sides of the story.
The question is, how many of those genres fare well on the Wii U?
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@Action51 I never knew that Zombi U and MH3U are kindergarten games. Oh well, I guess some of us just doesn't want to grow up eh?
Also if I may add, Wonderful 101 did not do "poorly" on the Wii U, it just didn't performed very well (I blame Nintendo for the non-existent marketing). With 220K + digital, ~= 3% attach rate isn't that appalling in my opinion.
Ok, then reading the last comments I am even more convinced that the biggest problem here is the "conservatorism" of the majority of Nintento fans...
Here we are not talking about deliberately support 3rd parties just randomly buying titles from them... Here is more a "please amuse me in the way I wanna be amused"...
Why else would I buy a game? I want amusement.
which is essentially "gimme tons of 2d platformers with cartoonish graphics and kindergarten environment". Because guys, honestly, Mario, Zelda, Kirby and company are all great games and franchises, with which I spent countless hours of fun... but hey, that is not the only stuff you could have fun with...
At the same time, I can generalize that all Xbox fans want is the same shooter game over and over again. Let me speak what they all want!
What about spending time and energy customizing your car and learning to get the best from it in a proper rac-sim like Gran Turismo, or sailing the seas on a boat feeling like a real, free pirate (talking about AC IV here, what a great game, and an underrated port to WiiU), or having some fun with a proper, well made shooter online (Call of Duty, just pick one of them, I know, now they are too many and very similar to each other, but just try one, is bloody fun once you learn to not be a noob.... if they sell so well, there are some reason, no?).... and I can continue.
Except they don't appeal to me, and don't speak like they are supposed to.
While here, and W101 seems to proove it, if it is not "what I expect from a Ninty console", then must be crap, cos it lacks the "Nintendo taste"... this is, don't be offended (It is just free thought), a very "narrow minded" beahviour....
I'm sorry I don't have unlimited funds to try out all games on every system. So I must try not focusing on stuff that I know I'll like. Let me pay money for something like Final Fantasy XIII, a game that was highly praised and yet I hated with a passion.
Also if I may add, Wonderful 101 did not do "poorly" on the Wii U, it just didn't performed very well (I blame Nintendo for the non-existent marketing). With 220K + digital, ~= 3% attach rate isn't that appalling in my opinion.
for the record, Nintendo did a lot to promote W101 - an exclusive Nintendo Direct, a lengthy demo and even a huge discount if you bought Pikmin 3. Summer 2013 was as much about Pikmin 3 as it was about Wonderful 101, so you can't really blame Nintendo for that. People downloaded the demo, didn't give themself enough time to "get the concept" and ended up thinking the game was sh*te. I don't know of one single gamer who bought the game and didn't think it was brilliant.
Beside, I don't like the "I only buy games I'm 100% positive I'm going to like". Granted, nobody has unlimited funds, but you're going to miss out on some exceptional stuff just because you're not willing to give it a try. If you only buy games/franchises you know you're going to love, then why the hell should 3rd parties or Nintendo come up with new ideas, IPs or whatever, risking nobody is going to buy their stuff?!
It's important to give some games a chance even if it's not a genre you normally enjoy and if it didn't get much press coverage - especially when people who actually took the gamble are loving it (W101, but it can be Muramasa or Little King's Story). With Miiverse now, you can easily see the reaction of the audience, and that's a good indicator.
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I don't buy interesting games just to support newer IPs and developers. I do it because they seem worth my time and I'm not interested in living an entirely boring and close-minded existence.
I don't buy interesting games just to support newer IPs and developers. I do it because they seem worth my time and I'm not interested in living an entirely boring and close-minded existence.
Pretty much sums it up for me. I've tried new things. I liked some (Rune Factory, Shin Megami Tensei) and some I didn't (Etrian Odyssey and Final Fantasy XIII). I have priorities, and certain titles will be bought first before I try new things. Those titles are the ones that I know I will like
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I mostly buy games I know I will enjoy, yet that never seems to stop me from having an ecclectic mix of games. Maybe I just know my tastes better than other people?
I would like to thanks all the people who intervened in the discussion... I am sorry if anyone felt offended, it was not my reason, i am a Nintendo lover too... It is just that i am exausted on keep reading blames toward devs, when sometimes good ports or good 3rd parties come to our system and they regularly ignored by people, so i am interested to know ur point of view, and of course i believe 90% of ppl here don t suffer of 'fanboysm' of any sort.
My hope is that the game collection on my beloved wii u will grow towards plenty of different gendra... I have still hope for a good racing sim and hopefully some strategic (adv wars U?)... And i hope this game will have good success so ppl can enjoy new experiences!
Also if I may add, Wonderful 101 did not do "poorly" on the Wii U, it just didn't performed very well (I blame Nintendo for the non-existent marketing). With 220K + digital, ~= 3% attach rate isn't that appalling in my opinion.
for the record, Nintendo did a lot to promote W101 - an exclusive Nintendo Direct, a lengthy demo and even a huge discount if you bought Pikmin 3. Summer 2013 was as much about Pikmin 3 as it was about Wonderful 101, so you can't really blame Nintendo for that. People downloaded the demo, didn't give themself enough time to "get the concept" and ended up thinking the game was sh*te. I don't know of one single gamer who bought the game and didn't think it was brilliant.
Beside, I don't like the "I only buy games I'm 100% positive I'm going to like". Granted, nobody has unlimited funds, but you're going to miss out on some exceptional stuff just because you're not willing to give it a try. If you only buy games/franchises you know you're going to love, then why the hell should 3rd parties or Nintendo come up with new ideas, IPs or whatever, risking nobody is going to buy their stuff?!
It's important to give some games a chance even if it's not a genre you normally enjoy and if it didn't get much press coverage - especially when people who actually took the gamble are loving it (W101, but it can be Muramasa or Little King's Story). With Miiverse now, you can easily see the reaction of the audience, and that's a good indicator.
I totally agree with your point (and about W101, personally I was hyped for the game, then the demo kind of sucked, and it was only after 1 year I got the game on discount and I am totally in love with it), it is a similar argument you can say about music, everyone start loving a particular kind, but then if you don't try to "expand" your hear, you'll be forever stuck on what "I know it will amuse me".... for me, hip-hop kinda sucks, but still I love some specific hip hop artists (some for the music, some for the lyrics...). With games is the same... being skeptical "a priori" make you skip true gems...
I have no problem purchasing third party games. In fact I searched my hometown, a large part of Nashville, and three or four other towns to find a new copy of Deus Ex: Human Revolution. I do have a problem paying the same price for a game on Wii U when there is less content than other games. Nintendo has little to no control over stunts like that being pulled by publishers, and from what I read nor do the developers. A steaming pile of poo of a gimped release is a steaming pile regardless, especially if there is no technical reason for it not to be a parity release.
That is the reason I purchased Windwaker HD day one over Batman: Arkham Origins (had they announced the price drop sooner I may have still bought), and only just picked it up used last week. The same with Mass Effect 3: Special Edition, I wasn't paying full price for a game that was gimped compared to the rest of the releases and a rip-off in light of the Trilogy Edition releasing at the same time. It's the reason I refuse to buy another table for Zen Pinball 2 until they fix the bugs and lack of tables (and free table) offered everywhere else. I will eventually purchase the game, but it will not be at the $60 price point they expect.
It's not a big loss IMO,mostly since I have a PS4 along with a Wii U.
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