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WiiUseeker2

GrizzlyArctos wrote:

WiiUseeker2 wrote:

in all deep sincere honesty in my opinion sports games of all kinds have always been garbage.

So they shouldn't be made just because you don't like them?

As for sports games, I generally don't like serious sports games, but I do enjoy Mario sports games, so I wouldn't mind seeing a Mario sport title on Wii U.

I never said that. I'm sharing my opinion. if they can make a sports game with mario and it's actually fun, I would love that.

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Bolt_Strike

Haru17 wrote:

No. Experience is not overrated, in fact, in human history few things have ever been less overrated than experience. For most games 4-5 hours is a pretty solid impression of what they are, but to get that impression one actually has to play them at all. There is a huge amount that trailers and youtube videos won't tell you about a game, which should be expected of an interactive medium.

Well first of all, it's not as if I don't know anything about these games. I've played NSMB, I've played 3D Land, I've played Donkey Kong Country Returns. I know how those games work. I've also played the demos for those games too.

At that point it's not about getting a feel for the gameplay because I'm already familiar with the gameplay. It's about what's new, what they do to change up the experience. And those kinds of broad, game changing additions are completely noticeable that you'll pick up on them right away. You don't need a full, finalized review of the game to tell that the game is new, you'll be able to tell that on your first impression.

rallydefault wrote:

I know you won't want to concede that point, though, so I don't know why I bother typing it. Also, your refusal to acknowledge that experience is an integral facet of understanding a product is laughable. It just is. Spend a few more years on this planet and maybe you'll come to see how first-hand experience just can't be matched. And I'm sorry, but one of the things you listed as being able to "tell" without playing is "game mechanics." How in the world can you get a feel for a game's mechanics without actually playing it? You've dug your own hole on this one.

There's a lot you can tell about game mechanics before you play it. You know what kinds of actions can be peformed. You know the objective of the game. The interactive aspects of the game play into control and challenge, how the game feels. Gameplay mechanics can be researched. Saying that you need to play a game to understand its mechanics is like saying you have to play checkers to understand its rules. It doesn't work that way, you can learn those kinds of things beforehand before actually jumping into the game.

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NinjaWaddleDee

This is for the people that say Nintendo is different and don't follow norms, like milking their franchises to death. You guys talk about COD and halo, but have you ever seen friggen mario, pokemon, and Zelda? We get a new one of those every year! Sometimes twice a year! Don't pretend that Nintendo doesn't milk their franchises dry.

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faint

NinjaWaddleDee wrote:

This is for the people that say Nintendo is different and don't follow norms, like milking their franchises to death. You guys talk about COD and halo, but have you ever seen friggen mario, pokemon, and Zelda? We get a new one of those every year! Sometimes twice a year! Don't pretend that Nintendo doesn't milk their franchises dry.

which platform gets a zelda every year? the wii had 2 in seven years. the ds had two in eight years. the wiiu looks like it's getting one and a remaster. the game boy got one. the nes got two. the snes got one. do ineed to go on? you dont know what your talking about.

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faint wrote:

NinjaWaddleDee wrote:

This is for the people that say Nintendo is different and don't follow norms, like milking their franchises to death. You guys talk about COD and halo, but have you ever seen friggen mario, pokemon, and Zelda? We get a new one of those every year! Sometimes twice a year! Don't pretend that Nintendo doesn't milk their franchises dry.

which platform gets a zelda every year? the wii had 2 in seven years. the ds had two in eight years. the wiiu looks like it's getting one and a remaster. the game boy got one. the nes got two. the snes got one. do ineed to go on? you dont know what your talking about.

we just had wind waker hd and albw in the same year. Also we had hyrule warriors, and now we are getting majora 3d, and Zelda Wii u. COD had 2 games in the last two years. Halo had 1. Now it's getting halo 5 this year, 3 years after halo 4. I don't even have an Xbox, I'm just stating facts. And even though some of those Zelda games may be remakes or spinoffs, Nintendo is still milking it's franchise, regardless of how good the games are.

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TeeJay

Nintendo is definitely using the Zelda franchise more in recent years, but to be honest I'm loving every minute of it. It doesn't feel milked to me quite just yet.

When they start making Zelda candy crush ripoffs, then it will feel milked

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NinjaWaddleDee

TeeJay wrote:

Nintendo is definitely using the Zelda franchise more in recent years, but to be honest I'm loving every minute of it. It doesn't feel milked to me quite just yet.

When they start making Zelda candy crush ripoffs, then it will feel milked

That's what I was trying to say. Nintendo relies very heavily on mario, Zelda, and pokemon. That's why I'm so excited for splatoon, star Fox, and xenoblade x to release! It will give Nintendo gamers some more variety. Hopefully we won't all be sheep, and we'll actually buy these new games. Instead of buying them simply because they have mario or link on the cover. Which is why hyrule warriors sold so well, even though it was fun.

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GrizzlyArctos

I do admit that Nintendo has been releasing more games from the major franchises lately, but for the most part, I don't really mind. Most of them do something differently to the last, though the New Super Mario Bros series got stale quite quickly.

And as for Splatoon, Starfox and Xenoblade X, they're definitely on my 'buy list' this year. Especially Xenoblade X!

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kkslider5552000

Hey, I'm gonna blow peoples minds on Zelda, you're never gonna guess. But Zelda somehow has avoided the usual pitfalls of annual releases. Even ignoring that for a while there was only 1 new game every other year. But this is some innovative new stuff that's gonna blow people's minds, this secret of how to make a popular series not boring. Are you ready for this amazing secret?

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THEY DIDN'T RELEASE THE SAME ****ING TYPE OF ZELDA GAME EVERY ****ING YEAR! Yeah, shockingly you can make games in the series that actually have notable and worth caring about differences between them! WHAT A NOVEL CONCEPT! And people can pretend OH YOU GET A HOOKSHOT SAME GAME DERPADERP but they are simply wrong. While it's been arguably a bit too remake-heavy, Wind Waker is still one of the fresher 3D Zeldas and the island traveling is a huge success or deal breaker depending on the person. Furthermore, Skyward Sword and ALBW are as different as games can get in the same franchise in terms of their game design.

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kkslider5552000 wrote:

Hey, I'm gonna blow peoples minds on Zelda, you're never gonna guess. But Zelda somehow has avoided the usual pitfalls of annual releases. Even ignoring that for a while there was only 1 new game every other year. But this is some innovative new stuff that's gonna blow people's minds, this secret of how to make a popular series not boring. Are you ready for this amazing secret?

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THEY DIDN'T RELEASE THE SAME ****ING TYPE OF ZELDA GAME EVERY ****ING YEAR! Yeah, shockingly you can make games in the series that actually have notable and worth caring about differences between them! WHAT A NOVEL CONCEPT! And people can pretend OH YOU GET A HOOKSHOT SAME GAME DERPADERP but they are simply wrong. While it's been arguably a bit too remake-heavy, Wind Waker is still one of the fresher 3D Zeldas and the island traveling is a huge success or deal breaker depending on the person. Furthermore, Skyward Sword and ALBW are as different as games can get in the same franchise in terms of their game design.

yes but Nintendo is relying on link and friends to sell you their products. They could slap a new character on these games, but they don't. I'm not saying its horrible, I'm just saying that sometimes people get tired of being in the same universe. That's why I find splatoon and xenoblade far more interesting than the new Zelda.

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WiiUseeker2

NinjaWaddleDee wrote:

This is for the people that say Nintendo is different and don't follow norms, like milking their franchises to death. You guys talk about COD and halo, but have you ever seen friggen mario, pokemon, and Zelda? We get a new one of those every year! Sometimes twice a year! Don't pretend that Nintendo doesn't milk their franchises dry.

unlike call of duty, I actually Love it when another mario/zelda game happens. you know why they are successful? the enjoyment factor.

I actually enjoy Nintendo's games! on the other side, I don't care how many call of duty games come out, I just wont buy them.

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faint

NinjaWaddleDee wrote:

faint wrote:

NinjaWaddleDee wrote:

This is for the people that say Nintendo is different and don't follow norms, like milking their franchises to death. You guys talk about COD and halo, but have you ever seen friggen mario, pokemon, and Zelda? We get a new one of those every year! Sometimes twice a year! Don't pretend that Nintendo doesn't milk their franchises dry.

which platform gets a zelda every year? the wii had 2 in seven years. the ds had two in eight years. the wiiu looks like it's getting one and a remaster. the game boy got one. the nes got two. the snes got one. do ineed to go on? you dont know what your talking about.

we just had wind waker hd and albw in the same year. Also we had hyrule warriors, and now we are getting majora 3d, and Zelda Wii u. COD had 2 games in the last two years. Halo had 1. Now it's getting halo 5 this year, 3 years after halo 4. I don't even have an Xbox, I'm just stating facts. And even though some of those Zelda games may be remakes or spinoffs, Nintendo is still milking it's franchise, regardless of how good the games are.

that's two diffrent consoles. Why does everybody act like a free 3ds comes in the box with a Wiiu when they want to win an argument

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NinjaWaddleDee wrote:

This is for the people that say Nintendo is different and don't follow norms, like milking their franchises to death. You guys talk about COD and halo, but have you ever seen friggen mario, pokemon, and Zelda? We get a new one of those every year! Sometimes twice a year! Don't pretend that Nintendo doesn't milk their franchises dry.

Are. You. Kidding. Me!?! I waited 5 long years, from 2006 to 2011 and was very disappointed with Skyward Sword. Now I've waited another 4 years, 9 in total by the release date, for Zelda Wii U. All I want is another good 3D Zelda, so don't you tell me they're milking that series!

The exact same thing applies to Paper Mario and Metroid.

Calling 3D and 2D Zelda's the same thing is a FARCE. Anyone who played those games would know that either one is a completely different game.

Furthermore Nintendo's franchises have plenty of sub franchises that are nothing alike. 2D Super Mario is nothing like Mario & Luigi RPGs which in turn are a far cry from any of the mario sports games. So calling 'Mario' overexposed is an intellectually worthless statement. And if you don't like a game, then don't buy it. I don't buy plenty of Nintendo games, namely those which don't have much narrative.

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shingi_70

Its really not a worthless statement. Overexposed refers to the character not the actual media he's in. There's a reason why when marvel announced their phase III films only two of them were known quantities. Same thing with Disney as a whole tbh.

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R_Champ

WiiUseeker2 wrote:

NinjaWaddleDee wrote:

This is for the people that say Nintendo is different and don't follow norms, like milking their franchises to death. You guys talk about COD and halo, but have you ever seen friggen mario, pokemon, and Zelda? We get a new one of those every year! Sometimes twice a year! Don't pretend that Nintendo doesn't milk their franchises dry.

unlike call of duty, I actually Love it when another mario/zelda game happens. you know why they are successful? the enjoyment factor.

I actually enjoy Nintendo's games! on the other side, I don't care how many call of duty games come out, I just wont buy them.

Everyone has different tastes, but people are crazy if they think most milked series have anywhere near the consistency of Nintendo games considering respective fanbases. Series like CoD, Assasin's Creed, and Halo all have great games but have horrible, truly-milked games that remind us why Nintendo can pull it off while others more quickly fall under scrutiny.

Examples:
-First three hours of Assasin's Creed III
-Assasin's Creed Unity. Period. Game wasn't even done.
-Halo Anniversery: Does online even work YET?
-Halo ODST: Sure, I like Nathan Filion, but that won't make a dumbed-downed Halo experience good.
-CoD Modern Warefare 3. I don't care how many reviewers get paid off. No, just no.

And this usually comes from tons of fans of these series and often critics (LOL, when not paid off like DA: Inquisition...GOTY? BS). Most Nintendo games are well-received by critcs and a large portion of the fanbase (a few haters isn't the same as the indignation like AC: Unity).

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Bolt_Strike

Haru17 wrote:

Furthermore Nintendo's franchises have plenty of sub franchises that are nothing alike. 2D Super Mario is nothing like Mario & Luigi RPGs which in turn are a far cry from any of the mario sports games. So calling 'Mario' overexposed is an intellectually worthless statement. And if you don't like a game, then don't buy it. I don't buy plenty of Nintendo games, namely those which don't have much narrative.

Let's ignore the spinoff series for a minute and just look at the main series games in 7th and 8th gen:

2004: Super Mario 64 DS
2005: Nothing
2006: NSMB
2007: Super Mario Galaxy
2008: nothing
2009: NSMB Wii
2010: Super Mario Galaxy 2
2011: Super Mario 3D Land
2012: NSMB2 and NSMBU
2013: Super Mario 3D World
2014: Nothing

Early 7th gen wasn't as problematic, because the releases were more spread out and differentiated. But look from about 2009 on. We got 6 games in the span of 5 years. Worse yet, the majority of the games in that period were NSMB and 3D series games, the collectathons started to die out. And the thing is that NSMB and 3D aren't very differentiated, the differences between those two styles go as far as 3D having an extra dimension, there was no change in gameplay mechanics between versions, and both styles were fairly linear. And that looks a lot more like milking, they were releasing tons of Mario games in that period without coming up with new ideas, they felt more like obligatory sequels just to have X style of gameplay on each console.

Now let's look at Pokemon:

2006: DP (Japan)
2007: DP (NA and EU)
2008: Platinum (Japan)
2009: Platinum (NA and EU)/HGSS (Japan)
2010: HGSS (NA and EU)/BW1 (Japan)
2011: BW1 (NA and EU)
2012: BW2
2013: XY
2014: ORAS

From outside Japan, it looks yearly. NA and EU haven't gotten a break in games since 2008. However, that's because we went from a 6 month gap to a worldwide release, NA and EU missed the break year while they were narrowing the gap. We don't know exactly if they're going to continue this trend, but a statement from Masuda (you can find a translation here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=144941236&post... implies that games will be releasing more frequently from now on. And Pokemon is notorious for having lower differentiation, with the typical generation only adding new content in the first two games and the remaining games are set in an existing region with few changes. So I don't think it's quite to the point of being milked, but it's getting there, and it's easy to see why some people already think it is.

So yeah, Nintendo isn't exactly a white knight in this situation either, they've definitely had situations where their games have felt excessive and similar. Particularly in that 2009-2014 period, they dumped a lot of similar playing sequels then.

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Punished_Boss_84

The annual franchises by third parties aren't fun but annual games by Nintendo are remark, is a simple case of ignorance. They're both as bad as each other when it comes to milking. To pretend otherwise just makes you a bit blinded.

Millions of people buy them, I don't believe for a second those games are boring to them.

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Punished_Boss_84 wrote:

The annual franchises by third parties aren't fun but annual games by Nintendo are remark, is a simple case of ignorance. They're both as bad as each other when it comes to milking. To pretend otherwise just makes you a bit blinded.

I dunno, I don't think Nintendo has released a game as broken as AC:Unity yet.

It actually annoys me that Assassin's Creed refuses to not make anything really different. Except for that one pirate game, but then they decided to need to make a sequel to that AND classic AC in the same year. Why? At least COD, with its sameyness, has a rotating team, they could've done that with AC, and no one would've minded!

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kkslider5552000 wrote:

Punished_Boss_84 wrote:

The annual franchises by third parties aren't fun but annual games by Nintendo are remark, is a simple case of ignorance. They're both as bad as each other when it comes to milking. To pretend otherwise just makes you a bit blinded.

I dunno, I don't think Nintendo has released a game as broken as AC:Unity yet.

It actually annoys me that Assassin's Creed refuses to not make anything really different. Except for that one pirate game, but then they decided to need to make a sequel to that AND classic AC in the same year. Why? At least COD, with its sameyness, has a rotating team, they could've done that with AC, and no one would've minded!

That's a separate issue, but okay yes Nintendo is a lesser evil of the pubs today because they release products finished but it's still milked. AC doesn't need a party game, a kart game, an editor game to be different, the existence of other games completely independent from AC takes care of that. As for the games being the same, Nintendo also has that problem. The "different" word pops up so much, it annoys the living daylights out of me and I've used word so many times. Being different doesn't always equal being better and in the case of Nintendo has never been warranted, justified or actually better.

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CaviarMeths

Not surprising. For all of its failings, the Wii U is actually performing quite well in one area. People who have one buy a lot of games. The tie ratio is fantastic for a console this age. Mario Kart 8 has sold to about 1 in every 2 Wii U owners, millions of copies. The Wii U won't sell as well as the Gamecube, but pretty much every franchise game will outsell its Gamecube counterpart. Mario Kart 8 will outsell Double Dash, both NSMBU and SM3DW will outsell Sunshine, Zelda U will most likely outsell Wind Waker, so on and so forth. Smash 4 even has a pretty good chance of outselling Melee, even with the 3DS version cutting into sales.

You don't just dump hardware that sells software so well. Nintendo is in the black right now, has been for the last two quarters. They can afford to just ride out the rest of this generation and build up their capital with software sales. They have no need at all to release a new machine in 2016.

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