For me it is. I can't exactly explain or narrow down why but it was so refreshing going back to a Nintendo console(wii u) from my previous consoles( ps3,xbox360). I think I was genuinely sick of all the cods like games. And I didn't even play them much. My roommate has a ps4 and we more often than not play my wii u. Ironically after my ps3 died I started playing a lot of gamecube( melee, Mario kart, paper Mario, sunshine, etc) which ultimately influenced my decision to buy the wii u. This is bar none the funniest and most pure console I've owned with the ps2 not far behind. Love it! And I've owned(ps3,360,ps2,xbox, gamecube, n64,psone) at one point or another.
Some simple logic. Games get better over time therefore in general the platforms that can play the newest games are better. There are a few exceptions but that's a general rule of thumb. Therefore the PS4/XBOne are both better than the PS3/360 or at least will be by the end of this console generation. Backwards compatibility means jack because those old platforms are cheap now, you get a platform to play the newest games. So that's that part done. THe PS3/360 don't even rate and previous generations certainly don't.
But I have a PC and see no reason to get a PS4/XBOne given the content they have vs what my PC has. Therefore the PC is a better platform that the PS4/XBOne. Which means that, in my mind at least, PC gaming is better than the 360/PS3 also. On any measure it's better, it's better on paper specs wise and it has a deeper library both in terms of new content and "remasters" of old games. Or as we say as PC gamers "turning the textures up"
HOWEVER. I also have a Wii U and at the end of the day the main thing that makes a gaming platform is how fun it is. Now I can't speak for everyone else but based on the games I have played (and I have far more on PC) I've had more fun with my Wii U. There are all of the big games to be had on PC as well as all the little indie games. Over and above what you can get on PS4/XBOne. I still have more fun with my Wii U. I look at titles coming out this year and for sure, GTA5 on PC is amazing and I'm hyped for Arkham Knight. But there's also Splatoon, Starfox, X. I know I'm going to have more fun with my Wii U and that's all that matters in the end.
So therefore.....
Wii U > PC > PS4/XBOne > PS3/360
That is simple logic. While a certain baseline processing power is important, after a while you get diminishing returns. That's why many gamecube/PS2 games are better than 360/PS3 games and why almost all of those games are better than all PS4/XB1 games (granted, people oughta give those platforms time to see their best games come out).
I feel PC will always lag behind Wii / Playstation platforms until it gets comparably strong first party / exclusive dev support. Which won't happen until the install base is larger, which in turn won't happen until the platform becomes more consumer-friendly to get into or it gets that extra dev support.
Singleplayer and narrative gamers especially find a lot more in many console exclusives while competitive multiplayer and gamers who like other select genres have a lot more of a selection on PC. Generally there's a lot of stuff with a top-down / isometric that sees the player clicking on a lot of stuff exclusive to PC (MMOs, MOBAs, RTS, etc).
The Wii U is a secondary system... it's not on the PS4's level.
The PS4 is an A-level video game console. Whereas the Wii U is a B-level console.
Uh...hardly. In-terms of quality software the Wii U has a far better line-up. Unfortunately there are too many platformers on the console. Second the hardware is actually somewhere between the PS3/PS4 in-terms of raw power, but people think it is weak due to numbers that don't take into account the Wii U's unique architecture. FACEPALM
No. I don't really think you can count the virtual console as part of the console's library when discussing best console of all time. They should be judged on their actual library.
That is simple logic. While a certain baseline processing power is important, after a while you get diminishing returns. That's why many gamecube/PS2 games are better than 360/PS3 games and why almost all of those games are better than all PS4/XB1 games (granted, people oughta give those platforms time to see their best games come out)
Better is just shorthand for nostalgia. Plus lets be honest here, if someone asked what platform to buy into you wouldn't say 360, PS3, Gamecube or Dreamcast. As good as those platforms were at the time they aren't really relevant anymore. The best games they had to offer have been remade and remastered. The games that impressed visually have been outclassed. They may be good value but they are no longer "the best" platforms.
I feel PC will always lag behind Wii / Playstation platforms until it gets comparably strong first party / exclusive dev support. Which won't happen until the install base is larger, which in turn won't happen until the platform becomes more consumer-friendly to get into or it gets that extra dev support.
We are living in the same decade aren't we? Outside of Nintendo do any of these platforms really rely on first party support? Most of the games you'd buy any of those platforms for are multiplatform and are therefore also available on PC. Outside of The Last of Us there isn't anything out on PS4/XBOne that I would buy but can't because they're exclusives. People are buying these platforms for multiplatform games and if I was to buy one it would be almost purely for that reason. I will be able to play the newest Assassin's Creed, Batman, Witcher, GTA and so on down the list of prominent third party titles. Why should I care beyond that?
And anyways you missed the point I was making. As someone who owns a PC and is someone who isn't intimidated by the platform. As someone who has their foot firmly into one of the three largely identical platforms in this current-gen trio. And as someone who is into the "top-down / isometric" stuff you turned your nose up at. I have Cities Skylines on my wish-list on Steam and the only reason I haven't pulled the trigger is because I know I'll get addicted. But even with all that I still have more fun playing games on my Wii U. And I highly doubt that anything on the PS4/XBOne could sway me.
The Wii U is a secondary system... it's not on the PS4's level.
The PS4 is an A-level video game console. Whereas the Wii U is a B-level console.
What exactly is the "PS4's level"? 2 games in 1.5 years that justify the console purchase?
It's no secret that I'm not crazy about the Wii U's library, but even the Wii U is better than that.
Let's not talk about launch libraries while defending the Wii U...
Anyway, buying a PS4 last fall I played Shadow of Mordor, Far Cry 4, and Dragon Age Inquisition. One of which was great, one fun, and one was an Ubisoft game. Either way, those games and many things I've gotten via PS+ made it well worth it.
I feel PC will always lag behind Wii / Playstation platforms [...] Singleplayer and narrative gamers especially find a lot more in many console exclusives
That is simple logic. While a certain baseline processing power is important, after a while you get diminishing returns. That's why many gamecube/PS2 games are better than 360/PS3 games and why almost all of those games are better than all PS4/XB1 games (granted, people oughta give those platforms time to see their best games come out)
Better is just shorthand for nostalgia. Plus lets be honest here, if someone asked what platform to buy into you wouldn't say 360, PS3, Gamecube or Dreamcast. As good as those platforms were at the time they aren't really relevant anymore. The best games they had to offer have been remade and remastered. The games that impressed visually have been outclassed. They may be good value but they are no longer "the best" platforms.
I don't do nostalgia. The fact is that, as I see things, Paper Mario TTYD, Twilight Princess, Luigi's Mansion, Tales of Symphonia, Okami (developed for PS2), etc are the best versions of those kinds of games and nothing on the Wii, nor any of the more powerful 7th gen systems, has surpassed them (despite some admirable sequels). However much development power you have, before people put the work in all a game is is a blank xyz axis.
We are living in the same decade aren't we?
No, I am a time traveler.
Outside of Nintendo do any of these platforms really rely on first party support?
Yes, Naughty Dog's games, Quantic Dream's games, one off indies like Journey, and basically every JRPG make me buy a PS4 over other multiplatform systems.
And as someone who is into the "top-down / isometric" stuff you turned your nose up at.
I made no such value judgment about top-down games. While I don't personally like that style of game that in no way changes the fact that there's a ton of it exclusive to PC.
I feel PC will always lag behind Wii / Playstation platforms [...] Singleplayer and narrative gamers especially find a lot more in many console exclusives
buying a PS4 last fall I played Shadow of Mordor, Far Cry 4, and Dragon Age Inquisition.
Don't be hasty. Literally. It's obvious that 8th gen hasn't yet hit its stride, on any console or PC. Developers, especially exclusive devs, waited to release stuff like MGS, TES, Naughty Dog's stuff, WiLD, Rime, etc either because they didn't want to sell to a smaller install base or weren't done developing the games for the new systems.
Not to mention that all those 6th gen games I listed are quite better than those 3 games...
Let's not talk about launch libraries while defending the Wii U...
Hrm...
Ubsisoft's big new 'core' AAA game (Assassin's Creed III)
Ubsisoft's multi-million selling casual/family/party game (Just Dance 4)
Ubisoft's exclusive 'core' AAA game and new IP (ZombiU)
Activision's big new 'core' AAA game (Call of Duty: Black Ops II)
Activision's multi-million selling casual/family/party game (Skylanders: Giants)
EA's yearly sports franchises (FIFA13 and Madden NFL13)
2K's yearly sports franchise (NBA2K13)
An assortment of enhanced ports from developers that didn't have a new game ready at the time (Batman: Arkham City, Mass Effect 3, Darksiders II, Ninja Gaiden 3, Tekken Tag Tournament 2)
Nintendo's 1st party games aside, that looks like a pretty standard launch line-up to me...
I feel PC will always lag behind Wii / Playstation platforms until it gets comparably strong first party / exclusive dev support.
PC has by far the largest first party / exclusive dev support of all systems.
Do tell.
PC isn't made by a single company that pushes its first party games so it isn't as easy to list them. But tons of games are released exclusively on PC and never come to consoles.
It was hard to get excited about the Wii U launch line-up. The third party games were mostly games you might already own on another platform and the Nintendo exclusives were games like Nintendo Land, Game & Wario and New SMB U. Not at all the games I was waiting for...
The PS4 had annual franchises, Ubisoft games, sports games, etc, too. It has since had a lot of ports as well.
That's why I called it "standard." The Wii U got more ports, exclusives, and multiplats over the next few months from all major publishers. It wasn't until its second holiday season that the support started to evaporate as publisher's realized that the games just weren't going to sell on Wii U. Activision, Ubisoft, and WB gave it one last shot with CoD: Ghosts, AC4, and Arkham Origins, but that was about it. But the Wii U's current state has made people retroactively think that it was always dry. It wasn't. Launch and launch window were average-to-good as far as software and support goes.
So Anakin kneels before Monster Mash and pledges his loyalty to the graveyard smash.
I don't do nostalgia. The fact is that, as I see things, Paper Mario TTYD, Twilight Princess, Luigi's Mansion, Tales of Symphonia, Okami (developed for PS2), etc are the best versions of those kinds of games and nothing on the Wii, nor any of the more powerful 7th gen systems, has surpassed them (despite some admirable sequels). However much development power you have, before people put the work in all a game is is a blank xyz axis.
And as I said classic games get remakes and revisions. The only one you mentioned there that has since been depressingly unloved and I doubt we'll see it again is Paper Mario. There are always going to be some reasons to go back but that doesn't change the fact that newer platforms generally have more content. Eventually. And that content is usually better because the people who made it have the ability to look back and understand where others went wrong. You can talk up the PS2 and Gamecube all day if you want but the fact is you did buy a PS4. Clearly you think the new platforms are better in at least some ways.
Yes, Naughty Dog's games, Quantic Dream's games, one off indies like Journey, and basically every JRPG make me buy a PS4 over other multiplatform systems.
And despite that most of the games you'll end up buying for it will be multiplatform. Going back the last five years the only best sellers that weren't on PC are Nintendo's games, Halo, The Last of Us and Uncharted. Sure there are exclusives but there are just about the same amount going both ways. PS4 gets Uncharted 4, PC gets Star Citizen, PS4 gets free games with PS+, PC gets Humble Bundle. Anyways, my point wasn't about the PS4. All I was saying was that the PS4 and XBOne don't offer anything more than I feel my PC does. And as someone who has a PC and loves it I still enjoy my Wii U more.
PC isn't made by a single company that pushes its first party games so it isn't as easy to list them. But tons of games are released exclusively on PC and never come to consoles.
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