The PS3 first 4 years pretty much wiped out all the profits Sony made on the best selling console of all time in the PS2.
It eventually started to turn a profit in year 5 I believe but I do not think it ever became profitable enough to wipe out those massive initial losses.
I am not anti-Sony, I love my PS3, just talking profits
I don't think the profits of the 360 were greater than the losses on the original xbox either. the xbox brand has overall negatively affected Microsofts profits. Nintendo is the only company that knows how to consistently make money in this industry.
The Xbox division has lost money every single year. It has never been profitable.
And yeah, the PS3 pretty much completely wiped out all of the PS2 profits. There's more to it than just money though. Playstation is a powerful brand. That and strong support late in the PS3's life gave the PS4 a hell of a head start.
Nintendo did this to themselves. I love my Wii U so much but I absolutely loathe Nintendo's decision making...Time to ditch Iwata and his circle-jerk club of friends.
He's made a lot of unpopular decisions, but they're decisions that have made him one of the most successful CEOs in the industry. People are way too quick to forget the trillions of yen he made for the company with the Wii and DS. And he just turned one of the biggest gaming hardware disasters of all time into a net gain.
@AyeHaley I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where one poor-performing console (that's still a wonderful console, according to most of the people that own it) after three massive successes means it's time to kick the man responsible for it all to the curb. That's a little harsh. Let's see how the next generation goes before we start rounding up the pitchforks.
@Haru17 The Gamecube launched with Super Monkey Ball, Wave Race, and Luigi's Mansion. Not Melee and Pikmin. On top of that, Twilight Princess was a Gamecube game. I don't care that it came to the Wii, it was designed for and better on the Gamecube. Besides, you say that as of Nintendoland isn't just Wii Sports but much, much better. New Super Mario Bros U is amazing, even if it's a bit stale, and ZombiU shouldn't be completely ignored, even if it's a bit weak. There's plenty of merit in the game, just too bad it only setved a niche audience. So with that in mind, your list should look like this:
Of course, that's ignoring other system launches. Let's look at those.
N64: Super Mario 64, Pilot Wings 64
SNES: Super Mario World, Pilot Wings, F-Zero, SimCity
NES: Super Mario Bros, Duck Hunt, Golf, Baseball, Clu Clu Land, Kung-Fu, Mach Rider, Tennis, Wild Gunman, Wrecking Crew, Excitebike, Ice Climber, Pinball... Wow... Maybe stick to the Japanese launch? (DK, DK Jr., and Popeye)
EDIT: I totally forgot I was going to point out my calendar thread as a means of explaining how silly the idea that the Wii U doesn't have any indie support is. It's finally linked in my sig, so give that a browse.
Honestly, I don't get the point of this topic. The question is vague. I'd ask something more interesting like "Do you think Nintendo's Wii U is disappointing compared to the previous consoles?" or "Did Nintendo fail to move the company forward with the Wii U?"
But to answer, the console sales are mediocre in comparison to the Wii and PS4. And it did definitely "fail" in the sense that the console sold far below Nintendo's expected projections they predicted at launch (was it something like 13 million units?). I think it's doing okay at sustaining the company, but it also makes the investors nervous.
@Haru17 The Gamecube launched with Super Monkey Ball, Wave Race, and Luigi's Mansion. Not Melee and Pikmin. On top of that, Twilight Princess was a Gamecube game. I don't care that it came to the Wii, it was designed for and better on the Gamecube. Besides, you say that as of Nintendoland isn't just Wii Sports but much, much better. New Super Mario Bros U is amazing, even if it's a bit stale, and ZombiU shouldn't be completely ignored, even if it's a bit weak. There's plenty of merit in the game, just too bad it only setved a niche audience. So with that in mind, your list should look like this:
It doesn't matter that Twilight Princess was a gamecube game at heart in the context 'launch libraries.' It was a Wii launch game, it came out first on Wii. I didn't mention 3rd party games because I could give two shiftrees about 3rd party games on Nintendo systems. I'm concerned with what Nintendo itself is creating.
Not to mention that you can't ignore Melee and Pikmin just because they came out a couple weeks after launch. They were still between the November launch and the end of the year.
And Newnew and Newnewnew Super Mario Bros. were dull as hell so why should I care about Newnewnewnew SMB? They haven't made any real changes to 2D Mario games since the DS so they got boring.
In terms of games, it's the worst start Nintendo has had in a very long time.
If by "in a very long time" you mean "since before Wii," then yes.
At least since the GC. Look at the GC's first 2 years. Then look at the Wii's. With 3rd Party games, it's not even close. Without, in terms of volume the Wii and GC are still far better, and IMO, in quality, they are also better.
You've apparently missed it, before, but we've already had this argument. Just looking at the worthwhile games, most Nintendo systems INCLUDING THE WII U have very similar sizes of library with very similar levels of quality throughout. The main difference was in variety as the Wii U clearly had more 2D platformers by this point in its life cycle than the others and the word "Mario" came up noticeably more often. That, however, doesn't change the fact that the Wii U has had some of the best Platformers (and honestly some of the best out of each series that has come to it, thus far) and it doesn't make the Wii U's library actually weaker.
Also, can we drop the 3rd party argument? I know people who already own a Wii U would love better 3rd Party support, but let's be real, here: they already have a Wii U. Their status isn't pending. They've already bought one. To the people outside, very few 3rd party titles are going to jump out without getting stamped in the head with an asterisk that leads to the extra note saying "Probably already on PC, runs better, and sells cheaper, too!" Thus far, Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, and Hyrule Warriors are the only notable cases of this not happening. (Not counting ZombiU or Lego City Undercover as it's a niche game. It has its fans, but the average gamer won't look at it twice.)
Mind you, I'm not saying 3rd parties are bad or that they don't belong on the Wii U or anything dumb like that. I'm simply saying that I'm not gonna have money for them, and I can't imagine that every single other Wii U owner is different. Nintendo owners will almost inevitably give priority to 1st party Nintendo titles and 3rd parties will often end up with the scraps. (As noted with Bayo and Hyrule Warriors, this doesn't always turn out so bad, but my point still stands.)
Considering that I started the argument last time, no I didn't miss it. But as far as I have been able to tell, no one has really shown how the Wii U is on par with the GC or Wii in terms of sheer volume (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_published_by_Nintendo). Just count them.
Deciding which games are and aren't "worthwhile" is getting into subjective territory. My favorite games on DS are Big Brain Academy and Sim City DS, and I have literally no interest in WW HD whatsoever. Everyone has different tastes and preferences as to what is worth their time. And yes, I strongly believe that the Wii U is lagging in that area. I don't think 2D Platformers generally belong on home consoles. I think Mario 3D World is an insult to what 3D Platformers should be. I think MK8 is okay, but a step back from MKWii in terms of mechanics and level design.
I don't agree with your assumption at all about Nintendo owners and 3rd party games. I buy games I think are interesting. Whether they are Nintendo published or not doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that the Wii U has a weaker selection of games as a whole than the Wii, GC, or even N64. Most notably, the Wii U lacks sports games, and that's a huge hit.
I don't think 2D Platformers generally belong on home consoles. I think Mario 3D World is an insult to what 3D Platformers should be. I think MK8 is okay, but a step back from MKWii in terms of mechanics and level design.
Sigh...
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion I guess..?
Considering Iwata's goal for Wii U in 2013 was to sell 9 Million units in just that year, and now in 2015 it's sold only 9.5 million lifetime, that's a failed product by the market's and nintendo's standards. Critically, it's also been called a failure by much of the tech reviewing industry.
Wii U:
93% - Super Mario 3D World
92% - Smash Bros for Wii U
92% - Rayman Legends (Best on Wii U, also on PS3, PS4, 360, XBOne, PC, Vita)
91% - Bayonetta 2
90% - Wind Waker HD
PS4
97% - GTA 5 (Best on PC, also on PS3, 360, XBOne)
95% - The Last of Us (best on PS4, also on PS3)
92% - Bloodborne
92% - Shovel Knight (also on 3DS, Wii U, PS3, Vita, XBOne, PC)
91% - Flower (best on PS4, also on PS3, Vita)
XBOne
97% - GTA 5 (Best on PC, also on PS3, PS4, 360)
91% - Rayman Legends (Best on Wii U, also on PS3, PS4, 360, PC, Vita)
91% - Dark Souls 2 (also on PS3, PS4, 360, PC)
88% - Ori and the Blind Forrest (also on PC)
88% - FIFA 14 (also on.... damn everything)
Technically, anything that you make a profit off of is not a failure. So, no, it wasn't.
Have they made a net profit off of it so far?
And, honestly, you can not make the 'Wii U had a great launch' argument Nintendo game-wise.
Gamecube: Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin, and Melee.
Wii: Twilight Princess and Wii Sports.
Wii U: Nintendo Land and Newnewnewnew Super Mario Bros.
I can, Nintendo Land and NSMBU are good games. (To say nothing of the 3rd party games at launch that were good)
No, you can't argue that the Wii U had a great first party launch, not while maintaining intellectual honesty. It had a 2D platformer and a party game. That was the gripe for years 'Wii U has no games.' And for a while, it was somewhat true.
Obviously plenty of people agree with me here, because the system launched like a bird struck with a rock mid-flight sales-wise.
The Wii U launch wasn't great software wise but that's well behind us. The system is now almost three years old and by the time it is three full years old? It's library beats what the Wii had. Nintendo wasn't ready for the Wii U launch so at that point it was well behind the ball in terms of software. But they've certaintly caught up.
Late 2009 the Wii had Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Twilight Princess and Smash Bros. The best critically received third party titles were Okami, Zack and Wiki and Little King's Story. Their big 2009 title was New SMB Wii. Compare that to the Wii where while we don't have those same high heights as Galaxy we do have some awesome content. The Wii U Smash Bros kills Brawl, Bayonetta 2 is a more interesting title to have than Zack and Wiki. And lets not forget that this year, the year the Wii only really got New SMB Wii, the Wii U is getting Star Fox, Xenoblade, Splatoon and Mario Maker. Blows it out of the park.
Some playlists: Top All Time Songs, Top Last Year
"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"
Technically, anything that you make a profit off of is not a failure. So, no, it wasn't.
Have they made a net profit off of it so far?
And, honestly, you can not make the 'Wii U had a great launch' argument Nintendo game-wise.
Gamecube: Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin, and Melee.
Wii: Twilight Princess and Wii Sports.
Wii U: Nintendo Land and Newnewnewnew Super Mario Bros.
I can, Nintendo Land and NSMBU are good games. (To say nothing of the 3rd party games at launch that were good)
No, you can't argue that the Wii U had a great first party launch, not while maintaining intellectual honesty. It had a 2D platformer and a party game. That was the gripe for years 'Wii U has no games.' And for a while, it was somewhat true.
Obviously plenty of people agree with me here, because the system launched like a bird struck with a rock mid-flight sales-wise.
Still better than the 3DS's 1st party launch lineup, which I think ultimately was what hurt the Wii U. Nintendo basically screwed the Wii U over to save the 3DS.
Late 2009 the Wii had Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Twilight Princess and Smash Bros. The best critically received third party titles were Okami, Zack and Wiki and Little King's Story. Their big 2009 title was New SMB Wii.
Yes, the late Wii era and Wii U's first year were light. We know that by now. That still doesn't mean the Wii U has even matched the Wii's brilliance in its first few years.
Twilight Princess, Super Paper Mario, Metroid Prime 3, Galaxy, Hell, even Skyward Sword has no equal on Wii U. And that's just originally developed titles off the top of my head.
Twilight Princess, Super Paper Mario, Metroid Prime 3, Galaxy, Hell, even Skyward Sword has no equal on Wii U. And that's just originally developed titles off the top of my head.
Super Paper Mario wasn't great, certainly not as great as 3D World or Pikmin 3. Skyward Sword was released in 2011 so if you want to include that then we also need to include Wii U titles upto 2017. And I'd wager there'll be titles to match it by then. One in particular comes to mind. Metroid Prime 3, Galaxy, Twilight Princess? Fair enough. So you've got three games there... which I pointed out in my post.
Frankly I'm kinda tired of this crap. Really. There's one of you for every console every generation. I guarantee that if you were five years older and we took you back five years you'd be talking about how the Wii library sucks. How there are no interesting games on it other than Super Mario Galaxy. That Twilight Princess didn't count because it's a GC title, that there's nothing interesting on the platform and it's just a box for Wii Sports. Which is just as BS an argument as you're making here.
.... except the Wii U's software is actually better
Late 2009 the Wii had Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Twilight Princess and Smash Bros. The best critically received third party titles were Okami, Zack and Wiki and Little King's Story. Their big 2009 title was New SMB Wii.
Yes, the late Wii era and Wii U's first year were light. We know that by now. That still doesn't mean the Wii U has even matched the Wii's brilliance in its first few years.
Twilight Princess, Super Paper Mario, Metroid Prime 3, Galaxy, Hell, even Skyward Sword has no equal on Wii U. And that's just originally developed titles off the top of my head.
Blows it out of the park.
Lol, noooooooope.
Except the Wii U's games are far better than the Wii's, IMO. Not even close. SM3DW > SMG, NSMBU > NSMBW, MK8 > MKWii, DKCTF > DKCR, Smash 4 > all other Smash combined, and from the looks of it, Zelda U is gonna completely crush Skyward Sword. Also I refuse to accept that anyone calls Twilight Princess a Wii game. It was awful on the Wii. The Gamecube version is way better as it was designed with the GameCube in mind. Just like we don't consider The Last of Us to be a PS4 game just because they remade it for a later console. (I'm aware a port and a remake are two different things, but that's not actually important, here.) Twilight Princess was a Gamecube game that they decided to put on Wii discs with Wii controls shoehorned in to try and attract an audience to the new system.
I am starting to think I should have gotten a PS4 instead
They are truly some games I want to play, but guess what? They are for PS3/4 and xbox360/1...
Most of the games I play on wii U are in the 3DS or there's something similar.
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