Thus far, Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, and Hyrule Warriors are the only notable cases of this not happening.
All three financed, co-developed, and published by Nintendo. They also own the IP on two of them. It's a stretch to call them 3rd party games.
If you wanna get picky about it, Wonderful 101 is second party and Hyrule Warriors is a 3rd party collab with 1st party assets. Arguably, Bayonetta 2 is a second party game with third party assets, but as I already pointed out, there's some gray area on that one.
2nd party is just a buzz phrase coined by whoever. If Nintendo owns the IP and publishes the game, it is a 1st party game, as they do for Wonderful 101 and Hyrule Warriors. Super Smash Bros. falls in the same group, as it contains Nintendo IP, was developed by 3rd parties, and published by Nintendo. By the same definition, Halo 1-3 are 1st party Microsoft games, even though they were developed by an external studio.
The only grey area is with Bayonetta 2, as Sega owns the IP. It's a 3rd party game published by Nintendo, like uhh... actually, this one may be a little unprecedented. There are some examples of Nintendo of America/Europe publishing games in the west that were published by the IP owners themselves in Japan (eg, Bravely Default), but that's not really the same thing.
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I love how your can sell 9 million of something, have the best 1st party games of this generation and still be called a failure. I have said this a ton of times, just because them mentioned codename NX does not mean its coming out tomorrow. It simply means they are working on it, but it will take years to actually come out. The Wii U has some very strong games coming out here too, hell Splatoon is coming out May 29th. Nintendo is a slow burning company and don't come out of the gates swinging but they eventually show their hand and kick ass a few years into their consoles release.
Hyrule Warriors was published by Koei Tecmo in Japan.
Which is probably why it's not included in their report. In TK's financial report last month, they officially confirmed Hyrule Warriors as selling over a million. Nintendo includes all of their own million sellers in their report, but Hyrule Warriors isn't listed.
I guess that one is also gray, since Nintendo owns the Zelda IP and TK the Musou IP.
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Yes, it is. It failed to reach it's sales target for the financial year, while the Wii had over 4 times it's projected sales...
With the lowered expectations for the coming year I might finally be a success!
I have said this a ton of times, just because them mentioned codename NX does not mean its coming out tomorrow. It simply means they are working on it, but it will take years to actually come out. The Wii U has some very strong games coming out here too, hell Splatoon is coming out May 29th.
And the thing about it is that Nintendo knows what software they expect to launch over the next couple of years. They use what they have in the pipeline in terms of software to guestimate hardware sales. So then this is telling:
3DS:
Hardware Sales (financial year) — 8.73 million units
Hardware Sales Projection (2014 to 2015) — 7.6 million units
Wii U
Hardware Sales (financial year) — 3.38 million units
Hardware Sales Projection (2014 to 2015) — 3.4 million units
Seems like they're projecting that the Wii U is business as usual for the platform. Which we can only assume means more of the same in terms of software. Which isn't at all a bad thing given how decent 2014 was for content. Conversely they're expecting the 3DS to keep declining despite the fact that the New 3DS is brand new. Suggesting that there aren't any huge software announcements to give it another big bump.
So I think people have it backwards. 2015 is probably going to be "peak Wii U" for what it's worth. Nintendo are expecting this thing to just level out at this point in terms of enthusiasm. Compare that to the 3DS where they're in the slow, long decline of the platform. Which one is the NX replacing? I think it seems pretty obvious.
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I have said this a ton of times, just because them mentioned codename NX does not mean its coming out tomorrow. It simply means they are working on it, but it will take years to actually come out. The Wii U has some very strong games coming out here too, hell Splatoon is coming out May 29th.
And the thing about it is that Nintendo knows what software they expect to launch over the next couple of years. They use what they have in the pipeline in terms of software to guestimate hardware sales. So then this is telling:
3DS:
Hardware Sales (financial year) — 8.73 million units
Hardware Sales Projection (2014 to 2015) — 7.6 million units
Wii U
Hardware Sales (financial year) — 3.38 million units
Hardware Sales Projection (2014 to 2015) — 3.4 million units
Seems like they're projecting that the Wii U is business as usual for the platform. Which we can only assume means more of the same in terms of software. Which isn't at all a bad thing given how decent 2014 was for content. Conversely they're expecting the 3DS to keep declining despite the fact that the New 3DS is brand new. Suggesting that there aren't any huge software announcements to give it another big bump.
So I think people have it backwards. 2015 is probably going to be "peak Wii U" for what it's worth. Nintendo are expecting this thing to just level out at this point in terms of enthusiasm. Compare that to the 3DS where they're in the slow, long decline of the platform. Which one is the NX replacing? I think it seems pretty obvious.
And traditionally the next handheld has released before the next console. And its clear as day that less and less developer resources are going to 3DS. So NX is likely to be the 3DS successor that will launch late 2016/early 2017.
On topic I'd say the system is a failure.
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I think NX will be released in late 2017/early 2018 at the earliest. The system is not a failure. A failure is the Virtual Boy, but they turned a profit so far, and are releasing some great games coming up.
It has games like Wonderful 101, Super Mario 3D World, Smash Bros., Mario Kart 8, Hyrule Warriors, DKC TF, Nintendo Land, Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, Sonic Lost World (I liked that game. So sue me.), Bayonetta 2, New Super Mario Bros U (I also liked that game. So sue me again.), a crapload of great indie games, and if we can include Virtual Console games, we can also add in Earthbound in there (Earthbound is my favorite game on the Virtual Console, by the way.). In addition to all that, we've also got Yoshi's Wooly World, Splatoon, Zelda, Xenoblade Chroicles X, Mario Maker and Starfox coming out for it in the future. Sales-wise, it's a colossal failure. But in terms of games, I love it. Oh, and as for the NX? WE KNOW JACK SH*T ABOUT IT! I do not foresee it coming out until late 2017. Just because they're working on it doesn't mean that it's coming out this year! Nintendo is always working on their next system, hell, if I'm not mistaken (please correct me on this if I'm wrong), they began working on the Gamecube in 2001, the same year the Gamecube was released. Besides, we don't even know if it's a handheld or home console (or as some believe, both.). For all we know, it'll be a handheld and the Wii U won't be replaced until maybe 2018.
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Considering Iwata's goal for Wii U in 2013 was to sell 9 Million units in just that year, and now in 2015 it's sold only 9.5 million lifetime, that's a failed product by the market's and nintendo's standards. Critically, it's also been called a failure by much of the tech reviewing industry.
I'd give my answer, but my outlook on the console is optimistic so I guess that makes me a "Nintendrone" or some crap like that.
Never mind the OP's question of failure is vague. We talking sales, specs, game-wise, what?
Talking about sales yes is a failure, comparing it against the sales of the competition. But the console is profitable, and the games are great and fun. So, its a great console, with bad sales.
Talking about sales yes is a failure, comparing it against the sales of the competition. But the console is profitable, and the games are great and fun. So, its a great console, with bad sales.
Nintendo did this to themselves. I love my Wii U so much but I absolutely loathe Nintendo's decision making...Time to ditch Iwata and his circle-jerk club of friends.
Technically, anything that you make a profit off of is not a failure. So, no, it wasn't.
Plus it has a great library so far, so... Yeah.
Agreed. Anyone can label it a failure based on the variables they use.
Nintendo was making money on the Wii U a year after it's release so that doesn't sound like a failure to me but it didn't sell as many as the Wii so that sounds like a failure...
Discussions like this are pointless. Are you having fun with the hardware/software? That's all that matters.
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