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Topic: Is Sonic: The Lost World the next Other M?

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Kurtis_the_Red

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Let's me say straight off, that I've never been a big Sonic fan. The series never really caught my attention, and after seeing games like Unleashed, and Black Knight, I really didn't want it to. With The Lost World, I admit I was intrigued. I saw what was an attempt to blend the best of both 2D and 3D into a fresh start for the franchise.

After it's release, I looked for first impressions and reviews about the game and found overall unfavorable critiques. While I wont debate semantics over right or wrong, the reception to the game reminded me of how Metroid: Other M was likewise received. If memory serves, Other M launched to very negative reviews and overall disappointment from the community.

Years later, I would find this Wii game resting on a bargain shelf, selling for little more than pocket change. Throwing caution into the wind, I tried it out and actually had a OK time with the game. Issues with game still remain, but I certainly didn't expect anything revolutionary, but nevertheless found the game entertaining.

My question to you all is...Sad as it is, Does Sonic: the Lost World simply have too much hype placed on it, where the game couldn't possibly meet these expectations? Will Sonic look better in retrospect and will the game stand as a great first try, or is Sonic simply too broken to fit the pieces back together?

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8BitSamurai

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I actually thought I was the only one who was getting an Other M vibe from this game...

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kkslider5552000

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Other M was controversial because dumb fanboys tried and failed to defend objectively terrible writing in a 25% cutscene game, and then tried to pretend people didn't like what it did as a concept of a Metroid story, thus failing to understand how huge a difference in quality concept and execution can be.

Sonic Lost World is controversial for at least reasons I kinda get. It's pretty odd for a Sonic game apparently and even the positive reviews admit there's some stuff you have to get used to and some parts didn't work well.

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I don't think it looked that bad... This is coming from someone who liked Sonic Adventure 1 & 2, though. Sonic hasn't really changed much, IMO, even in the transition from 2D to 3D.

BTW, I don't get how someone can not want to like something. I used to make fun of Pikmin when I first saw it, then I enjoyed playing it. Also, yes, this is on topip, because you said you didn't want to like Sonic. 7 is still a good score for a game people were either going to hate or love, because of their own perspective.

Same thing with Mario 3D World. Everyone criticised it quite a bit when they first showed like 3 levels. Someone out there will still probably hate it.

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MAB

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All I can say is I've played the first stage through about 10 times and found alot of different paths and I'm still missing 1 of the 5 hidden red rings... No Mario game has ever made me want to play a stage over 10 times ;)

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Freakazoid

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Well i like it amd im dure many bad reviews come from people which are intrigued because its a harder than most games. Also its not frustrating and thats imo a great thing. Im happy its not as easy.
Another thing might be that the controls dont get explained in the game and u might got to read the manual and need some time getting used to the controls.
Also 7 to 8 is would be my score and 7 seven is still a good game btw also many people dont thing this way but those people got washed away from reality id say.
As @MadAussieBloke wrote it got a great replay value.

Two things i dont get why they even bothered implementing is this co-op mode and this smartphone trophy systems. The co op mode is stupid and the trophy thing unneeded those are just wasting funds but ok its a bit of addition to an good game.

The multiplayer seems fun as far as i played with my gf but shes not the great gamer so i didnt have any competition and cant say to much about it.

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CaviarMeths

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Other M was controversial for its story and characterizations. Its gameplay elements were generally praised (minus the Where's Waldo moments).

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TysonOfTime

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I can live with it being an average game that some people can find enjoyment in.

That's what you meant by your Other M comparison, right?

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MAB

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I-U

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kkslider5552000 wrote:

Other M was controversial because dumb fanboys tried and failed to defend objectively terrible writing in a 25% cutscene game, and then tried to pretend people didn't like what it did as a concept of a Metroid story, thus failing to understand how huge a difference in quality concept and execution can be.

The fanbase's distorted, negative interpretation of the game's plot created a lot more controversy than any defense of Other M. If it did create any controversy, it was because those with a negative interpretation of the game couldn't and haven't come to realize that positive interpretations exist as well.

I can't see Sonic The Lost World being subjected to the same negativity as Other M, but I don't know the Sonic fanbase either. Sonic gets more releases than Metroid though, so they'll probably not end up wasting 3+ years of bashing the game and damaging the franchise.

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kkslider5552000

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I-U wrote:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

Other M was controversial because dumb fanboys tried and failed to defend objectively terrible writing in a 25% cutscene game, and then tried to pretend people didn't like what it did as a concept of a Metroid story, thus failing to understand how huge a difference in quality concept and execution can be.

The fanbase's distorted, negative interpretation of the game's plot created a lot more controversy than any defense of Other M. If it did create any controversy, it was because those with a negative interpretation of the game couldn't and haven't come to realize that positive interpretations exist as well.

I'm talking less continuity and logic based on past events in the series and more basic writing mistakes (ignoring "show. don't tell" being the most obvious example). I actually like some of the positive interpretations, even the ones I don't agree with, but it did have some major problems at taking advantage of visual or gamey storytelling in a series known for being quite good and arguably ahead of its time at it. Also, from my understanding, it didn't have the best localization either.

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Marshi

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All I can say is I bought lost world on friday,and its not only one of the best wiiu games out at the moment,its also one of the very best sonic games ever

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SofaKing

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Sonic is, and should always be............. a side scrolling game. At lease in my eyes it should be. Sonic had something going great for it back on Genesis. IMO, I think a throwback to the good old days of Genesis with an updated HD graphics would be a seller. NSMBW looked great and I right away thought this would work out awesome for Sonic.

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CaviarMeths

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Sonic is, and should always be............. a side scrolling game.

A lot of people said that about Metroid, Mario, and Zelda too (well, 2D top-down in Zelda's case, close enough).

Change sure is scary.

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SofaKing

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CaviarMeths wrote:

Sonic is, and should always be............. a side scrolling game.

A lot of people said that about Metroid, Mario, and Zelda too (well, 2D top-down in Zelda's case, close enough).
Change sure is scary.

I don't think change is scary at all. Chang is necessary is order to survive. To me though, the best Sonic games where on the Genesis. Its just an opinion.

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LeVideoGamer

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I understand that it's their opinion, but I think many reviewers screwed this game over. So many of their "issues" with the game aren't even noticeable problems for me.

Lack of speed? Sure, it might not be as fast as past Sonic games in certain parts, but the reduced speed doesn't make the platforming gameplay worse, in any way. The Wisp touch controls take some getting used to, but using the R button and the control stick removes the issue. The level design is amazing, the huge worlds add so much replay value to the game. My only complaints are with the dialogue, and by the looks of things, there are only four Zones per world, which means there will only be 24 Zones in total, or a little more. That seems quite short.

I'd give it a 7 or an 8, but scores like IGN's 5.8 seem unjust.

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CaviarMeths

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SofaKing wrote:

CaviarMeths wrote:

Sonic is, and should always be............. a side scrolling game.

A lot of people said that about Metroid, Mario, and Zelda too (well, 2D top-down in Zelda's case, close enough).
Change sure is scary.

I don't think change is scary at all. Chang is necessary is order to survive. To me though, the best Sonic games where on the Genesis. Its just an opinion.

I agree with that opinion. But there's gotta be some way to properly bring this game to 3D. Other successful 2D games from that era have, with the right creative minds.

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CM30

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Not really.

Metroid Other M was hated more for it's horrible story and derailing Samus' character than the mediocre gameplay. Sonic Lost World does nothing bad to people's views of Sonic's character or the series storyline.

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AJWolfTill

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I would have loved cinematics and story in a Metroid Game but Other M seems to have permanently sealed off that route.
I actually enjoyed Other M, I thought some of the boss fights were great fun but I did think it was far too short and yes the story was a bit meh.
There is no way of saying it is an improvement over the prime games though, the exploration and scenic variety of each entry is far better than M's.
Relating it to Sonic however? No I can't see that happening, even slated Sonic game find a happy fanbase and will sell significantly. I don't think this will be in the bargain bins.

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