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iKhan

I have to say, we are 2 years in, and there are only 2 games I've really been impressed by, while many others are in a genre I'm not interested in or have disappointed me and let my expectations down.

Both the Wii and GC had several 1st Party games I absolutely loved in the first 2 years. Just among those I've played, there's: Melee, NBA Courtside, Metroid Prime, Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker, Wii Sports, Twilight Princess, Super Paper Mario, Super Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros Brawl, and Mario Kart Wii.

For the Wii U, I've given a fair shake to most of the 1st Party library (with the exception of Lego City, Pikmin 3, Game & Wario, Wii Party U, and Wii Fit U, and I was never interested in the last 3 anyway). And I've only really been impressed by 2 games. NintendoLand and The Wonderful 101.

Hyrule Warriors, Super Mario 3D World, and Mario Kart 8 have all disappointed me from every instance I've played them at demo stations or with friends. Having been raised on the N64, I never associated 2D Platformers with Nintendo, and they really aren't a genre that interest me. Right now, I'm really counting on games like Bayonetta 2, Smash 4, Splatoon, and Zelda U to sell me on the Wii U, because the current library, even just among 1st Party games, isn't cutting it for me.

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MsJubilee

I hope the two 1st party games you liked are Pikmin 3 and donkey Kong country tropical freeze.If they aren't then god i can't say it.One more thing you liked Nintendo Land but not Mario Kart 8? Damn that's weird man.

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iKhan

midnafanboy wrote:

I hope the two 1st party games you liked are Pikmin 3 and donkey Kong country tropical freeze.If they aren't then god i can't say it.One more thing you liked Nintendo Land but not Mario Kart 8? Damn that's weird man.

Like I said, I've never been all that interested in 2D Platformers. I've always preferred their 3D counterparts. I mean, for a budget price ($10 or less), they are fine, but nothing I would fork out retail price for. I've never played an entry in the Pikmin franchise, but 3 seems interesting. I just omitted it from my analysis because I haven't played it or any of it's prequels. Similarly I omitted games like 1080° Snowboarding on GC and Excite Truck on Wii.

I didn't dislike Mario Kart 8 as much as I was disappointed in it. It would be a solid $30 pick up for me. But MKWii was hands down my favorite in the series, and I'm really not all that keen on what kind of feels like a pretty looking downgrade.

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19Robb92

Compared to GameCube the WiiU is fantastic, IMO.

Compared to Wii it's OK.

I'm definitely not disappointed by the lineup, I just think there could be more games in it.

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MsJubilee

@iKhan But the 1st party games that Nintendo make are worth more than 30 dollars, and worse 10 dollars? You're making it sound like the games are crap and they don't deserve to be bought full retail price.Just because you don't like them, shouldn't mean they should be in the bargin bin.All the 1st party are worth their asking price,cause they are all amazing in their own way.

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skywake

As a self-identifying Mario Kart aficionado I have no idea why you wouldn't like Mario Kart 8. The only thing that made Mario Kart Wii arguably the best Mario Kart of its time was the fact that they got online working well for the first time. Mario Kart 7 and 8 improved on that with patching and so on and not only that but the Mario Kart Wii and DS online modes are dead now. Not to mention that Mario Kart 8 is even without online IMO the best version of Kart outside of my completely irrational love of Super Mario Kart's 2D simplicity. So if you're rating it as bad purely based on the demo kiosk? Well I think that's a load of BS.

As far as the other games go, basically you just selectively rattled off a list of great games and made excuses as for why you personally are not interested in them. That doesn't make the console crap it just means your interests are different than what the library is currently catering to. Personally I'm really big into platformers of all kinds, love RTS and skipped the GC era. So from my perspective the Wii U is killing it ATM.

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iKhan

skywake wrote:

As a self-identifying Mario Kart aficionado I have no idea why you wouldn't like Mario Kart 8. The only thing that made Mario Kart Wii arguably the best Mario Kart of its time was the fact that they got online working well for the first time. Mario Kart 7 and 8 improved on that with patching and so on and not only that but the Mario Kart Wii and DS online modes are dead now. Not to mention that Mario Kart 8 is even without online IMO the best version of Kart outside of my completely irrational love of Super Mario Kart's 2D simplicity. So if you're rating it as bad purely based on the demo kiosk? Well I think that's a load of BS.

As far as the other games go, basically you just selectively rattled off a list of great games and made excuses as for why you personally are not interested in them. That doesn't make the console crap it just means your interests are different than what the library is currently catering to. Personally I'm really big into platformers of all kinds, love RTS and skipped the GC era. So from my perspective the Wii U is killing it ATM.

I'm not saying any of these games are bad (though I do have a number of issues with some choices in 3D World), I'm saying I'm personally not interested, despite being a Nintendo fan. Nintendo's sequels to games I have previously loved have disappointed me. Because like you said they don't seem to be catering to my interests. They seem much more interested in the age 25+ demo that grew up with the NES and SNES as well as casuals and kids. I suppose that's fair, as Nintendo has always done most poorly with the 18-25 demo, but I'm still not happy about it.

Mario Kart 8 disappoints because:

1. The track design isn't as good as Wii. That game's course design utterly blew me away
2. The Bikes are nerfed and far less differentiated from Karts. I get that they were OP in Wii, but the solution to that isn't removing fun mechanics that made Bikes superior, the solution is improving the advantages of Karts.
3. I prefer the item system from DS/Wii
4. I played Mario Kart Wii with the Wii Remote and Nunchuck. I preferred the control offered by the analog stick, but I still loved the motion control features like shaking the remote for tricks and raising it for wheelies. From what I understand, both of those are gone.

Now I'm not saying 8 is bad. I'd actually say it's my 3rd favorite Mario Kart after Wii and 64. But the improvements it does make don't feel like the outweigh the removed elements of Wii.

midnafanboy wrote:

@iKhan But the 1st party games that Nintendo make are not worth more than 30 dollars, and worse 10 dollars? You're making it sound like the games are crap and they don't deserve to be bought full retail price.Just because you don't like them, shouldn't mean they should be in the bargin bin.All the 1st party are worth their asking price,cause they are all amazing in their own way.

Oh, I'm not saying the games are crap. I'm saying I personally am not that interested. That's kind of the whole nature of disappointment. It's very opinionated. I'm pretty thrifty with games anyway. I rarely pay full price for games, unless I'm really really invested(Smash, Zelda, and Mario Kart are rare exceptions)

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19Robb92

iKhan wrote:

1. The track design isn't as good as Wii. That game's course design utterly blew me away
3. I prefer the item system from DS/Wii

Each to their own. But I couldn't disagree more.

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kkslider5552000

For the most part not really? The change to HD has made things unnecessarily difficult but on average I think the quality is around the same as normal. TBH, I have way more issues with Nintendo's 3DS lineup. I mean, let's go down the list

-New Super Mario Bros U/New Super Luigi U - Generally considered the better example of the NSMB sameyness. Kinda awful in the context of where Mario is now, but on its own is seemingly solid at least. And I've seen an LP of both and it does seem a bit better than the Wii game, which I did actually like a lot in multiplayer.
-Lego City Undercover - It doesn't seem worthy to the "GTA for kids" line I heard when it was first shown, but it seems like a cool kid's game with some shameless fun in the jokes older people will get. Though I didn't enjoy what I played of the Lego Star Wars games in terms of being a video game.
-Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate - Is one of those games that did its own unique thing and probably deservedly became big in Japan. I'd like to someday give on of these games the 20+ hours needed to fully get into it, but I get why people love it and is probably great for what it is based on its fanbase over here.
-Game and Wario - Seems like a mostly meh to decent level minigame collection. Some cool stuff it seems but nothing that great outside of a few cool ideas, based on what I know.
-Pikmin 3 - A game I've actually played! A fantastic continuation of Nintendo's unique pseudo-RTS that did a perfect job at feeling new while still being familiar. Also has a fairly underappreciated multiplayer section.
-Wonderful 101 - I played this game too! An insane and truly brilliant action title. Genuinely hilarious and insane while having creative, compelling and deep mechanics. And also while having enough variety between the main combat to prevent tedium.
-Wind Waker HD. An actual HD remake with significant effort! Also, Wind Waker is great and this seems to be the definitive version. Will play sometime next year (before the new Zelda I assume!)
-Mario and Sonic - OLYMPICS1!1!!!!!!11111 i don't care about this game in any way outside of being sad at the lack of a proper crossover game
-Wii Party U. Seems decent for what it is but I have no opinions otherwise.
-Super Mario 3D World. A universally beloved game, would like to play it someday.
-NES Remix. I played it, it's cool, a good way to play some old NES games I would otherwise never pay money for. Creative, but not brilliant. NES Remix 2 I assume will be cool too.
-Dr. Luigi. It's Dr. Mario again, but with a dumb gimmick. Ok...
-Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze - All I need to know is that the previous game was a masterpiece and it's a shame I don't own this yet.
-Mario Kart 8 - A game arguably too reliant on putting quality over quantity, but what is there is fantastic for a racing game. I actually own this one!
-Pushmo World - Pushmo was cool and I assume this is too?!
-Hyrule Warriors - Seems like a fun, if mostly mindless game. A game that was just shameless fanservice for Zelda fans (HEY GUYS WE HAVE THE MOON FROM MAJORA'S MASK) needed to exist.

This seems fine to me.

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iKhan

kkslider5552000 wrote:

For the most part not really? The change to HD has made things unnecessarily difficult but on average I think the quality is around the same as normal. TBH, I have way more issues with Nintendo's 3DS lineup. I mean, let's go down the list

Really? I've still barely cracked the 3DS library (been mostly focusing on 7th gen console titles lately), but of the 3 full retail games I have on it are pretty fun.

Also, I'd be a lot more lenient on Hyrule Warriors if the game even TRIED to make the mash-A style combat more engaging. I mean, not having rumble with standard moves (special moves have it, but what good is that when I'm just watching a short cutscene of sorts), and not offering a motion control option just make the combat feel even more boring. Instead, from what I've seen, heard, and played, it feels like they cared more about piling on content than they did about actually making that content enjoyable.

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kkslider5552000

My understanding is that Hyrule Warriors' gameplay mostly focused on being a good Dynasty Warriors game but that might not be good for most people. I can't say until I play it but I can respect that. But I don't deny these issues either.

My problem with 3DS is that the sequels too frequently do very little to distinguish them from past games, even by the standards of Nintendo sequels. I've skipped several games I would've otherwise bought (and will buy when they're cheaper probably) just because they didn't seem important even as a fan of these series. Which is why most of my focus on 3DS is anything except Nintendo's own games (well that and I haven't got back into Pokemon yet).

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LetsGoRetro

I've been very disappointed in the 2012-2014 Wii U lineup. Nintendo has played it super safe and really lacked it's trademark creativity. I spend more time thinking about this than any responsible 30 year old with a job probably should, but here's where I'm currently at with it. I'm curious to see what others think of my opinion.

Looking at the NES-Wii eras, I noticed a trend of Creation, Expansion, Creation, Expansion.

What I mean by this is that the NES was the first real system featuring games with actual sizable game worlds with multiple mechanics. Before it we had Pong, Joust, etc. The simplest of games. Now, we had 2d platformers, 2d RPG's, etc. THIS was exciting, and new.

The NES was a very simple form of these game worlds, whereas the SNES came along and fully realized these worlds, expanding them to the size and scope they deserved, fleshing them out, filling them with colors and life, etc. Again, this was very exciting, as everything we loved was being made much, much better as developers really hit their stride and got the hardware to expand.

Now the N64 comes along, and in this gen, 3d is created This is arguably (in MY opinion, definitely) the most exciting time in gaming history. 3d Worlds had to be seen to believed, especially to my 13 year old mind. I just couldn't believe it was happening. As amazing as it was, when we look back, we can still see that many things about these new worlds were rough, rudimentary and basic.

The Gamecube then came along, and now it expanded upon the 3d worlds of the n64 (and ps1, sega consoles, etc.) we now knew, in the same way the SNES had done for the NES. It was a repeat of the 2d cycle, just with 3d. It was super exciting seeing these large 3d worlds that resembled out own being brought to life.

Then, came the Wii. In this gen, motion was created. However, this wasn't so much something that was going to be able to be expanded upon in any meaningful or necessary way. So, it came, it kind of was what it was, and that was it. Which leads us to the Wii U, and...

The Wii U is really the first console generation where Nintendo isn't either at the forefront of creating/working with an exciting new basis for game worlds, or expanding upon them considerably. We're at a point where everyone is kind of like "It's been done good enough to where I'm not that impressed that you do it a little better now". It's really new territory, in all honesty. Now, last gen, in the Wii, lots of people didn't care for the motion controls. While a HUGE percentage of the Wii's library was motion control garbage, Nintendo still made plenty of great, quality, UNIQUE titles. That has been lacking this gen, but luckily we learned at this past e3 that it was only lacking because Nintendo was working on a ton of stuff. It's coming!

Splatoon is totally new, unique, with the potential to be a worldwide smash hit.

Mario Maker has that old unique Nintendo charm and excellence. I'm sure I'll be soaking hundreds of hours into it as I did Mario Paint.

SMT x FE totally shows Nintendo is trying new things. Mixing 2 incredible franchises? Yes, please! Going out and grabbing Bayonetta?? Yes, please! Giving the Zelda franchise to Koei Tecmo to merge with the Warriors franchise so we can get more Nintendo themed games pumped out simultaneously? Yes, please!

I don't know a single person against having an incredible RPG like Xenoblade Chronicles come to their favorite system.

We're getting a "Back to basics, open world, non linear Zelda game". No more should need to be said there.

Kirby isn't exactly my thing but looks to be very unique in it's playstyle using the gamepad to the fullest. I can imagine there'll be tons of Nintendo creativity and charm in that one.

Yoshi looks fun. Mario VS DK and Mario Party 10 will, I'm sure, be quality.

Basically, what I'm saying is, Nintendo didn't have it's typical base of "shifts/changes in the industry that Nintendo is at the forefront of" to build off of. It was just all about the games and, unfortunately, they dropped the ball in making very typical, safe, run of the mill (by their standards) titles. NSMBU, NSLU, SM3DW, Pikmin 3, Game & Wario... None are bad, but none have that "must have" feel. There STILL isn't a defining experience on the Wii U to make it must own. It's very atypical of Nintendo to not have that by 2 years in to a console's lifespan. But, again, the industry has changed and leveled. NOthing new and exciting is going on to build off of.

I think this is a pretty good explanation. It makes sense to me. And I'm super exciting for 2015. So much so that I actually bought my Wii U back yesterday (I had sold it 8 months ago after purchasing it on launch day). I got a pretty sweet deal last night: Black 32gig Wii U Deluxe, Super Mario 3d World, Windwaker HD, Mario Kart 8, Zombi U, Shovel Knight, and 44 bucks on the eShop account for $300. I'm really happy with the deal.

I downloaded Golden Sun (RPG I've heard raved about but never got to play), Advance Wars, Armillo, Pushmo World, and Ittle Dew. Absolutely no complaints here

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The games that are out are fantastic but I wish there were more choices

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Jazzer94

I just would like more genres supported and in most cases a few games of the same genre (not platformers though enough of those).

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It's lacking variety for now and the foreseeable future.

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PilksUK

Like others have stated I would like to see Nintendo branch out into some of the other and older IP's but they are playing it safe with Mario,Smash and Zelda titles which means there is not much variety.

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jariw

Since AFAIK the OP doesn't have a Wii U, the thread becomes a bit confusing to me. Obviously, the OP will enjoy the Wii lineup more, since that's a system the OP owns and have played a lot?

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PilksUK

jariw wrote:

Since AFAIK the OP doesn't have a Wii U, the thread becomes a bit confusing to me. Obviously, the OP will enjoy the Wii lineup more, since that's a system the OP owns and have played a lot?

@jariw His OP reads like he does have a WII U and never said he didn't.

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