Topic: I'm saying it = third parties suck

I'm sticking to my guns with the thought that s*** could be better, but it's not. The Wii U should technically be like 2× more capable, graphically and on OS terms in comparison to the Xbox 360.

I really want to think these occurrences aren't on purpose, but it's getting harder and harder to think otherwise.

Mario is out this month...just chill out and enjoy that

I don't know if I would be so harsh on ALL third parties, since Ubisoft seems to be doing a fine job - but EA really should shut up for a while. They made the worst port ever on the Wii U with FIFA 13, they made the most pointless port ever on the Wii U with Mass Effect 3 and only got it right with Need for Speed Most Wanted - releasing it four months after the other versions.

Also, when they say "we are where gamers are" they are being arrogant. In this sentence they 1) treat the Wii U as non-gamers; at least they're being coherent here, since their ports didn't seem to be aimed at gamers, maybe an elephant would get it better 2) they market Ps4 and XONE, saying the "true gamers" will be there.

Ubisoft support is fine IMO, WB cutting the pointless multiplayer out of Batman is also ok. What makes me sad is how JP 3rd parties seem dead, I'd love to see some old Sega/Capcom/Namco franchise reborn as Wii U exclusives.

If you had a company of your own you problably wouldnt want to throw your money into a lost cause either.

I honestly wanted a far ruder response once I saw the Ubisoft bashing. Barring maybe Sega there is no major 3rd party more understanding than Ubisoft. Between the effort put into the Gamepad for ZombiU and Rayman Legends (whose delay bs was made up for by giving me 20 enjoyable hours of a completely free challenge mode) that even surpasses most of Nintendo's output and putting their big hardcore titles on the console (at least stuff announced before this year's E3) on a console that's had abysmal 2013 sales, no I think Ubisoft's support is reasonable.

THIS! THIS! THIS!
I am so happy Nintendo added tick boxes to miiverse so I know if the person praising or bashing a game even has the damn thing. I am going to steal this quote some day Mr. Bloke

If we're just talking about the WiiU, I like Ubisoft. From day one, they threw up their hands and yelled "we love this thing! Let's throw exclusives at it!" From a business standpoint it probably wasn't the best idea, but gaming isn't always about making smart business decisions and I can respect publishers who break the norm.

As for EA, I thought what happened was that they employed business practices to squeeze every last penny out of their customers. And then the customers voted them as the worst company in America. And then EA were good sports and stopped doing most of those business practices. They also gave a lot of money to charity and supported causes which no other publisher is doing at the moment. Effectively they went from mildly evil (I say mildly because all they were doing can be justified as rational business decisions, not just decisions designed to tick people off) to not at all evil. But at the end of the day, they're a business.

Let's face the facts for a second here. Yes, the WiiU isn't doing so hot. It's not doomed but it's not setting the world on fire either. And when a publisher puts a game on the WiiU, they know it's going to compete with Nintendo's own games. When publishers go to huge lengths to put their games on Nintendo consoles, it's most likely not because they think the WiiU sales will get them a little more money in the bank. It's because they feel they've made a good game and they don't want the Nintendo fans to miss out on it. We can't possibly call them evil for giving us games, even if they are missing stuff like DLC. Nowadays ports can't possibly be cash grabs because publishers know there isn't much cash to grab from doing so. Their games are on your console because they like Nintendo and they like you. Doesn't that make you feel a little better?

Whoops, wrote an essay

Having all your big 2013 releases on there is supportive but then they come up with ways to screw things up as release nears. As Splinter Cell came out they randomly said it doesn't have offline co-op so people cancelled their pre-orders. same with AC IV. It is Rayman Legends being the most glaring though. Ubisoft missed a chance with this. Despite the delay and being moved to other systems it still sold best on Wii U. It could have given the system a slight boost in sales way back in March and they wouldn't have gotten the backlash they did. Plus they could always port it to the others with late releases later. I'm saying that while Ubisoft definitely has the lineup there, they come out with moves that put other people off.

Companies have done the same thing with the Vita. In fact Vita is proof despite all these generalizations the graphics gamer makes about Nintendo and their fanbase, third party games are not immune to failing on Sony systems either. Guess where Rayman Legends flopped extremely hard. It wouldn't have anything to do with missing nearly 30 levels would it? Guitardude hit what my point was. Its easy to blame Nintendo but the companies are responsible for their products. It seems to me because Wii and PSP didn't give the majority the returns they were expecting they are treating the successors as something to throw the scrapings on and then they act surprised when the games flop.

I do agree Ubisoft is supportive of Wii U but some of the decisions they have made haven't helped them win on this system.

sorry but Nintendo is not entirely blameless they knew what happened with the the Wii in terms of third party support and it was their job to prove developers and consumers their next console was not gonna be the same thing and they didn't, everything about the Wii U screams that it is another Wii, the only thing they solve was the input issue but that wasn't the only problem.

@Atariboy one thing that people often forget was the limited capacity of Game Cube propietary mini dvd based discs, it was of course not as bad as N64 cartridges but it was still an issue.

An as I always say third parties do support Nintendo in handhelds, Capcom for example has been as integral as Nintendo itself to the success of the 3DS, Street Fighter IV was the silver lining of the launch lineup when Nintendo first party support was limited to the universally panned Steel Diver and Nintendogs. Resident Evil Revelations remains the best advertisement of 3DS hardware capabilities when Nintendo own trusted second party partner GameFreaks is talking down the console saying its uncapable of running some very primitive graphics on 3D. Monster Hunter have been key to 3DS success in Japan. So its not a problem of third parties having an irrational hate for Nintendo, is a problem of the Wii U not being a console attractive to third party developers or to gamers interested in third party games

The only flop Nintendo has blame for is Wonderful 101 but that will probably turn itself around over the years. How exactly are they responsible for EA? Its like EA were deliberately trying to fail. I was the most excited person on Earth for Mass Effect 3 and you know, they couldn't even wait until February to make the announcement of the trilogy release on other systems. To make matters worse, they actually released them earlier then Wii U itself. They used SR as lab rats and sent the thing to die. Or you could be right. I guess it will be Sony's fault when Fifa 14 on Vita flops for the exact same reason Fifa 13 flopped on Wii U. And truthfully we all know Need for Speed could have been there at launch.

EA is to blame entirely for these failures. Nintendo even went through the trouble of promoting ME3 through a Nintendo Direct TWICE! No way it is their fault.

Agree completely. Third parties suck. They could have made the Wii U so amazing but the games they release are far and between. It was the same with the Wii but it is even more stupid now. The Game Pad is so incredible for so many games that third party games develop. It is a dream to play with good integration. When Wii U reaches the end of its life, there will not be 50 Arkham City: AE's nor 25 Zombi U's. There will not be more Special Editions of Mass Effect nor will there be magnificent exclusive games that use the game pad. They suck, it's true.

This is also completely true, but the sad thing is that when third parties do put some effort their games are the best. The best games on the Wii (after the Galaxies, Zelda and Metroid) IMO are third party efforts. And the best games on the Wii U are third parties. They can create the best games. Whether it's Resident Evil 4 or Zombi U, these games are incredible. But one or two companies developing great games, and 20 others are awol and impotent and oblivious t the Wii U all together.

OK my two cents on this whole situation (TL:DR you've been warned) EVERYONE is to blame. First lets start with the worst of them, EA. Releasing ME 3 when the other platforms got the trilogy was the daftest thing that could have happened, if this was another console I find it very unlikely that anyone would have bothered with a "Special" edition that contained no additional support and was the same price as the trilogy. FIFA and Madden have been covered but here's the interesting thing, they released NFS:MW U at a time when there was nothing out for the Wii U and Rayman got delayed, it contained PC textures and the Ultimate Speed pack, yet during a time when there was nothing else releasing for the system people still didn't buy it.

Warner Bros released Batman AC at launch which had all the DLC and some really good uses of the gamepad yet sales for that didn't set the world on fire. And before people say that the game suffered from choppy framerates and texture loading, I had 360 and the first Mass Effect had the same problem but that did alright and if you really want to talk about choppy framerates look at Skyrim or Transformers: Fall Of Cybertron on the PS3, they still sold pretty well (Maybe not TF)!

And that's were I come to the Wii U audience who are to blame, oh we wont buy this game cause it has glitches or it's missing features. To Say that people wouldn't buy SplinterCell cause it's missing local co-op was a puzzling decision for me. One feature....ONE FEATURE AND YOU WONT BUY IT!?! Yet you still have the same single player as the other, the same upcoming DLC as the others, THE ONLY VERSION TO PLAY IN 720P AND YET YOU STILL WONT GET IT!?! Then there's Assassin's Creed 4, same single player, far improved frame rate then the previous version, all the launch DLC of the others, same multiplayer, BUT BECAUSE IT WONT HAVE THE POST LAUNCH DLC YOU WONT GET IT?!?!?

Some of you people need to stop acting so entitled cause I find it odd that you wont get one of those games but you'll buy Mario 3D World which doesn't have online Multiplayer, DLC or some of the other features missing which are the reason for you not getting certain 3rd party games. And before you say oh Mario wasn't designed for online mulitplayer or something like that, then it's not designed for local either. Don't get me wrong I'm getting Mario 3D Land when it comes out, but I'm also going to be buying GOOD third party comes when they come out too. Just don't cry on here when third parties decide not to support the Wii U cause of your asinine reasoning!

Know what? I have to say, a large part of the problem is that gamers feel entitled these days. We demand things of companies that don't make financial sense, punish them when they don't give them to us, and if they do, we wait until the game is cheaper or buy it used, giving them less or even no money for the game to save five dollars.

That's not all, though. Nintendo could have more actively involved developers in their launch. They involved Ubisoft, to be sure, but nobody else had anything to show except ports. Ports that weren't as good on the Wii U as they were on the consoles you probably already had. This is one of the things we can blame on the third parties. A little more effort would've been nice.

Now the Wii U suffers from a combination of poor install base and not enough games. Most of the upcoming big releases on Wii U right now are platformers, and, as good as Mario 3D World looks, that's not going to pull people out of the market for the new consoles that are releasing the week before and the day of.

In all honesty, everyone kind of did this to Nintendo, and they're now working their tanuki tails off to fix it. Losing the casual market has been pretty hard on the poor Big N. This might explain the influx of Mario games, which consistently sell millions. They also have to deal with their first HD console, which is probably a bigger deal than we think. But if they're working this hard, I honestly wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they managed to win their audience back the same way the 3DS did; A nice long string of amazing titles, and a respectable back log, within two years of release. We'll soon see Zelda U, Smash U, probably another Mario U, and if we're lucky, one of our favorite space-themed Nintendo franchises will make one heck of a comeback (Take your pick. Star Fox, F-Zero, Metroid, whatevs).

Also, hi, new to the forums and probably won't be posting much. Hah.

Edit: tldr: What that guy said.

@Taffy it depends, your reasoning is correct for people that only have a Wii U, if people do have ps3 of 360 and can get the game on those platforms for the same price with extra features, why would they buy in the Wii U instead... to support Nintendo because they love them? yah but that's only fanboys that's not something most consumers will do.

@taffy calm down mate there's no need to yell at the MadBloke. I have all the 3rd party games, I bought every single one of them as the more expensive DIGITAL 4 LYFE versions because they run smooth with better framerates and less load times (except NFSMWU) which seems to crash more than the cars do during the game when it actually works. Hell, I even double dipped on ZombiU & Assassins Creed 3 now that they're AU$17.00 in the eShop when I already have them on disc... The main point I'm trying to establish is you all need a nice job that pays the Mad stacks like the Aussie has, only then will 3rd parties think you're all top Blokes

@fertherpoet cause in point for Arkham city with the exclusive armor, or what about Ninja Gaiden 3 with exclusive weapons, increased difficulty, gore (cause we all know it can only be hardcore when there's gore sarcasm) and new character missions.

There's a bit of double standards going on here from what I can see, I was a mulitplat owner (had 360 and Wii but traded them in for Wii U) but the Wii U has some really good third party games which have been ignored, I've pointed out the duds and left out a few more otherwise my last post would have been a thesis but to see people here say that they wont support a game for some trivial reason is beyond me, there will always be exclusive feature/s on the Wii U with the off tv function.

Last thing, it makes me laugh when NL report on something bad about the Wii U be it Patcher or some designer rubbishing it or bad sales then to look in the comment section with people saying "OH NL please stop reporting bad news all the time about Wii U". Then when a feature is missing from a game, as minor as it may be you'll see "Oh lazy developer DERP, I'm not supporting that company DERP!". I do want to emphasize about supporting GOOD games not just anything that comes on the Wii U.

URGH some much for keeping this short :-s TL:DR everyone

EDIT: @MadAussieBloke you're an Aussie so I've got no beef with you, although you guys should have beaten England over the weekend, just pointing to some of the drongo's over here who need to rack off. Sometimes i just read the comments section and just think... Fair Dinkem?

@taffy more like 'bloody fair dinkum mate'

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fairdinkum

Yes, just because you gave a few examples of third parties that were rude and/or lazy, that automatically gives you the grounds to stereotype all third parties. Don't get me wrong, your opinion is your own and no one can take that from you, but it's comparable to a blind mole stating it hates the light.

Really not that to far fetched to understand.
1)Based off of pure votes
2)Said companies are "removed" from your personal day to day dealings
3)Those other terrible companies are typically in industries that there is a certain level of expected bad