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Guitardude7 wrote:

It's third parties fault their games aren't doing well on Wii U. Most of them are lazy ports of year old games, others are a port of a game with some features missing and possibly no DLC release and some are just plain rushed. Third Parties never truly gave Wii U a chance and then claimed it was our fault when their half-assed efforts didn't do well with our console. This is part of the reason why I could care less for third parties and think their importance is really minimal. They act as if the Big 3 gaming companies are the ones who should bend to there every whim when really, it should be the other way around. They're arrogant and need to be taken down a notch.

I am not sure you are actually playing any of these 3rd party games... Seriously. AC IV - Awesome on Wii U, really, if you aren't buying this on the system you like, Wii U, because of no DLC, GO AWAY, stop playing video games. Why deprive yourself?

Deus Ex - awesome on Wii U, really worth $50 if have never played it,
Both Batman Games - Great on Wii U, especially Origins compared to other platforms,

NFS Most Wanted - Awesome on Wii U, Mass Effect 3 - while not timed right, should have been trilogy, was very well done,
Monster Hunter 3 U,
Rayman for the love of PETE!
the Lego games, Marvel and Undercover...

Seriously. There are a couple more games too. I do not understand some people. That is easily a year to a year and a half of good to great gaming. Quit your whining.

All of those game were worth every penny I paid for them. I don't know what you guys are thinking. You want 3rd party support, buy the games. People need to stop thinking about perceived slights by big companies or what they think they are missing out on, and just buy the games for the systems you want to play them on, and ENJOY THE GAMES....

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22. Posted:

@tebunker Wow. Another great comment. What a discussion :)

I own a Wii U and 3DS. I do plan on getting a PS4 someday :D

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23. Posted:

Also Sonic Lost World is more hardcore than Mario 3D World ;)

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Also Sonic Lost World is more hardcore than Mario 3D World ;)

Mario controls like a new born baby snail in Super Mario Chore Galaxy, where as Sonic is blazing at the speed of light through all of his mediocre mixed bag cool-dudes adventures. ;) Gex is the only in between balance.

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I'm sticking to my guns with the thought that s*** could be better, but it's not. The Wii U should technically be like 2× more capable, graphically and on OS terms in comparison to the Xbox 360.

I really want to think these occurrences aren't on purpose, but it's getting harder and harder to think otherwise.

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SCAR392 wrote:

I'm sticking to my guns with the thought that s*** could be better, but it's not. The Wii U should technically be like 2× more capable, graphically and on OS terms in comparison to the Xbox 360.

I really want to think these occurrences aren't on purpose, but it's getting harder and harder to think otherwise.

Am i the only one who doesn't give a Koopaling crap about this? The Wii U visuals are good enough for me, it's the innovative gameplay features of the Wii U gamepad that interest me the most, and then finally being able to experience Nintendo games in HD+360Plus graphics. Most of NIntendo's characters will never go beyond the look of a modern day pixar film, so in terms of just nintendo games i don't really see the need to have all of that extra horse power this instant, the leap would be unatural since the Wii skipped the typical next-gen visual leap and that just wouldn't be nintndo-like. Mario 'visually' is going to reach a mute point pretty quick, possibly 'next gen' i bet it won't get any better than his CG appearance in the Super Smash Bros U trailer and i'm absolutely fine with that.

Heck, look at Kirby, Kirby's already reached his end haha. ;)

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Mario is out this month...just chill out and enjoy that :-)

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I don't know if I would be so harsh on ALL third parties, since Ubisoft seems to be doing a fine job - but EA really should shut up for a while. They made the worst port ever on the Wii U with FIFA 13, they made the most pointless port ever on the Wii U with Mass Effect 3 and only got it right with Need for Speed Most Wanted - releasing it four months after the other versions.

Also, when they say "we are where gamers are" they are being arrogant. In this sentence they 1) treat the Wii U as non-gamers; at least they're being coherent here, since their ports didn't seem to be aimed at gamers, maybe an elephant would get it better 2) they market Ps4 and XONE, saying the "true gamers" will be there.

Ubisoft support is fine IMO, WB cutting the pointless multiplayer out of Batman is also ok. What makes me sad is how JP 3rd parties seem dead, I'd love to see some old Sega/Capcom/Namco franchise reborn as Wii U exclusives.

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29. Posted:

If you had a company of your own you problably wouldnt want to throw your money into a lost cause either.

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I honestly wanted a far ruder response once I saw the Ubisoft bashing. Barring maybe Sega there is no major 3rd party more understanding than Ubisoft. Between the effort put into the Gamepad for ZombiU and Rayman Legends (whose delay bs was made up for by giving me 20 enjoyable hours of a completely free challenge mode) that even surpasses most of Nintendo's output and putting their big hardcore titles on the console (at least stuff announced before this year's E3) on a console that's had abysmal 2013 sales, no I think Ubisoft's support is reasonable.

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MadAussieBloke wrote:

This is what Regginator was saying about people whinging about lack of games then when they get them it is all about wanting more... Gamers are a bunch of unsatisfied punks ;)

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If we're just talking about the WiiU, I like Ubisoft. From day one, they threw up their hands and yelled "we love this thing! Let's throw exclusives at it!" From a business standpoint it probably wasn't the best idea, but gaming isn't always about making smart business decisions and I can respect publishers who break the norm.

As for EA, I thought what happened was that they employed business practices to squeeze every last penny out of their customers. And then the customers voted them as the worst company in America. And then EA were good sports and stopped doing most of those business practices. They also gave a lot of money to charity and supported causes which no other publisher is doing at the moment. Effectively they went from mildly evil (I say mildly because all they were doing can be justified as rational business decisions, not just decisions designed to tick people off) to not at all evil. But at the end of the day, they're a business.

Let's face the facts for a second here. Yes, the WiiU isn't doing so hot. It's not doomed but it's not setting the world on fire either. And when a publisher puts a game on the WiiU, they know it's going to compete with Nintendo's own games. When publishers go to huge lengths to put their games on Nintendo consoles, it's most likely not because they think the WiiU sales will get them a little more money in the bank. It's because they feel they've made a good game and they don't want the Nintendo fans to miss out on it. We can't possibly call them evil for giving us games, even if they are missing stuff like DLC. Nowadays ports can't possibly be cash grabs because publishers know there isn't much cash to grab from doing so. Their games are on your console because they like Nintendo and they like you. Doesn't that make you feel a little better?

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kkslider5552000 wrote:

I honestly wanted a far ruder response once I saw the Ubisoft bashing. Barring maybe Sega there is no major 3rd party more understanding than Ubisoft. Between the effort put into the Gamepad for ZombiU and Rayman Legends (whose delay bs was made up for by giving me 20 enjoyable hours of a completely free challenge mode) that even surpasses most of Nintendo's output and putting their big hardcore titles on the console (at least stuff announced before this year's E3) on a console that's had abysmal 2013 sales, no I think Ubisoft's support is reasonable.

Having all your big 2013 releases on there is supportive but then they come up with ways to screw things up as release nears. As Splinter Cell came out they randomly said it doesn't have offline co-op so people cancelled their pre-orders. same with AC IV. It is Rayman Legends being the most glaring though. Ubisoft missed a chance with this. Despite the delay and being moved to other systems it still sold best on Wii U. It could have given the system a slight boost in sales way back in March and they wouldn't have gotten the backlash they did. Plus they could always port it to the others with late releases later. I'm saying that while Ubisoft definitely has the lineup there, they come out with moves that put other people off.

Companies have done the same thing with the Vita. In fact Vita is proof despite all these generalizations the graphics gamer makes about Nintendo and their fanbase, third party games are not immune to failing on Sony systems either. Guess where Rayman Legends flopped extremely hard. It wouldn't have anything to do with missing nearly 30 levels would it? Guitardude hit what my point was. Its easy to blame Nintendo but the companies are responsible for their products. It seems to me because Wii and PSP didn't give the majority the returns they were expecting they are treating the successors as something to throw the scrapings on and then they act surprised when the games flop.

I do agree Ubisoft is supportive of Wii U but some of the decisions they have made haven't helped them win on this system.

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sorry but Nintendo is not entirely blameless they knew what happened with the the Wii in terms of third party support and it was their job to prove developers and consumers their next console was not gonna be the same thing and they didn't, everything about the Wii U screams that it is another Wii, the only thing they solve was the input issue but that wasn't the only problem.

@Atariboy one thing that people often forget was the limited capacity of Game Cube propietary mini dvd based discs, it was of course not as bad as N64 cartridges but it was still an issue.

An as I always say third parties do support Nintendo in handhelds, Capcom for example has been as integral as Nintendo itself to the success of the 3DS, Street Fighter IV was the silver lining of the launch lineup when Nintendo first party support was limited to the universally panned Steel Diver and Nintendogs. Resident Evil Revelations remains the best advertisement of 3DS hardware capabilities when Nintendo own trusted second party partner GameFreaks is talking down the console saying its uncapable of running some very primitive graphics on 3D. Monster Hunter have been key to 3DS success in Japan. So its not a problem of third parties having an irrational hate for Nintendo, is a problem of the Wii U not being a console attractive to third party developers or to gamers interested in third party games

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ferthepoet wrote:

sorry but Nintendo is not entirely blameless they knew what happened with the the Wii in terms of third party support and it was their job to prove developers and consumers their next console was not gonna be the same thing and they didn't, everything about the Wii U screams that it is another Wii, the only thing they solve was the input issue but that wasn't the only problem.

The only flop Nintendo has blame for is Wonderful 101 but that will probably turn itself around over the years. How exactly are they responsible for EA? Its like EA were deliberately trying to fail. I was the most excited person on Earth for Mass Effect 3 and you know, they couldn't even wait until February to make the announcement of the trilogy release on other systems. To make matters worse, they actually released them earlier then Wii U itself. They used SR as lab rats and sent the thing to die. Or you could be right. I guess it will be Sony's fault when Fifa 14 on Vita flops for the exact same reason Fifa 13 flopped on Wii U. And truthfully we all know Need for Speed could have been there at launch.

EA is to blame entirely for these failures. Nintendo even went through the trouble of promoting ME3 through a Nintendo Direct TWICE! No way it is their fault.

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Agree completely. Third parties suck. They could have made the Wii U so amazing but the games they release are far and between. It was the same with the Wii but it is even more stupid now. The Game Pad is so incredible for so many games that third party games develop. It is a dream to play with good integration. When Wii U reaches the end of its life, there will not be 50 Arkham City: AE's nor 25 Zombi U's. There will not be more Special Editions of Mass Effect nor will there be magnificent exclusive games that use the game pad. They suck, it's true.

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Nintendo tried hard to go head to head against the competition with the GameCube after struggling due to their decision to stick with cartridges and managed to come in behind a newcomer even despite healthy 3rd party support during the first several years, a powerful console that was easy to work with, and no serious deficiencies. So it's no mistake that this console isn't equivalent in power to the PS4 and Xbox One. That wasn't their goal just like it wasn't their goal the last time out the gate. An economical platform that's efficient and easy to program for that can host HD Nintendo games was their goal.

This is also completely true, but the sad thing is that when third parties do put some effort their games are the best. The best games on the Wii (after the Galaxies, Zelda and Metroid) IMO are third party efforts. And the best games on the Wii U are third parties. They can create the best games. Whether it's Resident Evil 4 or Zombi U, these games are incredible. But one or two companies developing great games, and 20 others are awol and impotent and oblivious t the Wii U all together.

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OK my two cents on this whole situation (TL:DR you've been warned) EVERYONE is to blame. First lets start with the worst of them, EA. Releasing ME 3 when the other platforms got the trilogy was the daftest thing that could have happened, if this was another console I find it very unlikely that anyone would have bothered with a "Special" edition that contained no additional support and was the same price as the trilogy. FIFA and Madden have been covered but here's the interesting thing, they released NFS:MW U at a time when there was nothing out for the Wii U and Rayman got delayed, it contained PC textures and the Ultimate Speed pack, yet during a time when there was nothing else releasing for the system people still didn't buy it.

Warner Bros released Batman AC at launch which had all the DLC and some really good uses of the gamepad yet sales for that didn't set the world on fire. And before people say that the game suffered from choppy framerates and texture loading, I had 360 and the first Mass Effect had the same problem but that did alright and if you really want to talk about choppy framerates look at Skyrim or Transformers: Fall Of Cybertron on the PS3, they still sold pretty well (Maybe not TF)!

And that's were I come to the Wii U audience who are to blame, oh we wont buy this game cause it has glitches or it's missing features. To Say that people wouldn't buy SplinterCell cause it's missing local co-op was a puzzling decision for me. One feature....ONE FEATURE AND YOU WONT BUY IT!?! Yet you still have the same single player as the other, the same upcoming DLC as the others, THE ONLY VERSION TO PLAY IN 720P AND YET YOU STILL WONT GET IT!?! Then there's Assassin's Creed 4, same single player, far improved frame rate then the previous version, all the launch DLC of the others, same multiplayer, BUT BECAUSE IT WONT HAVE THE POST LAUNCH DLC YOU WONT GET IT?!?!?

Some of you people need to stop acting so entitled cause I find it odd that you wont get one of those games but you'll buy Mario 3D World which doesn't have online Multiplayer, DLC or some of the other features missing which are the reason for you not getting certain 3rd party games. And before you say oh Mario wasn't designed for online mulitplayer or something like that, then it's not designed for local either. Don't get me wrong I'm getting Mario 3D Land when it comes out, but I'm also going to be buying GOOD third party comes when they come out too. Just don't cry on here when third parties decide not to support the Wii U cause of your asinine reasoning!

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38. Posted:

taffy wrote:

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Know what? I have to say, a large part of the problem is that gamers feel entitled these days. We demand things of companies that don't make financial sense, punish them when they don't give them to us, and if they do, we wait until the game is cheaper or buy it used, giving them less or even no money for the game to save five dollars.

That's not all, though. Nintendo could have more actively involved developers in their launch. They involved Ubisoft, to be sure, but nobody else had anything to show except ports. Ports that weren't as good on the Wii U as they were on the consoles you probably already had. This is one of the things we can blame on the third parties. A little more effort would've been nice.

Now the Wii U suffers from a combination of poor install base and not enough games. Most of the upcoming big releases on Wii U right now are platformers, and, as good as Mario 3D World looks, that's not going to pull people out of the market for the new consoles that are releasing the week before and the day of.

In all honesty, everyone kind of did this to Nintendo, and they're now working their tanuki tails off to fix it. Losing the casual market has been pretty hard on the poor Big N. This might explain the influx of Mario games, which consistently sell millions. They also have to deal with their first HD console, which is probably a bigger deal than we think. But if they're working this hard, I honestly wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they managed to win their audience back the same way the 3DS did; A nice long string of amazing titles, and a respectable back log, within two years of release. We'll soon see Zelda U, Smash U, probably another Mario U, and if we're lucky, one of our favorite space-themed Nintendo franchises will make one heck of a comeback (Take your pick. Star Fox, F-Zero, Metroid, whatevs).

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@Taffy it depends, your reasoning is correct for people that only have a Wii U, if people do have ps3 of 360 and can get the game on those platforms for the same price with extra features, why would they buy in the Wii U instead... to support Nintendo because they love them? yah but that's only fanboys that's not something most consumers will do.

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MadAussieBloke wrote:

This is what Regginator was saying about people whinging about lack of games then when they get them it is all about wanting more... Gamers are a bunch of unsatisfied punks ;)

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