Topic: idea to attract ps4/xboxone customers to wii u

Statistics and analysis are both used to interpret the same facts in countless ways.

That said, SCAR is wrong about everything.

The quality of the game tends not to matter. The games that are getting kids into gaming these days tend to be Mincrradt, Disney Infinty, Skylanders, Call of Duty, and Sports Games.

@skywake
Microsoft's differing support for their platforms does technically exist, though, and Microsoft's PC programs not existing on Xbox is 100% proof of that, regardless of how relevant you think it is. The brand loyalty is an entirely different subject. If people boight Xbox, because of Microsoft's involvement, that doesn't mean they bought it for Microsoft Word. The whole they "buy products from Microsoft because they're patriotic Americans and maybe even slightly racist" thing, is completely ridiculous. Hopefully you understand why. That's not even part of the subject anymore.

@Jazzer94
I don't even know what kind of resolution it would considered anymore. The horizontal resolution is cut in half, but the visual data you are seeing to see 3D is technically 1/3 of a pixel, because that is where each point of the 3D is created. The other 2/3 of the pixels are used to create whatever you aren't currently focused on, which would be what you see in 2D. I'm not making this up. You are technically losing visual data in 2D mode, because that's not how our eyes are designed to look at things. When you turn the 3D mode on, you are seeing 33.33% more of the image than if it were in 2D mode. 33.33% more of a 240p image; think about it.

People don't buy into Windows because of Microsoft's products. People buy into Windows because it came with the computer and works well enough. Then the first thing they do is install Chrome, Steam, Spotify, VLC none of which are Microsoft products. Why not switch to Linux or OSX? Well because Windows comes in the box and because it comes in the box only Windows has all of the big games. You're not going to spend a grand on a shiny new gaming PC and install Linux on it so you can't play the next Assassin's Creed.....

Then when they possibly go over to the console side of things? All of that's irrelivent because they didn't buy into Windows because of the Microsoft brand. PC gamers overall are pretty angry with Microsoft if anything. They brought into it because Microsoft has a monopoly because for most people it comes in the box. They don't have a loyal fanbase so much, they do have control of the market.

If it's actual brand loyalty and not simply "barracking for the home team" thing and it's actually a belief that "Microsoft does gaming good" then explain why the XBOne is being outsold 3:1 in Europe but only 4:3 in North America. Especially given that the rest of the world is just as bound to Windows as the US is. Clearly what you call "brand loyalty" has nothing to do with the product, more likely it's "American Patriotism". I've never heard of any Australian think in the way you describe.

and no, again, I haven't once argued that Microsoft doesn't support XBox and Windows differently. What I have said is that they don't have an advantage in the console space because of Windows. Purely because they don't really support PC gaming much at all. For a PC gamer they're not missing out on anything if they go PC + PS4 over PC + XBOne or visa versa outside of what people who generally pick PS4 over XBOne do. Which isn't much because PS4 and XBOne are more or less the same platform anyway.

let me make this easy for you:
PC or XBOne? Different
PC or PS4? Same different as above
PS4 and XBOne? Similar
PC and PS4 or PC and XBOne? Similar in the same way as above

Id say the only way to attract Xbox and Playstation customers is to just dump a bunch of crap shooters onto the Wii U and call it a day. Or go with the better strategy of lots of exclusives with diversity and uniqueness, things people have never seen before.

@skywake
Well, I've never heard of anyone buying Microsoft products being defined as "patriotic". That must be an Australian thing Anyway, it's no different than what we are currently seeing with PS4 or any other console that has sold well. Are we gonna call people who bought PS back in 1994, patriotic, because they trusted the Sony brand? That happened, by the way, You're far more likely to see someone buy a product if they are already familar with the particular brand.

This type of logic was actually more apparent in people like our parents. They knew what Walkman was, they knew what Nintendo was, etc. So when we were more childish than we are now, our parents were buying the Nintendo 64, or they were buying the PS for alot of these PS4 owners. I know people who are also strictly PS fans, JUST BECAUSE their parents bought them that sweet PS1 back in '96, possibly because of Sony being a big name with the Walkman tape or CD player. That's also why Sony wanted CDs, because they were already trying to push CDs on their audio devices. Nintendo wanted cartridges, because that's what they always worked with. CDs being used for PS was technically a format a associated how Sony ran business outside of PS. People trust that type of thing. This is just rambling.

YUP!

Well except there are territorial differences. Historically "Europe" hasn't been as big a fan of Nintendo but has always loved Playstation and Sega. Japan likes Playstation and Nintendo about equally but doesn't have time at all for XBox. The US however were the only guys to make Atari big AND they were the guys who pushed XBox by far the hardest. The rest of the world last gen was #1 Wii, #2 PS3, #3 360 by quite a distance, which makes sense given all of the RROD and so on. In the US however it was #1 360, #2 Wii, #3 PS3 by quite a distance. And now again so far this generation the US is making PS4/XBOne potentially a tight race? Well in Europe PS4 is well out ahead.

You say that this is all because of a "brand loyalty" because of Windows? Well Windows is a global thing, it's ubiquitous. The only thing I can think of to explain this is that Americans would rather buy a console made by an American company. And no, Australian's wouldn't call buying Microsoft products "patriotic", because they're an American product. All I'm saying is that what you describe as "loyalty to Microsoft's products" only really exists in the US. The rest of the world is more than happy to jump ship or chop and change. For some reason however this "loyalty" to Microsoft does exist in the US. The only reason I can think of? It's an American product

And yes, Japan is just as bad with not buying the XBox. However at least in Japan there is some sort of rationale behind it. There aren't many of the games that Japan loves on Microsoft's platform. Now it's a bit of a chicken and egg thing, are there no Japanese style games because it's not big in Japan? Or is it not big in Japan because there are no Japanese style games? Either way I think they're more-or-less as guilty of blind patriotism as the US are here. The only difference being it's also a positive feedback loop unlike the US.....

A number of times in this thread and others people have suggested that Nintendo need to create alternative shooters and open world rpgs to appeal and attract the COD and Skyrim/halo/destiny crowds to WII U but I have to disagree with this, the fact is a game like splatoon is not going to attract the COD players over to WII U and Zelda 2015 is not going to attract the Skyrim/halo/Destiny crowd over.

These titles alone will not attract people to the platform at the end of the day the only thing that will get them to come to WII U or the next Nintendo platform is having the COD's and Halo/skyrim games on the platform plus those little odd ball games and a much needed overhaul of Nintendo's online network.

Why would the Halo and Destiny crowd be expected to like Zelda, in the first place? Maybe Skyrim or Witcher 3, but the other games are entirely different genres.

All these games offer different experiences. If Nintendo gamers won't buy 3rd party games, and people who play Skyrim and won't play Zelda, they are just as close minded as each other. Or, people who play CoD, but not Splatoon, and vice versa. People need to be buying both 1st party AND 3rd party games.

@skywake
It's possible. Like I said, people like our parents even trusted PS as a product, because Sony made it, They trusted Sony for Walkman, so they trusted them for Playstation. My parents always knew I wanted Nintendo, and it was what they bought my other older family members, before I was born. The idea was that people want the SNES, N64, and so on, because they liked the last product.

Maybe you're right about Americans wanting to support Xbox, to invest into their own economy, but that's going a step further than name brand. I was talking about people my age that were PC gamers around the 1999-2001 area. They saw Xbox and thought they'd get some games from PC onto a console, which is appealing in its own right, if you ask me. Some games stayed on PC, so they thought Xbox might change that.

I don't think anyone ever actually thought that, since they are two completely different platforms. Honestly, that is just absurd and I am impressed by the lengths you go to support your arguments haha. Maybe someone who was hugely ignorant of video games back in 1999 thought that PC games would be appearing regularily on the Xbox, but I strongly doubt that anyone still believed that after the first year the Xbox was out.

Wait....I think it all makes sense to me now!!

If you were "talking about about people your age that were PC gamers around 1999-2001", and you are 22 now, that means back in 1999 you were only 6 years old!! So what you are actually saying is "When I was 6 years old I thought that computer games would appear on the Xbox because it was made by Microsoft and they made Windows on my Mom's PC".

After figuring out what is going on here, your childish ignorance at the time can be forgiven for ever thinking that back then. My apologies.

Video game tastes constantly evolve and change Nintendo have had commercial successes as well as failures and the same applies to Sony and Microsoft there is no reason next gen it won't be the next Xbox that is suffering. In the meantime if Nintendo can at least reward those that have stayed loyal it might help make a good start to the next gen.

@Beetlejuice
Ya. I was 8-9 years old when Xbox came out. I wanted Xbox when it came out, because of the Mad Dash demo at Sears, but I could only choose one and specifically wanted Smash Bros. Melee to begin with, so I chose GCN. I think you got the point. Dreamcast was already gone by this point, too, so PC, Nintendo, and Sony were technically all there was anymore. I was already playing some games on my family PC, so it made sense to me that Microsoft was making a game console. The Microsoft logo shows up everytime you boot up your PC, so ya.

Minecraft I can agree with, and Sports games will always be their own niche, but I personally wouldn't want kids within 100 feet of Skylander/Disney Infinity just on the grounds of them costing a crapload of money for so little return. And of course I don't agree with Call of Duty being such a big thing with kids. Those aren't kids games. They aren't "fun for the whole family" and they aren't exactly good gateways to a myriad of genres the way Nintendo's games tend to be. I don't want to turn this into a huge rant, but your post has, for the most part, made me far more worried about the future of gaming (and, in many ways, society as a whole) than anything else...

Idea to attract PS4/XB1 customers to Wii U! Next E3 don't talk about games, just talk about TV apps and Game of Thrones.

The whole, Americans buy Xbox because it's American is pretty ludicrous......I think it's kind of a shallow view, I guess you can look at something like the "buy American" amendments DC tried pushing in the early 2000's and make a short sighted point, but that isn't really indicative of the situation for the Xbox.

Considering I had both the original Xbox and 360 (now the PS4), I think those two consoles appealed to the more core American crowd due to things like bringing over staples from the PC gaming scene in the late 90's, such as dedicated online play, powerful hardware, a good dose of popular genres targeting the teen and twenty-some crowd, etc.

This is just me theory, but I know it holds water for me and quite a few of my friends, a lot of the early adopters of the Xbox were Nintendo 64 owners who had fallen in love with Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Turok 2, and had been turned off by the direction Nintendo was heading in regards to their IP's (cartoon Zelda game, a Mario platformer that seemed strange and quirky to SMB64, and you know, Luigi's Mansion and Pikmin compared to Halo: Combat Evolved and Project Gotham Racing). Plus, most of us had at least dabbled our feet in the PC realm of the late 90's, with stuff like Unreal, Quake 2, Half-Life........Xbox just played it right.

Also, for US Dreamcast owners, that console was dead by mid 2001 and SEGA had already showed strong support for the OG Xbox (Crazy Taxi 3, new Jet Set Radio game, Shenmue 2, SEGA GT, House of the Dead 3).......so it was the obvious choice.

Not because Microsoft is an American company though.

Xbox was really always more of a core gamers console until around 2009 when they tried appealing to the casual crowd. I think Phil Spencer is doing a fine job in brining them back around though.

@SCAR392 & @sub12
As someone who was into PC gaming around that time and was in the "target demographic" for the games Microsoft pushed? I remember thinking of the XBox as more of an modern arcade experience in your house than a PC killer. The PC was all about arena shooters and strategy games while the XBox was all about getting some friends around on a couch to play an arcade racer or Halo multiplayer. I don't think I ever made the assumption that the XBox was the console that PC gamers should migrate to. And yeah, it was a bit of a "this is a modern version of what Nintendo used to be the kings at".

and I don't think that "they made games for Americans, that's why they were bigger there" explains the whole picture. It's no doubt part of it but even then relative to its competitors XBox still performs better in the US than it does in the UK. So there's something else at play I reckon. And if it's about "brand loyalty to Microsoft" and the dude's American? I think it's fair to assume that it's likely we're talking about Americans wanting to buy American.

@skywake

I think the only thing at play is that the PS was huge in Europe (mainly due to FIFA games) and that ever since then people have just continued to stick with the Sony brand.

Also, 'buying American' isn't really that popular when it comes to electronics. Maybe a small portion (relatively speaking) of the population sticks to buying American cars or machinery, but most are happy with buying a Japanese car if it's cheaper and of good quality. When it comes to personal electronics though, likely 95+% (if not 100%) are made in Asia anyway, so Americans don't bother making any conscious effort to go out of their way to buy an American made computer or television because those things don't exist.

The 'buy American' philosophy is only for products that are manufactured in America, as you are buying it to support the local economy. If an American company makes its product in Bangladesh, that philosophy goes out the window. And with the Xbox being made in China or whatever, it doesn't apply to 'buy American'.

Microsoft brand recognition in the US likely helped Xbox sales, but I don't think it was that strong a factor. If the Xbox was made by Samsung and still had Halo and all those same games, it would have likely been just as successful there.