Topic: idea to attract ps4/xboxone customers to wii u

@skywake
I do get it, though. I never said only PC gamers are looking at similarities and such. The point is that it is there. If you don't think that is relevant, than good for you, I guess. That doesn't make me wrong, and I know Microsoft is doing it for the sake of their own convenience, but that should show how Xbox adapting what PC does or vice versa DOES affect the consumer.

PS4 is different than Xbox One. People always talk about media and stuff. PS4 can't do DNLA or CD, right now. That means Xbox is ahead. The media proposition is technically more effective for Xbox than it is PS4. That's why arguing media in the first place as a minus for Wii U is irrelevant, for the most part, because Sony is an audio company that can't even get freaking CDs to run on their console. It shows how far behind Sony has fallen in a market they were the most relevant in before MP3 was a thing, and last time I checked, Sony still has alot of audio support outside of PS4, which is why Sony not supporting CDs and DNLA as soon as Xbox basically makes no sense. We're talking about company support, which you said doesn't effect the consumer experience. This is all explaining otherwise, which is what the discussion was about in the first place.

Lastly, the placements of those parts is relevant, because that's exactly why developers were having trouble with Wii U in comparison to 7th gen platforms. The parts are more powerful and plentiful, but how they are arranged does actually matter, whether you think so or not. If you really think the CPU cores being split up or not is irrelevant, then I guess that discussion was pointless.

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I've personally been holding off on buying a PS4 until they implement a hardware revision that will allow me to play music CDs, and specifically CD-Rs that I have burned myself. If they include a 56k modem jack and a coaxial cable output as well, that would be even better.

As a consumer who owns a PC they're largely the same proposition and I don't think I'm so unique that this only applies to me. I don't look at the XBOne any more or less favourably than I otherwise would because I have a library on Steam. I get zero advantage for being a PC gamer who owns a copy of Windows. None. So to me the PS4 and XBOne are the same proposition. However if I had a Vita, an iPad or 3DS? That may give me some incentive and/or reason to lean towards one platform or another. There are cases where this does happen. However Microsoft owning Windows doesn't push PC gamers towards XBOne nor does it make the XBOne an irrelevant platform anymore than it does so for the PS4.

"People" may be "always" talking about media and stuffs however I didn't. Not once. Frankly I don't care what media functions the box has and I don't think I'm some sort of oddball unique snowflake in that regard. If you're paying $500 or so for a shiny new box specifically to sit under your TV odds are you can do this sort of thing via some other means. If you have a CD collection it's 2014, why do you need your console to support CD playback? More to the point I don't see what this whole paragraph here has to do with Microsoft owning Windows and XBox at all. These aren't "Microsoft only made that choice because Windows" type things.

They're multiplatform game machines that are sold with the premise that they're powerful. They're the same architectures with largely the same games and they're more-or-less as capable as each other. It would be like if in the SNES era Sega had released a console that was identical to the SNES but in a different colour and with some different games. And as far as PC gaming is concerned? The XBox could easily be made by Sega for all the difference it makes to them.

Oh. I thought Xbox One had its cores together, while PS4 had them separated. Being wrong twice MIGHT get me to look into the specs again, but I honestly don't really care anymore. You're wrong about technicalities too, bro. I explained how 3DS gets a higher quality image higher than 240p multiple times already, and you still don't get it. There's always 2 sides to things.

There's only one when it comes to facts.

@skywake
Ok, so all we've figured out is that our discussion basically doesn't matter. Good job, I guess.

Ya, but he was just as wrong as I was. At least I came back to the tread to admit I was wrong. That's why saying I'm always wrong doesn't make sense, because he has been wrong about things I have been right about, so he only saw one side.
EDIT: Also, I wasn't wrong, because of misunderstanding something. I was wrong, because I didn't read closely enough, which does matter. Not knowing about the information is different than misunderstanding the information.

We all know this is the only thing they'll ever want

Nintendo could bolster their OS and software library to reach a wider demographic. I would say they just need more exclusives and get the 3rd party support that actually makes sense. The likes of EA never even gave Wii U a fair shot with their gimped ports of Madden and FIFA 13. That's why some of us don't care, because their support lacks/lacked quality on Wii U, anyway.

I don't think Nintendo was going to sway people who specifically wanted Xbox or PS at this point in time, that currently own just of those, anyway. Most the buyers who were inclined to buy Xbox One or PS4 had already made that decision before they were even revealed early last year. Those people were inconvincible.

A short list of game genres the AAA market has mostly abandoned that Nintendo could support
-Survival Horror
-Non-action stealth games
-Traditional strategy games
-JRPGs
-Platformers that aren't mostly based on co-op
-Japanese games that don't intentionally appeal specifically (if not exclusively) to western audiences
-Non-linear games that aren't huge open world games

just as a start

@kodeen
Widescreen TVs aren't only available in HD, and I was talking specifically about the 3DS screen 5:3 ratio compared to a screen that would be used similarly in 16:9 ratio. Let's try to stay on topic now.

We've figured out or you've finally worked out you were wrong? Because I still stand by my side of this useless argument. Microsoft owning both Windows and XBox causes no bias either for or against the XBOne for PC gamers. PC gamers look at them as largely identical propositions because they are largely identical propositions. The only reason the Wii U is in a different category is because the Wii U is literally in a different category.

As for the other arguments you're having with other people here. Sorry, PS4 and XBOne hardware wise are more-or-less the same. They just are. It's just that one dude decided to get the $150 GPU rather than the $170 one. And on widescreen TV resolutions, there were no TVs or monitors that really came to market that were that low resolution. That format was more for low resolution online video content. You'd be hard pressed to find a widescreen TV that had less pixels than 640x480. And no, the 3DS doesn't magically double pixels, when the 3D is off it goes back to 400x240 (from 800x240). That's why the framerate often jumps back up when you turn 3D off in some games.

@skywake
Dude, Microsoft being involved with both PC and Xbox being relevant is my opinion. You can't argue an opinion. I've seen a handful of people that I know personally, decide to buy Xbox because of Microsofts involvement with PC and the Windows platform. If that doesn't apply to you, then ok.

That difference in GPU matters. I shouldn't even have to explain why.

When the parallax barrier refracts the image and your eyes see it, the 3D image is formed. It's called depth of field in the way ot is applied, and it's just as relevant as resolution. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_of_field
So it really depends on how you want to translate depth of field to resolution, but it depends on what your eye is focused on and where it is in the picture.

You can't play the "it's just my opinion" card. You came out guns a blazing claiming that XBox and PS4 were entirely different platforms because of the way Microsoft behaves in relation to it's products. That the "more important decision" was XBOne vs PC because that's where it's at. You even went on a rant about Microsoft Office and CD-R support for some reason. Now you've retracted to the point where it's purely a question of brand loyalty.

Well if that's what you meant then you would have said that some people will only buy products from Microsoft because they're patriotic Americans and maybe even slightly racist. Because that's what it amounts to.

Doesn't change the fact that the 3DS is displaying the image at 240p.

I do think Nintendo needs to change a little, but I do like that they try to just do what they do and not always do what everyone else is doing. It's gives them a distinct identity. Also, remember kids? You know, the thing you were before you grew up? Nintendo remembers them at least, which is why they're one of the few companies still making good games that can appeal to them - oh sure, there are still lots of kids games out there, but I can assure you most of them are terrible. How are kids supposed to get into gaming when they have nothing good to play? Hopefully Nintendo never stops being the gateway drug.

How to attract PS4 and Xbox 1 gamers to Wii U:
Step 1: Argue about which of X1 and PS4 has better games while clinging on to some misguided belief that Sony and MS are somehow different in their approach to gamers.
Step 2:
Step 3: Huge fanbase comes crawling to Wii U

Not in the Twilight Zone.

That perspective is also what makes them so good at making games that are just fun as well. Even with similar franchises from other companies like little big planet or ratchet and clank they always feel a little off to me. Great franchise to be sure but Nintendo games still give me that Christmas present euphoria.