Topic: idea to attract ps4/xboxone customers to wii u

I think the same can work in reverse too. I'm a core Nintendo fan, but after trying both Sony and MS in different generations I don't feel like I identify with either fan base very well, and if I'm going to spend $800+ on a console (those yearly fees add up faster than you think) I'd rather have a PC that can actually do much more than a console. I found that two consoles is kinda unnecessary, and even the best exclusives usually aren't as good as a system's fanboys make it out to be.

I mean, those scenes between Jonny and Meryl in MGS4 were just cringe worthy...and that's a "perfect" game you should buy a $600 console for? Please.

I think PC and Nintendo kind of go hand in hand, it's just both fanbases don't know their made for each other yet. PS and MS are like to prison inmates...they have each others backs...but you never know when why might give the other the shank!

@R_Champ
Well, except that Xbox and PC are both Microsoft, Them being present in both markets is pretty telling, actually. That's why I think the real choice is between Xbox and PC. The main reason to buy PS4 is graphics. The only other machine that can get PS4 level graphics is PC.

The difference between Xbox and PC is what I think really determines what type of console(s) you'll get, because it is still totally possible to get a Wii U and not care about PC at all. Microsoft said they're working towards a more unified Windows based platform for all their devices, so that will probably be closing the gap between PC and consoles, at least a bit. I don't even really care about PC. All I use it for is basically dealing with SD card stuffs, which Wii U would be able to do if Nintendo programmed it to. If the new 3DS can connect to my Xbox One with its new features, I will basically never need a PC ever again.

@SCAR392
That post literally made zero sense. Saying XBox is "close to PC" makes about as little sense as saying that the PS4 is "close to PC". It being made by the same company has quite literally zero impact on how the devices behave for consumers. The only meaningful interaction between the two is with PC controller support and all three are more-or-less on par. Yeah they sell "360 controllers for PC" but you can get the same dongles for Wii U Pro controllers and AFAIK PS4 controllers pretty much work out of the box on PC

If you really want to boil it down to a simple "gamers who want Y pick platform X" formula then it's pretty simple IMO:
Want multi-platform titles in the best light? PS4 or PC
Want all of the indie titles? PC
Want four player "party" games? Wii U
Want a huge back catalogue of games from the 80s and 90s? Wii U
Want a huge back catalogue of games from the last ten years? PC
Want exclusives for a particular platform? XBOne/PS4/Wii U/PC etc, etc

Prepare for SCAR to school you on PowerPC vs x86 in his reply

Yes it does. People b**** about Wii U not supporting system wide voice chat, more media options, bluray/DVD/CD playback, etc. all the time, even though it can. Wii U can do those things, but Nintendo refrains from allowing it to do so. In terms of hardware, you are correct. The only difference after that is the OS and other available software.

I know the differences between PC and the Xbox One and PS4. All I'm saying is that if someone cares about Xbox One, it's very likely they don't care about PC, and Microsoft's involvement in both markets does matter. They have the leading OS for PCs, and a strong presence in the console market, People draw comparisons between their the type of support based on their brand alone. When Nintendo releases QoL, they are going to connect to their existing platforms, and people are going draw similarities between them, regardless, because of brand name. That's the entire reason why people bought OG Xbox. They know Microsoft makes Windows, then they saw Xbox and thought it would get good games from pretty much being a PC.

EDIT: Just think if Xbox One supported Microsoft Word, Microsoft Paint, etc. by default. Xbox One can still run programs available on PC, but that is not the type of software and OS support it gets.

PC will always be king of indies. There are plenty of games that I, and probably you, haven't heard of coming to PC every day. PC is the real Indie Central. Mobile would probably be in second place for Indies.

Of course I know. That is exactly what I was telling @skywake here. Wii U doesn't have that support, because of Nintendo, but he was saying a company doesn't have any impact on how a system performs for consumers. Wii U throws that statement out of the window, immediately.

That's why I'm also comparing the type of support Windows gets to Xbox One. The Xbox One isn't in the PC market, so Microsoft refrains from supporting Microsoft Word and other Windows programs that would run on the Xbox with no problem. The market isn't there, even though it's using PC hardware.

also, unless Sony is directly involved with those games, I'd bet money they'll be on PC as soon as they can.

Well true but when I said "80s and 90s games" I meant NES/SNES/N64/GB. Nintendo is still king for giving us legal access to that era of gaming IMO

Nothing you mentioned actually divides the PS4 and XBOne in practice. Since when did the PS4 not have Blu-Ray playback? Hell, since when did the average gaming PC still bother to include an optical drive? Who watches Blu-Rays away from their TV? Yeah, people may have brought into the original XBox because it was "PC gaming" but they still got a console. It wasn't long at all before everyone realised that's what was happening. Plus in terms of actual "PC experience" Sony has done a lot more of that on Playstation than Microsoft ever has on XBox. Remember them allowing Linux to run on the PS2/PS3?

As for Office and Paint well for a start with Office nobody cares and why would you want to. You'd type up documents from your couch with a controller? Really? I wonder why that's not a thing. Even worse for your argument there's nothing stopping Nintendo or Sony from creating those sort of applications if they really wanted to. Infact wandering over to MiiVerse for five seconds......


MS has what advantage? You want MSPaint?

The even weirder argument is the "PC gamers have no need for XBox" thing. Well ok, that may have some truth in it but only to the extent that it's also true for the PS4. Why would you buy a PS4 if you had a PC that can already play Watch Dogs, Assassin's Creed and CoD? You'd get it for the exclusives right? Doesn't the same apply to XBOne with games like Halo and Forza. Hell, the same applies to Nintendo but with a much, much larger selection. Nintendo's weakness is with multiplatform titles, that's the only part of console gaming that people who own a PC won't care about.

@skywake
I'm talking about software. Microsoft doesn't support PC with the Xbox games(for the most part), and they don't support Xbox with the PC programs. That is the main difference between how Xbox and PS are. That was the point in the first place, that the company decides what is part of which market. Nintendo doesn't think physical media playback is necessary, so it isn't there. Nintendo and Sony being able to develop those applications is exactly what my point was to begin with. You said the company in charge has nothing to do with how a system behaves for consumers. Wii U having a bluray drive that only reads Wii U discs is because Nintendo is in charge. That doesn't weaken my argument. That was the argument. If Apple somehow how bought Nintendo right now, they'd probably get bluray on there immediately with their whole App Store, Which company in charge definitely controls what type of profuct you get, and what it supports. Nintendo is just the most reluctant to add those features, because they can't support media outside of hardware. If the people in charge of audio and video media see a reason to support Wii U, that's their business, not Nintendo's. Sony could totally put Music and Video Unlimited onto Wii U, but it's obvious why they won't, Sony is in a giant clusterf*** of failed support. That's on somewhat of a tangent, but the point stands that company decides what to support or not, regardless of hardware.

You missed the point with my second paragraph. I was saying Microsoft doesn't support Xbox the same as PC, even though they technically could, even if it's some program you don't care about. Besides, you can plug in a USB keyboard and you'd be set for Microsoft Word on Xbox. It was just an example. They'd be able to make something way better than MS Paint for Xbox. That Sound Shape for PS and Fantasia Kinect(or whatever it's called) are good examples of features that COULD be "core" applications.

All I'm saying is the devices get treated differently. Even 3DS has more media than Wii U right now. You are right that PC gamers would buy consoles for exclusives, mainly, but if you are crazy about the graphics, PS4, PC, and maybe Steambox are the only options. That's why some of us don't think it's that big of a deal, because graphics, power, specs; whatever you want to call it, is irrelevant to getting certain support like bluray on Wii U, Linux support on PS4, Microsoft Word on Xbox(whether you care about it or not), etc.

Yeah, you're still not making any sense at all. How does the fact that Microsoft treats the XBox as a console in the same way that Sony treats the Playstation make them "different"? You're saying that Microsoft doesn't give the PC a lot of XBox games and they don't put a lot of PC software on the XBox because it doesn't make sense. Well exactly. So how does that make the Playstation and XBox different? There's just as little cross-platform support between Playstation and PC.

As for Nintendo, well clearly they've decided that it's not worth their while trying to make a "media box" in the same way the other guys do. What does that have to do with Microsoft's ownership of XBox? It's not something Nintendo can't do, they definitely could. They just choose not to. The only real impact in terms of console maker ownership was Sony's use of the PS3 as trojan horses for Blu-Ray. That was a one-off. Other than that sort of one-off these products might aswell have been developed by Sega and Atari.

If you are a PC gamer PS4 and XBOne are basically the same proposition. If you're a PS4 or XBOne gamer? PC gaming looks the same to you as it does for people who own the other box. The fact that Microsoft owns XBox AND Windows has no impact on that.

@skywake
Microsoft supporting Windows and Xbox makes them different, because you can immediately see how they are supporting each platform. All Sony did with their PC line, is create hardware and maybe a few exclusive programs or something. I didn't really pay all that much attention.

I disagree that Xbox One and PS4 are the same proposition. They offer their own exclusives, but there are still differences in the hardware. In turn, that would also determine what kind of console you want want next to your other box. This is strictly only talking about hardware. I think PS4 is more different than PC than an Xbox One is; just like Wii U.

Convert this to 3D, immediately.

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I didn't say the PS4 and XBOne are identical products with identical software and identical exclusives. I said that as a PC gamer they're basically the same sort of proposition. A couch gaming device for ~$500 that sells itself on being "powerful", plays a lot of cross-platform games and a handful of games that aren't on PC. The exclusives are different but the proposition is broadly the same. The fact that Microsoft owns XBox doesn't figure into it at all. Infact Microsoft has been alienating PC gamers for years to the point where SteamOS was a proposition worth entertaining.

And "strictly only talking about hardware"? What? You've changed your tune again? Why not stick with the bit you were going on about earlier with the whole "it's all about software" bit? Wow. Well now you have proven yourself to be a bit of a fool. Strictly talking about hardware there is quite literally zero difference between the XBOne, PS4 and PC. They're identical architectures with slightly different specs.

Do you have anything to add other than this "gut feeling" that XBOne is "close to PC"?

No apple wouldn't put the app store on the Wii U if they bought Nintendo today. Apple has had their own TV platform for years now and it still doesn't have an app store or recived any real updates software or hardware wise expect a UI tweak a few years ago. This is all despite the fact that it is running a version of ios, and could probably take over the set top box market.

I'm expecting a refresh soon, but like how apple waited to announce the iwatch till they the health stuff ready, and NFC till they had mobile payments set, my guess is we won't see a new renewed focus on Apple TV as a major part of their product line until ios in the home is ready to launch. Also apple bought beats a few months ago and neither beats music nor the design f the hardware has gotten any different or more apple influence.

Actually Microsoft couldn't support the xbox in that way yet . The only version of Microsoft available right now is for X86 based Platforms, for word to run on xbox one it would have to be the Metro version of the app that won't be out till next year. Most of the apps like Xbox Music, Netflix, and NFL are the same app between windows and xbox, but we won't see more of that till next year when Threshold update goes out unfinying everything. Its possible to do it now, but the code base still has to differ between platforms a bit. Internet explorer already does this for example

We already saw a mock up of it at Buld where the Khan Acadmey folks showed thier windows app running on Xbox.

We already know that the current voice system on Xbox One will be replaced by cortana next year.

Rime and the tommorow childern are first party games with the indie slate. All the others will come to other platforms soon. Why do you think whenever sony shows indie games after the game is shown it follows with console exclusive. The new SKA studios game was announced for PS4/Vita and the developers already said its going to come to PC and Xbox One after the exclusive period dies out. (though i expect it to flop on both platforms).

Same with Hellbalde which was introuduced as the next big indie thing in that it has actual AAA production Value's yet its only a timed exclusive coming to Xbox One and PS4 soon.

I have to wonder how indie sales are doing on PS4, because I've heard many a person comment on waiting till its PS+ when a new indie game is announced.

I get the first part. That's what I was saying and understanding. We already went over how Microsoft owning both Windows and Xbox affects things. People wanted PC gaming in a console. That idea has held true since OG Xbox, and STILL DOES. Microsoft alienating PC gamers? Gee. I wonder why. Maybe it's because the damn Xbox exists, and that's where the market is. I can be sarcastic, too, see?

I didn't even change my tune. We can't discuss multiple subjects in one post, anymore, or was it always that way? They do have differentspecs, but the consoles are still setup differently. If you wanted to access the bare metal and push it to the max, these consoles are all different machines. Xbox One has 8 cores thrown together, and PS4 has 2 sets of 4 cores in a separated manner. Big difference. The "core" architecture is still the same, but it is still arranged different enough to effect how the hardware inside runs.

@shingi_70
You're probably right about Apple, but I wouldn't consider that a good thing. Apple probably doesn't want to have devices that can run on their own. That was the most annoying part about iPod Touch, iPhone, and iPad, is that you still basically needed a Mac or PC to get the most from said devices. Wii U is a different kind of platform than those touch devices, though. It has the GamePad, but it would still probably be as relevant as something like the Mac Mini line.

That's good to know about the Windows 8 on Xbox One thing. It is basically already Windows 8 looking, That's what I'm saying to skywake here. Microsoft is kind of melding their Xbox and Windows platforms, and Windows PC has been around for much longer than Xbox, so that should show what kind of of direction they're going, which wouldn't be possible without both platforms existing within their own timeframes and market share.

idea to attract PS4/XBox One customers to Wii U?

Burn Sony and Microsoft to the ground! hahahahahahaha

Yeah, you don't get it. Your original argument was an attempt to say that because Microsoft owned both Windows and XBox it changed the way PC owners looked at the XBOne vs the PS4. Also that it changed the way that XBox owners looked at PC when compared to the way that Playstation owners do. Now you're trying to tell me that the fact that Microsoft has been alienating PC gamers makes your argument stronger? As a consumer? They've pushed it to the point where as a consumer PS4 and XBOne are largely identical propositions to a PC gamer. And no, Microsoft alienating the PC gamer isn't a new thing, they don't get a cut out of PC game sales and now the only guys getting a serious cut are Valve. Microsoft never really cared and they still don't.

At most Microsoft is doing cosmetic similarities and reusing some windows assets to make it a little bit easier for them. For the end user they don't care. For the end user the PS4 ends up at the same place anyways.

No, not when it contradicts the main thrust of your argument. Even less so when it's wrong. The XBOne and PS4 in terms of hardware are no more different than two PCs. Just because one guy builds a PC with an AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU and another guy does it with Intel and AMD? Doesn't make them "entirely different platforms". Wow one has 8 cores and the other has two sets of four? Revolutionary! Entirely different platforms! It's not like we still call a "PC" a "PC" whether it has 1 core or 12... oh wait, yeah, we do. Hell, AMD even manufactured both of them, they launched on the same day and have more-or-less the same level of power. If it wasn't for the slight gaps in performance you'd be mistaken for thinking they were the same machine with a different sticker on the box.