Topic: idea to attract ps4/xboxone customers to wii u

So youre somebody who looks at wii u as another kiddie nintendo console. Youvr seen ads for nintendoland, mario 3d worls, mario kart, etc to back up this belief. You see the upcominh ada for splatoon, mario maker and kirbys rainbow curse to pretty much solidify it... but then...

"2015- The Year of Adventure" pops on your tv and...

Zelda U's expansive world...
Xenoblade Xs incresible mechs fly and float
Smt x fe, as hardcore and strategic as they come
Dragon quest x is getting ported- wait, wii u has an rpg mmo to compete with final fantasy 14?
Boom- monster hunter 4u announced, whete you can slay huge, giant beasts

All in one year? Obviously only 3 of these are confirmed but if something like this can happen and capitalize off a strong matketing campaign, how could you NOT want a wii u as a hardcore gamer, whether as your primary or secondary console. Lump these all together as a wii u adventure package (ad wise only, obviously) and thisll light a fire under people.

If starfox has starfox adventure exploration elements then bringit right on in! The wii u can be a powerhouse in 2015!

We'll seeing these games @E3 certainly made we get one (though I'm still waiting for some SMTxFE footage). Still, it can't replace neither my X1, nor my PS4, despite all that. As for MH4U, I guess that is almost a given, though not in 2015 for sure

On the most basic level, I'd argue, that all these 'genres' are really embattled.
Someone, who enjoys Zelda, but has that hold "kiddie" thing going on (to which ever degree), will certainly be drawn to the vastness, mood and stunning look of the likes of Bloodborne, or the Witcher 3. Even someone, who has no preconceived notions about Nintendo, might be more impressed by the bells and whitles of the later two.
As for Xenoblade, people might be more attracted to the likes of FFXV or Type-0 for example. Persona 5 also comes to mind.
Starfox ... I'm still not clear where they are going with this, but as far as arcade shooting goes, there is plenty of stuff out and about, "space" shooting in general on the other hand, is a genre that is undergoing an impressive revival, and the competition is fierce. Eve Valkyrie comes to mind for example, also of course Elite and Star Citizen (though I don't think there is a definitive word yet on console ports for those, but at least Elite, I can definitely see happening).
MMOs are also broadly available, starting with the aforementioned FF. I'm neither sure how "big a deal" they are in general on consoles so far, neither do I have any idea what DQX is all about, what could set it apart. So I can't really speak to the impact of that. I have a hard time imaging a DQ mmo moving WiiUs in the West though.
SMTxFE is certainly something rather unique on consoles. I would bear in mind though, that 1) we know that is supposed to be a SPRG, but that is about it, 2) the SRPG genre itself is rather niche, 3) SMT as well as FE IPs are also still rather niche, 4) SRPGs are reasonably well provided for on handhelds, be it 3DS/PSV, so many fans probably migrated to that systems already and 5) SRPGs might have a place on the PS(3)/4 in the future, Natural Doctrine might be the first but not necessary the last one coming out, sooner rather than later.

All these games will help Ninty move systems next year, I doubt though, that they will "convert" many consumers, nor do I think it will change the general momentum in the marketplace. The schedule for 2015 for the PS4 and X1 is packed to the brim, esp. true for Sony after Gamescom. Even in that regard Nintendo, which is almost on it's own by now, will have a extremely hard time standing out.
Personally, I was more moved by Splatoon, than by any of those other games you mentioned. I seemed to capture the Nintendo spirit of the old days rather well, while still be completely unique and fresh. Since Nintendo finally decided to put it online, I was really sold on the basis of basically just that one game. The others are the proverbial icing on the cake to me. Again, this purely as 2nd or in my case 3rd homeconsole ^^ If I had to pick one, I'd still pick the PS4, no two ways about it.

I agree with that general idea, but I think attracting PS4 and Xbox One owners has been Wii U's problem. They're not gonna outshooter the shooter consoles, so the only way to compete is to offer things they aren't can still attract gamers. And let's be honest, COD is becoming closer to the world's largest niche audience (ala Madden) rather than a definitive hardcore gaming experience.

Now, the problem has been that they tried going for the "platform and casual" audience, which was also a bad idea. They released a racing game people really liked, that impressed people graphically in some way (without being a tryhard "LOOK AT HOW NEXT GEN WE ARE, also gameplay or something i guess" trailer bs), and was a perfect storm of marketing, hype, franchise, critical and fan acclaim. They should do more stuff like that.

I think the only two of those we'll see next year are Zelda and Xenoblade.

I think they need to focus on all those people that had a NES or SNES as a kid. Give Zelda a huge marketing push for a start. Put together sizzle reel commercials featuring 3D World, Tropical Freeze, Zelda U and footage from the upcoming Star Fox. A lot of today's gamers grew up on Nintendo, so take advantage of that nostalgia. You can have an entirely separate trailer for the Japanese developed titles that are becoming less common, like Bayonetta, Monster Hunter, Splatoon and Xenoblade.

Smash Bros, Bayonetta 2, Devil's Third, and Pokken Tournament are games I would consider as "core" games, as well. I know Pokken isn't confirned for Wii U, but I think it will be. There's basically no way they can leave a game like that at the arcade.

We shouldn't even have to explain why people should want Xenoblade, Bayonetta 2, etc. That's the worst part. If these games were on Xbox One or PS4, people would be totally excited. Even W101 probably would have sold well if it was the other consoles. That just means they still aren't convinced of the hardware, are biased, can only afford one console(partially biased), or whatever else. All I'm seeing is that even if Nintendo has good games, people are still reluctant to buy. I'm not saying, "Go buy a Wii U, or else", but there are good games coming out and people still don't think it's worth it, even though they probably would have bought it with Xbox or PS logo on it.

Well, it would make me buy a Wii U (if I didn't already have one), but I hardly consider myself a typical consumer with typical tastes. Catering to gamers like me is a pretty good way to remain a niche product. Besides, a diverse line-up is needed to sell any console. The last sizzle reel that NoA put out was like 70% platformers, which was just as bad.

I am both a Nintendo customer and a Sony customer. I think a lot of gamers out there already support two consoles, if not all three. I'm not saying that all Xbox users only play FPSs, but to Xbox gamers who generally just play Call of Duty or Halo and who love their Xbox Live - I doubt they'd ever care about the Wii U because the system simply doesn't cater to their tastes, which is fine. The Wii U is just aimed at a different market and to a different type of gamer.

I've always found that having both Nintendo and Sony systems covers all of my gaming needs. No matter how old I get (now 27) I'm always going to love Mario Kart, Smash Bros., and your typical Mario platformer. But I also love other stuff, too. Something as simple as Tales of Xillia 1 and 2 - by no means a "mature game," but still something that I'd miss out on if I only owned a Wii U. The list could go on and on by listing off the Tomb Raider reboot, console Diablo III, Borderlands 2, etc.

Ultimately Nintendo is going to keep doing their thing: they'll have their great first-party exclusive titles and the odd third-party exclusive like Bayonetta 2 and Devil's Third thrown in as well. If Sony or Microsoft users want that stuff to supplement everything else they've got, then they'll consider buying a Wii U.

the problem is price, Wii U would be o.k as a secondary console the problem is it cost almost as much as the main consoles,

Don't get me wrong I liked the Wii U. Sadly I sold it last year to help fund my PS4. The main reason I sold it was due to no interesting exclusives that cater towards me. I have said it many times I do not like Mario (but I do like Mario Kart). I do not like Zelda I don't know why I just don't get on with that series.

I am not a fan of Japanese style hack and slash titles. I don't like family friendly games. Am not a fan of MMO type games (though I am enjoying FF Realm Reborn on PS4 my first FF game by the way).

What I am a fan of are FPS games like Killzone and Battlefield. Am a RPG fan so games like Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls, Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Bloodborne. I am also a racing fan like Gran Turismo and Project Cars and Drive Club. 3rd person games like Uncharted and Last Of US and Gears of War. Sadly there is noting like any of them games coming to the Wii U. Other than Project Cars which I will be getting on PS4.

Out of that small list of titles the OP listed only Xenoblade X and Monster Hunter may peek my interest. If I where to go out and buy a Wii U say this time next year. The only games I would be getting are Mario Kart, Xenoblade X, Monster Hunter, Fatal Frame. £200 to play 4 games is to much of a hefty price in my opinion.

I know this is never going to happen. But if Nintendo where to drop the Wii U down to £150 and drop the gamepad to a optional accessory (I have no issues with the gamepad by the way actually like it). Then I may buy one again. But not until more games to my taste come out or the console drops down to £150 new or second hand.

$100 less and bundled with 2 games isn't almost as much as the main consoles.

Well I know how to attract PC gamers.Make Splatoon have tradeable hats in it.

Nintendo will never get back the 'hardcore' gamers unless their system starts to get all the big third party releases and sports games.

At this point, PS4/Xbox owners would rather play GTA, COD, etc than Mario or Zelda games. No matter how hard Nintendo pushes those franchises/games, you won't be able to draw the audience away from those third party releases they would be missing out on if they owned a Wii-U instead.

As sad as it is too say it won't work. The Wii U will always be a secondary console made to supplement either the PS4 or in my case the Xbox One.

But to some up your list.

-Zelda's does indeed look good but from the perspective of a gamer using one of the twins Quanity is on the favor of the twins. For Zelda being a massive open world style action RPG adventure game well on the new systems you have Shadows of Mordor, Dragon Age Inquisition, The Witcher 3, Bloodborne, etc. Plus first party games like Lionhead's new RPG and the one that Gureilla Games is working on.

-Xenoblade Chronicles X looks crazy good and they seem to be keeping its roots while changing as much as they can to appeal to western audiences (creating the main character, some sort of online mode, vast world). The problem is the JRPG is a niche genre at this point and the whole cyber mech FF13 anime style art style has fallen out of vogue in favor of Fantasy, Cyberpunk, and tradtinal sci-fi. I think this has the biggest chance of jump starting the wii and keeping momentum after Kart and Smash.

-If it were a mainline big budget Fire emblem off the success of Awakening and games like Xcom i'd agree but I think the crossover makes it too niche.

-I really want DQX to come over but the game doesn't rival FF14 at all and the battle system is far more frustrating due the limitations it had to design itself around. Plus it seems the hot console MMO right now is going to be Destiny and the Division. My guess is that while Square has been janking the DQ franchise around on Nintendo systems DQ11 is on every platform and gets localized.

-Monster Hunter will only get popular in the west with either a console game or a free to play version similar to something like warframe.

-As for star fox am I the only one who wants a star fox game that is a ARPG like Mass Effect with the Star Fox universe and using the on-rails segments in the same way the Mako was used in Mass Effect 1.

To be fair, SMT is a niche market with a very loyal audience. SMT fans buy a lot of SMT games.

For example, you can expect pretty much any remake/rerelease to have a significant drop off in sales from the original. Final Fantasy X remake dropped by about 85% in sales. Wind Waker dropped 75%. Resident Evil about the same.

Persona 3 retained about 96% sales with its remake on an installed base half the size. Persona 4 remake sold 120,000 fewer copies to 140,000,000 fewer users.

If FExSMT is marketed well, it could be a system seller for that niche market.

What will attract XB1 and PS4 users is more games for the system.

To get more games for the system we need to drastically improve 3rd party support.

In order to improve 3rd party support, Nintendo needs to make it easier to port their titles to it.

In order to make porting easier, Nintendo needs to migrate their platform so that it's architecturally close to a PC.

At which point you're basically stuck with a PS4 or XB1 equivalent. You'll have a platform with 3rd party support...but given Nintendo's allergic reaction to all things internet, the platform will still be gimped due to overly restrictive social tools compared to the other two platforms.

Game over.

I don't think Nintendo is actively targeting the same audience that the PS4/Xbone are.

Games are what will attract the non Nintendo gamers to the system. When games like kingdom hearts or dark souls II or call of duty or madden don't go to the system AND there is no alternative to those games...that is really bad. That is where I feel Nintendo has the ability to take control. They aren't going to get the big "AAA gotta sell 20 million copies to break even" games. However, Nintendo can very much talk to studios to bring alternative experiences to the console. No dark souls? Get Capcom on board for an exclusive Dragon's Dogma sequel. No CoD? Make a new conduit or even ask for a franchise that isn't being used much like bad company.

The problem is Nintendo is going to have to kick more money to developers. I think they shy away from that because they don't have additional sources of revenue (major sources I mean) to pull from if the game tanks or takes a few sequels to get a following. The SNES was the powerhouse that it was because it had a deluge of games...there was something for you to play somewhere....same with ps2.

Or Nintendo can make the alternatives themselves. Make a more realistic but non licensed football game, is it going to sale madden levels? No, but it may be a viable alternative to those that want to play football and don't have to have the real life sim part to go with it. Get wiiu dev kits in the hands of the 3ds developers give them an incentive to put their games on both systems. I would have paid triple to have bravely default on the wiiu as opposed to 3ds.

Heck worse case they could get HD ports of games that were on the ps360 last gen to pad the library. Of course the price will need to be right which is the other problem. ME3 with some but not all dlc isn't going to sell when you can get all three games on every other system.

Ps3 gamers shelled out 600 last gen and xbox one early adopters kicked out 500. Price is not the problem. Games are. The game pad is fine if they would just stick a better battery in it. It has the same buttons as the pro controller.

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@Ryu_Niiyama

-I agree with funding exclusive games, so far Nintendo has only done it for Collaboration games and niche stuff like Bayonetta 2. Wonderful 101, Devil's Third, and Fatal Frame is a good start but they really need to diversify with new IP. A Dragon's Dogma sequel would be a great start, and bringing back series from both western and Japanese developers would be awesome.

-I don't think they have to kick money if its funding development like Scalebound and not outright buying a game like Tomb Raider.

-Non -licensed sports games won't work. PES sells way less than fifa due to this, and 2K tried a football games that while being better than the madden of that year, which than tanked.

Agreed on the non licensed sports games but they do at least sale. Which is better than the current landscape. Nobody can break the stranglehold EA has on licensed games BUT having something to play gives someone that is looking for a gameplay and not simplay experience something to keep the Wii U on. It is not going to be about number of sales but numbers of worthwhile experiences. So it has to be exclusive AND not shovelware or at least be spadeware (as in b or c list...not terrible but not remarkable either). As I've said exclusive deals on more genres is the way to go. However many companies are treading water as is so they don't want to risk making games with no support. I think Nintendo is going to have to cut a few checks.

Nothing wrong with cutting checks there and there, its how were getting Fatal Frame, devil's Third, and the Platinum games. They need to aggressively go and try to fund third party exclusives. Not only that but they would benefit from new non colorful IP, and starting more western focused studios. I hate to say this but I feel all the recent IP actions with THQ and a few others Nintendo should have jumped in.