So true. Well, at least until the Wii fell off the radar towards the holidays in 2011.
Personally, I just don't see Nintendo receiving that kind of support from third parties in the coming year.
I don't see what evidence you have to support that idea. As it is the Wii U has had better third party support than the Wii had if you ignore the shovelware. I don't see any compelling reason why support will go away anymore than it has already. And again, the depth Nintendo has in their first party content and the increased friendliness to indies and the lack of technical barriers in general? If anything the Wii U should be, and has been, a better platform for us as "core" gamers than the Wii was.
The evidence to support his belief is that in the the past two years, third party support for the Wii U has dropped off dramatically year by year, so it's reasonable for one to believe this pattern will continue. Another thing that makes this more likely is that more and more upcoming third party titles are now PS4/Xbox only. A lot of the early third party support for Wii U came in the form of last-gen ports. So far I believe the Wii U hasn't received a single game or has had one announced (still waiting on CARS...) that is a port of a title only on PS4/Xbox yet. Is that likely to change? I doubt it. So now you are only counting on third party developers to create Wii U exclusives, which so far haven't been big sellers, which has deterred them from releasing many so far.
I would have to agree with @Chrono at this point. Assuming he is basing his opinion on the same things I mentioned above, those are all reasonable reasons why one would believe what he is saying is the likely outcome. So far, all the people disagreeing with him support their belief not with valid points such as the ones I mentioned above, but with 'feels' where they simply take the opposite stance and support it by saying 'you can't see the future'.
So true. Well, at least until the Wii fell off the radar towards the holidays in 2011.
Personally, I just don't see Nintendo receiving that kind of support from third parties in the coming year.
I don't see what evidence you have to support that idea. As it is the Wii U has had better third party support than the Wii had if you ignore the shovelware. I don't see any compelling reason why support will go away anymore than it has already. And again, the depth Nintendo has in their first party content and the increased friendliness to indies and the lack of technical barriers in general? If anything the Wii U should be, and has been, a better platform for us as "core" gamers than the Wii was.
I disagree Wii didn't have a lot of 3rd party multiplat releases but it did get a lot of exclusive 3rd party games something Wii U is lacking in when taking out Nintendo paying for it.
That is either a blatant lie, or you need to go back to school and relearn grammar, because the way you're wording your posts definitely gives off a definitive vibe. In this thread at least, you've repeatedly been making assumtions and then treating those assumptions like they're facts.
Such bold accusations. You're rude and you should feel bad.
Instead of being absolutely rude about this entire situation, you could do us a favor and politely ask if I thought my opinions were facts. I do not think they're facts because they're not true (due to a lack of evidence), but I do believe I'm accurately predicting an outcome given past events and decisions. That outcome could be one hundred percent different since none of us know. Either way it should not prevent us from having a discussion.
I'm being rude because you're derailing this freaking topic by shoving your opinions in people's noses with full force as if they're irreputable facts and then acting as if you're an innocent bystandard. If you don't want to cause trouble, learn to soften your words so they're a lot less likely to rile people up. If you want your opinions to come off as opinions, don't say things so definitively like: "It's only going to get worse. After E3 2015, Nintendo will hit a brick wall along with SEGA as there's literally nothing outstanding on the Wii U that isn't associated directly with Nintendo."
Believe me, being hard-edged like that does not make for healthy discussion...
So true. Well, at least until the Wii fell off the radar towards the holidays in 2011.
Personally, I just don't see Nintendo receiving that kind of support from third parties in the coming year.
I don't see what evidence you have to support that idea. As it is the Wii U has had better third party support than the Wii had if you ignore the shovelware. I don't see any compelling reason why support will go away anymore than it has already. And again, the depth Nintendo has in their first party content and the increased friendliness to indies and the lack of technical barriers in general? If anything the Wii U should be, and has been, a better platform for us as "core" gamers than the Wii was.
That is just not true. The Wii had good spin off exclusives or genuine exclusives not rubbish unacceptable ports.
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I disagree Wii didn't have a lot of 3rd party multiplat releases but it did get a lot of exclusive 3rd party games something Wii U is lacking in when taking out Nintendo paying for it.
That is just not true. The Wii had good spin off exclusives or genuine exclusives not rubbish unacceptable ports.
Well if you exclude indies, exclude Bayonetta one of the highest rated third party games over both platforms. Also if we assume that third party support is completely dead and compare the Wii U's two years to the Wii's 6? Then yeah. Maybe. It's an unfair comparison but sure. I just don't think it's reasonable to ignore the fact that the Wii pretty much had to get it's own unique games because of the way it was built. Which turned a lot of devs away. The Wii U is getting games that could have potentially worked on other platforms.
The evidence to support his belief is that in the the past two years, third party support for the Wii U has dropped off dramatically year by year, so it's reasonable for one to believe this pattern will continue. Another thing that makes this more likely is that more and more upcoming third party titles are now PS4/Xbox only. A lot of the early third party support for Wii U came in the form of last-gen ports. So far I believe the Wii U hasn't received a single game or has had one announced (still waiting on CARS...) that is a port of a title only on PS4/Xbox yet. Is that likely to change? I doubt it. So now you are only counting on third party developers to create Wii U exclusives, which so far haven't been big sellers, which has deterred them from releasing many so far.
I would have to agree with @Chrono at this point. Assuming he is basing his opinion on the same things I mentioned above, those are all reasonable reasons why one would believe what he is saying is the likely outcome. So far, all the people disagreeing with him support their belief not with valid points such as the ones I mentioned above, but with 'feels' where they simply take the opposite stance and support it by saying 'you can't see the future'.
See the problem is that it has been taken to an extreme. That somehow losing basically all the cross-platform games isn't far enough and so now it'll lose even more third party support. That apparently Nintendo themselves will run out of content for the platform despite the fact that they've got this very, very deep back catalogue. Also the reason it has been losing support is because it wasn't selling and because of Kart that is slowly turning around. Smash will do a similar thing and I'm not basing that on a feeling I'm basing it on the fact that the 3DS version is already one of the top 10 best selling 3DS games. So rather than getting worse I would say that this year has been the low point in terms of Wii U sales expectations. Which is what publishers look at.
As for the transition to PS4 and XBOne. Well sure, that has already taken the idea of cross platform games off the table. We're not getting an Assassin's Creed this year and Watch Dogs was delayed to the point where it's almost a joke at this point. That ship has sailed. So when I talk about third party support not fading away I'm talking about it in that context. What I mean to say is that there will be games like Bayonetta next year and the year after. The early part of a console is all about ports, that's where all the third party content will come from. The PS4 and XBOne are "suffering" from this ATM. Beyond that you start to get into some of the more original content, and that's the phase the Wii U is heading into now.
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See the problem is that it has been taken to an extreme. That somehow losing basically all the cross-platform games isn't far enough and so now it'll lose even more third party support.
But it has though. Ubisoft and Activision, pretty much the two last remaining major 3rd party developers that released big games on the Wii U, have both scaled back support. This supports the belief that the Wii U will have even less third party titles going forward, since these companies were good for 2-4 games each a year, and now in 2015 they won't be releasing as many (or any). I don't understand why you feel things will get better? All the numbers are showing a steady decline in 3rd party support since the first year of the consoles release. There is nothing logical that indicates that the situation will improve next year, or in the extended future. EA has announced all their games, none for Wii U. Capcom? Nothing. Konami? Nothing. Bethesda? Nothing. Where are you anticipating all this mythical Wii U third party support will come from? And unless its not obvious, we are only talking about big releases here. I'm not counting $9.99 indie retro 2D platformers on the eShop as "third party titles".
Also the reason it has been losing support is because it wasn't selling and because of Kart that is slowly turning around. Smash will do a similar thing and I'm not basing that on a feeling I'm basing it on the fact that the 3DS version is already one of the top 10 best selling 3DS games.
What does Smash Bros selling like 2-3 million copies to 40+ million 3DS owners prove in regards to Wii U console sales? Nothing. There is no correlation at all. It's likely most people who bought Smash Bros for the 3DS already owned one for several years. I doubt anyone waited until Smash Bros 3DS to finally take the plunge and pick one up. There are like 7 million Wii U owners, and that is after big games such as MK8, SM3DW, Windwaker, etc have all come out already. All of the Wii U games so far, many of them excellent, have only moved 7 million or so Wii U's in the past 2 years. Do you honestly believe that Smash Bros will increase the Wii U userbase by a significant amount, let alone into 2015? When not even MK8, a game arguably as popular as Smash Bros, couldn't even move the needle very much? Do you actually believe there are 1-2 million people out there who have been waiting to buy a Wii U just for this game? Come on. It will probably sell an extra 500-800K consoles over the holiday months, then sales will dip back down again, as has happened EVERY time a "big" game has been released on the system so far.
The Wii U is also losing 3rd party support because apparently those titles don't sell enough units on Nintendo consoles. That's not my opinion. That is what the developers themselves say. There could be 8-9 million Wii U's out there and that's still not going to bring GTA V, Alien:Isolation, Star Wars Battlefront, etc, to the Wii U. Those developers just don't want to make games for Nintendo. End of story.
As for the transition to PS4 and XBOne. Well sure, that has already taken the idea of cross platform games off the table
Ya, because as developers focus more on those systems, which face it, are both more powerful than the Wii U, they won't have any interest in making the effort to port/downgrade those games so they can be on the Wii U where they already feel those titles won't sell. This ties into the "there will be less third party titles for the Wii U in the future" thing.
What I mean to say is that there will be games like Bayonetta next year and the year after.
Bayonetta was paid for by Nintendo. As is Devil's Third I believe. Neither of those are technically third party titles. So again, we are looking at Nintendo being forced to keep the Wii U afloat by themselves using their own funds.
Beyond that you start to get into some of the more original content, and that's the phase the Wii U is heading into now.
Looking at the 2015 release dates so far, all we see are Nintendo produced games and a couple Lego releases. All the other major third party developers have made their game announcements for 2015 too, none of which are seeing versions made for the Wii U.
So where does your belief that the Wii U will get more third party exclusives in 2015 than it did in 2012-2014 come from?? It doesn't make sense at all looking at any of the facts...
Also, everyone just needs to calm down and go play Skylanders or Just Dance, which I saw commercials for with Wii U being the main console for.
The 3rd parties still think they have an audience for some games on Wii U. Spongebob, CoD Black Ops II, Splintercell, and the most current Tekken are on Wii U. That actually means alot for Wii U from a support perspective, because those are new games that Xbox One and PS4 didn't get. The only difference is that Xbox/PS fans didn't care(surprise *sarcasm *), and they didn't have 8th gen features. So when it comes right down to it, Wii U ended up getting games Xbox One and PS4 didn't get, even though they were still on Xbox 360 and PS3. It matters if you aren't biased.
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I don't see why games like Bayonetta 2 and Devil's Third should be excluded from the mix. A lot of the exclusives you see on the PS4 and XBOne are also paid for in the same way. Should we exclude Sunset Overdrive from the XBOne's list of third party games? I think not. And no, I'm not saying it'll ever be like it was in the first year where the Wii U was getting a whole pile of quick and dirty ports of 360/PS3 titles. So don't pretend that's what I was saying. All I have said is that there will still be games for the system and we will continue to get a reasonable handful of third party gems.
The reason I brought up Smash selling millions of units was because it's also headed to Wii U and it's a game that sells well. Saying it has "only" sold about 3mill units as if that's not impressive is laughable. If you don't think this game will move units then you're seriously delusional. Also don't pretend that Smash is just another in the list of games people claim will save the Wii U. Personally I've held the position from the start that Mario Kart and Smash Bros are the two games which move Nintendo's platform. Mario Kart has done pretty decently, I'm sure Smash will do the same.
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"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"
I don't see what evidence you have to support that idea. As it is the Wii U has had better third party support than the Wii had if you ignore the shovelware. I don't see any compelling reason why support will go away anymore than it has already. And again, the depth Nintendo has in their first party content and the increased friendliness to indies and the lack of technical barriers in general? If anything the Wii U should be, and has been, a better platform for us as "core" gamers than the Wii was.
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I'm being rude because you're derailing this freaking topic by shoving your opinions in people's noses with full force as if they're irreputable facts and then acting as if you're an innocent bystandard. If you don't want to cause trouble, learn to soften your words so they're a lot less likely to rile people up. If you want your opinions to come off as opinions, don't say things so definitively like: "It's only going to get worse. After E3 2015, Nintendo will hit a brick wall along with SEGA as there's literally nothing outstanding on the Wii U that isn't associated directly with Nintendo."
Believe me, being hard-edged like that does not make for healthy discussion...
Believe me when I say this: You're rude. You're immature and cannot handle even the simplest discussions without acting like a child and throwing a tantrum. Don't lie to me, either, you're one in particular to fly off the handle when someone comes along and "offends" you (whether or not it was intentional).
I'm deeply sorry my opinion offends you. No, wait, no I'm not. Grow up.
Oh. So you do have the means of posting on topic in this thread. You just chose not to.
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The 3rd parties still think they have an audience for some games on Wii U. Spongebob, CoD Black Ops II, Splintercell, and the most current Tekken are on Wii U. That actually means alot for Wii U from a support perspective, because those are new games that Xbox One and PS4 didn't get.
Actually, I think all that means is that those games were released before the Xbox One/PS4 were released. That's why those games aren't on those systems. Also, the publishers/developers of two of those games, Ubisoft and Activision, have both announced they are cutting back on Wii U support.
Why are you bragging about the Wii U having two year old games, when from now on the Xbox and PS4 will be getting the new versions of these games???
It's been a while since I have seen you write something so completely illogical and humorous and I was afraid you had changed, but it's heartwarming to see the ol' SCAR392 I know and love is still there!
So don't pretend that's what I was saying. All I have said is that there will still be games for the system and we will continue to get a reasonable handful of third party gems.
No, what you said was that the Wii U would still get many/more third party games. I pointed out reasons why this is not true (developers dropping support, new games not coming to Wii U) while you have provided no evidence that would lead one to believe the Wii U would have just as strong or stronger third party support.
The reason I brought up Smash selling millions of units was because it's also headed to Wii U and it's a game that sells well. Saying it has "only" sold about 3mill units as if that's not impressive is laughable. If you don't think this game will move units then you're seriously delusional. Also don't pretend that Smash is just another in the list of games people claim will save the Wii U. Personally I've held the position from the start that Mario Kart and Smash Bros are the two games which move Nintendo's platform. Mario Kart has done pretty decently, I'm sure Smash will do the same.
3 million out of 40 million is good, but nothing incredible. The Wii U has like 7-8 million owners. If the game sells in a similar ratio it will sell 1-2 million copies. I actually believe it will sell even less than MK8. Will it move systems over Christmas? Obviously. But it won't be the Pandora's Box that boosts Wii U sales by 2-3 million units which opens the flood gates for the return of third party games, which is what you were insinuating.
After MK8 came out, which was one of the two games you believed would push the Wii U hard, the console actually LOST third party support!! Think about that...
No, what you said was that the Wii U would still get many/more third party games. I pointed out reasons why this is not true (developers dropping support, new games not coming to Wii U) while you have provided no evidence that would lead one to believe the Wii U would have just as strong or stronger third party support.
I know what I said and you even quoted what I said. I made a point of saying that it has lost third party support but that I saw no reason why it would lose anymore. By "losing more" I specifically meant the small handful of third party games we've been used to seeing on Nintendo platforms. Not the odd period during the early Wii U's life where it got a LOT more than that. Not even the Wii's experience of a handful of gems with buckets of junk every year. The Wii U will continue to get a handful of gems every year. That's all I've said.
3 million out of 40 million is good, but nothing incredible. The Wii U has like 7-8 million owners. If the game sells in a similar ratio it will sell 1-2 million copies. I actually believe it will sell even less than MK8. Will it move systems over Christmas? Obviously. But it won't be the Pandora's Box that boosts Wii U sales by 2-3 million units which opens the flood gates for the return of third party games, which is what you were insinuating.
After MK8 came out, which was one of the two games you believed would push the Wii U hard, the console actually LOST third party support!! Think about that...
It's not what I'm suggesting. I'm saying that Smash, like Kart, will push the Wii U from "doomed" upto at least the level of the Gamecube and likely above that level. Which is enough for the platform to not have publishers chicken out completely. That said, yes, I think Smash will move some units. If the Wii U continues to travel at the sort of rate it has been this year compared to last? It'll hit 10mill by years end. Do I think Smash can push that number up to 11mill? 12mill? Yes. I reckon it can.
And sorry, but 3million units in five weeks is damn good. Not many games can do that on a single platform. That sort of attach rate in that short a period of time is up at CoD levels. And lets not ignore the fact that the larger gaming community is losing their poopoodoodoocacapoopledoople over Smash right now. Just to put some numbers on it, the "50 facts about Smash" video from a week ago has 1.8million views. That's E3 trailer levels of hype. Or even just back out and look at this forum section, how many more pages are devoted to Smash? So when you try to talk down how much of a big deal Smash will be. I'm going to call BS. Give me evidence for why you believe this other than just a gut feeling.
That is just not true. The Wii had good spin off exclusives or genuine exclusives not rubbish unacceptable ports.
Yup, all these must just be fine and dandy ports/spin-offs, then. Nothing were taken out of these games, and they all played just fine.
...I'm not even gonna bother mentioning all those "great exclusives"...
Never seen any of them before.
Wii
Madworld
Sonic Colours
Nights : Journey of Dreams
Bully - Scholarship Edition (Best version - 360 or PC are both buggy as hell)
Deadspace
Ghost Squad
House of the Dead Overkill
Klonoa
Milestone Shooting Collection 1 & 2
Castle of Shikigami 3
Little King's Story
A Boy and His Blob
Muramasa
No More Heroes 1 & 2
Okami
Tatsunoko vs. Capcom: Ultimate All-Stars
Zack and Wiki - Quest for Barbaros' Treasure
Wii U
Sonic Lost World
Bayonetta 1 & 2
Wonderful 101
Rayman Legends (Best version - Game is spoilt by how close the checkpoints are though).
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
(+rubbish ports and ZombiU which is too mediocre to count).
Wii has quite a bit across a diverse set of genres that is good. Wii U has hardly anything. (It will be good going to end up with 10 good games that are either exclusive or the best version regardless of any other factors).
Loads more if ZombiU quality is ok. (For me it isn't).
Wii
Madworld Sonic Colours
Nights : Journey of Dreams
Bully - Scholarship Edition (Best version - 360 or PC are both buggy as hell)
Deadspace
Ghost Squad
House of the Dead Overkill Klonoa
Milestone Shooting Collection 1 & 2
Castle of Shikigami 3
Little King's Story
A Boy and His Blob
Muramasa
No More Heroes 1 & 2 Okami Tatsunoko vs. Capcom: Ultimate All-Stars
Zack and Wiki - Quest for Barbaros' Treasure
Minus the ones I crossed out, you did nothing but give me more ammunition. Seriously, if that's the best you have to list, I'm not sure I need to say anything more...
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