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Topic: How do you rate the Wii U's 2nd year in comparison to it's 1st?

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skywake

Ralizah wrote:

[...]Also, I should point out that by your standard (that the games are available elsewhere), it would make more sense to say that systems like the PS3, PS4, Xbox 360, and Xbone have no games, considering the huge number of multiplatform titles in their libraries. I can play the vast majority of the best games on those systems on my PC or on my Vita. I guess they're worthless systems.[...]

Well, maybe not to that extreme but pretty much. If you have no system to play games on then obviously you gain all the multi-platform titles by getting one of those platforms. But if you have any one of them? Then it very, very quickly starts to look like the other systems don't have many games at all.

Especially when we're talking mostly about indie games where power isn't an issue. As I said, a lot of the most interesting looking Vita games are indie games that will run on even fairly entry level PCs. IMO the Vita is only an interesting device because of its ability to play games I can already play but on an even more portable system. There's value in that. However the 3DS has that as well as games I can't get anywhere else. So comparatively the Vita "has no games".

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Chrono_Cross

*If you do the math, that's around 26 more games than I currently own. But I thought there was only one game coming out on Wii U (published by Nintendo) every couple of months! How weird! (。々°)

You're not getting my point. Instead, you're acting like a fool trying to pass your personal opinion off as some sort of point.

But on the Wii U there's Smash Bros, Kart and Bayonetta 2. IMO those are all must have games. So yeah, this year? For me it's no contest. The Wii U has more interesting games. Not forgetting all of the "padding" with indie games which the Wii U has been doing pretty well.

What happens when Nintendo runs out of franchises? You can only do so much on one console before it all becomes dry.

Aside from the, uh, forgettable indie titles and SEGA, who does Nintendo have to help develop games? Where will the Wii U be in three years in terms of original content beyond Nintendo? I know where Sony will be.

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DefHalan

Chrono_Cross wrote:

*If you do the math, that's around 26 more games than I currently own. But I thought there was only one game coming out on Wii U (published by Nintendo) every couple of months! How weird! (。々°)

You're not getting my point. Instead, you're acting like a fool trying to pass your personal opinion off as some sort of point.

But on the Wii U there's Smash Bros, Kart and Bayonetta 2. IMO those are all must have games. So yeah, this year? For me it's no contest. The Wii U has more interesting games. Not forgetting all of the "padding" with indie games which the Wii U has been doing pretty well.

What happens when Nintendo runs out of franchises? You can only do so much on one console before it all becomes dry.

Aside from the, uh, forgettable indie titles and SEGA, who does Nintendo have to help develop games? Where will the Wii U be in three years in terms of original content beyond Nintendo? I know where Sony will be.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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SCRAPPER392

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What about Xbox One? The only thing really separating PS4 and Xbox One are exclusives, and that's besides that a lot those games are from the past years, as well. In terms of new IPs, there is Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, Scalebound, Bloodborne, No Man's Sky and Ryme(which are both Sony funded indie games), Deep Down, etc.

Most of the deal right now is exclusives. 3rd party games are still a big deciding factor, but otherwise there isn't really anything different between Xbox One and PS4. That's why Nintendo probably has the most 1st party games out right now, because that is the main separation of all the consoles, overall, and indie games are relevant on all consoles.

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Dunno, I was fine after a few months after launch anyways due to Monster Hunter.

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DefHalan

Chrono_Cross wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

No, I can use my brain.

You are claiming to know facts about the future

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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Chrono_Cross

DefHalan wrote:

You are claiming to know facts about the future

Please quote. I will clarify.

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skywake

Chrono_Cross wrote:

What happens when Nintendo runs out of franchises? You can only do so much on one console before it all becomes dry.

Aside from the, uh, forgettable indie titles and SEGA, who does Nintendo have to help develop games? Where will the Wii U be in three years in terms of original content beyond Nintendo? I know where Sony will be.

When Nintendo has made Smash Bros, Kart, Mario, Donkey Kong, Pikmin, Zelda, Yoshi, Kirby, Starfox, Metroid, Animal Crossing, Paper Mario, Mario Strikers, Punchout, Kid Icarus and maybe a new IP or two? When we've also seen other games like Xenoblade, Sin and Punishment, Monster Hunter, Muramasa, Bayonetta and The Last Story? When it's gotten to the point where there's nothing left other than Mario Golf, Tennis and so on? When Japanese publishers who like the system all run out of ideas? Well I'm really worried, I won't know how I'll manage with that pile of 30-something Wii U games.......

I mean I enjoyed my DS and outside of Pokemon I only had nine games for it. I already have 13 Wii U games. I'm sure I'll manage. As for these games "getting old", well every other dev seems to want to turn every game into a yearly event. How old are Batman, Assassin's Creed and Cod getting?

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CaviarMeths

Chrono_Cross wrote:

You're not getting my point. Instead, you're acting like a fool trying to pass your personal opinion off as some sort of point.

You mean this?

It's only going to get worse. After E3 2015, Nintendo will hit a brick wall along with SEGA as there's literally nothing outstanding on the Wii U that isn't associated directly with Nintendo. Almost every blockbuster title from November 2014 - June 2015 is on the competition's hardware. Nintendo fans are receiving Super Smash Bros., sure, but that's one game on a list of many, many others (that will be absent).

This doesn't even need disputing, hence why I never refuted it and only addressed it after you claimed I avoided it. I's no secret that Nintendo lacks 3rd party support. I don't know why you have tasked yourself with occasionally popping into these forums to "educate" Nintendo fans about stuff they've already known for 20 years.

Everything else I posted as a direct response to direct questions that you asked me. But since I apparently spoke with a thick accent (or something), here it is simplified.

Chrono_Cross wrote:

Are you content with playing a new game (that is published by Nintendo), every couple of months?

Yes, but I'll be buying new Wii U games much more frequently than that.

Chrono_Cross wrote:

Do the franchises you've been experiencing for years wear you out?

No, and I'll also enjoy the new IP.

Chrono_Cross wrote:

Yeah, and if all those absent games were coming, you would be one happy Nintendo fan.

Not a question, but a false assumption of my gaming habits. I'm not actually interested in most of those absent games though.

Sorry for expressing my opinion when you explicitly asked for it. I'll try to be as clever as you in the future.

By the way, this should be a little indicator of what Nintendo might be doing over the next 3 years: http://nintendoeverything.com/miyamoto-on-dev-time-spin-off-g...

TL;DR - outsourcing development to increase game output, doing spin-offs, etc.

Feel free to discredit it and leave a snide comment.

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Chrono_Cross

How old are Batman, Assassin's Creed and Cod getting?

I'm not going to quote your paragraph of explaining how Nintendo has established franchises to work with. However, as a Nintendo fan, I can't see myself thoroughly enjoying the Wii U when every game worth owning is published by Nintendo. Nintendo, believe it or not, cannot solely survive based on its own franchises. No company in this sad, sad industry can.

As for what I did quote, however, try harder. The Arkham franchise does not receive yearly installments and I'm pretty sure you can do better than Call of Duty. There must be a different franchise you can use to prove your point.

I don't know why you have tasked yourself with occasionally popping into these forums to "educate" Nintendo fans about stuff they've already known for 20 years.

Nintendo fans have known that the Wii U is starving for third party support for twenty years?

Yes, but I'll be buying new Wii U games much more frequently than that.

I'm sure you will. Games that are published by Nintendo, that is.

I'll try to be as clever as you in the future.

Don't try too hard.

By the way, this should be a little indicator of what Nintendo might be doing over the next 3 years: http://nintendoeverything.com/miyamoto-on-dev-time-spin-off-g...

I'm not saying the Wii U won't receive some fun games in the next few years. Nor am I trying to persuade you.

But, if you or anyone else found the first two years of its lifetime underwhelming, prepare for an even more disappointing holiday season next year.

That was my point.

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CanisWolfred

You know, I want to thank this thread for making me go through my old posts and see that...my posting hasn't changed one bit, it's just that I only ever remember the times I was a jerk to people...which wasn't really that frequent?

I also remember arguing with Chrono_Cross a lot...but I couldn't find even one post before 2012 where I was arguing with him. If anything we used to get along just fine...what the hell happened, man???

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CaviarMeths

Chrono_Cross wrote:

But, if you or anyone else found the first two years of its lifetime underwhelming, prepare for an even more disappointing holiday season next year.

That was my point.

You made your entrance in this thread by telling kkslider that his opinion was wrong and only going to get more wrong. If you wanted to make some general statement about disappointed Wii U owners, then maybe try just doing that instead of arguing with people.

But anyway, do you own a Wii U?

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Captain_Toad

Chrono_Cross wrote:

What happens when Nintendo runs out of franchises? You can only do so much on one console before it all becomes dry.

We could make more games and new IPs?? Heh, in fact you could say that to practically any other company.

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skywake

Chrono_Cross wrote:

How old are Batman, Assassin's Creed and Cod getting?

I'm not going to quote your paragraph of explaining how Nintendo has established franchises to work with. However, as a Nintendo fan, I can't see myself thoroughly enjoying the Wii U when every game worth owning is published by Nintendo. Nintendo, believe it or not, cannot solely survive based on its own franchises. No company in this sad, sad industry can.

As for what I did quote, however, try harder. The Arkham franchise does not receive yearly installments and I'm pretty sure you can do better than Call of Duty. There must be a different franchise you can use to prove your point.

You misread me. I didn't say the Arkham games were yearly releases, I was simply mentioning some games that do get fairly regular releases but aren't "worn out" yet. Arkham for example is appearing more regularly now than Metroid did during the period when we were getting Metroid games. There have been about twice as many new, main series Arkham games as there have been main series Zelda games during the same period. You're saying Nintendo games are overused to the point where the system could "run out of games". I'm saying it's not because Arkham and Assassin's Creed haven't become stale even though they're spread even thinner.

And CoD. Well everyone seems to be obsessed with sales numbers and CoD is the best selling thing out there. If CoD can do that as a yearly release then surely Nintendo can keep things interesting with its huge basket full of IP. And no, I'm not going to list more games for you, I wasn't trying to create a list, I was making a point with a few examples. If you want a list go look up a wiki or something.

As for your instant dismissal of the idea that Nintendo can "survive" largely on their own franchises. Well why not? If anyone can do it in the gaming industry it'd be Nintendo, they're the only guys that could pull it off. Now will it be just Nintendo's franchises? No, I highly doubt it, I don't know why you seem to think that's all the Wii U will have. But could they? Well sure. Going all the way back to the NES on every Nintendo system both portable and non-portable the vast, vast majority of the best performing games have been published by Nintendo. And they're still here. So I'm sure they'll manage.

And I'm sure we'll manage to. As it is Nintendo seems to be getting more games like Bayonetta and Devil's Third and less of the "Just Dance" sort of games that it did on the Wii. Which while maybe "bad" for sales can only be good for us. So what's the problem?

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CaviarMeths

Captain_Toad wrote:

We could make more games and new IPs?? Heh, in fact you could say that to practically any other company.

When Nintendo publishes new IP (Xeno, Wii, Art Academy, Splatoon, Dillon's Rolling Western, Project Guard, Project Giant Robot, Nintendo Land, Pushmo, Captain Toad, Steel Diver, Sakura Samurai, HarmoKnight, Rusky's Real Deal, Code Name STEAM, ...), it doesn't count. For reasons.

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DefHalan

Chrono_Cross wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

You are claiming to know facts about the future

Please quote. I will clarify.

Right here is the main one

Chrono_Cross wrote:

I know where Sony will be.

Edited on by DefHalan

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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Chrono_Cross

CanisWolfred wrote:

I also remember arguing with Chrono_Cross a lot...but I couldn't find even one post before 2012 where I was arguing with him. If anything we used to get along just fine...what the hell happened, man???

We used to be surrounded by intelligent, unbiased users. Now, since NL has grown so much and everyone who could contribute to healthy discussions have left, we're exposed to patriotic fanboys (not everyone). NintendoLife is an orphanage for Nintendo fans. (Plus, I actually LIKE you, Mickey.)

So what's the problem?

There isn't one. I own a PS4 and a PC.

You made your entrance in this thread by telling kkslider that his opinion was wrong and only going to get more wrong. If you wanted to make some general statement about disappointed Wii U owners, then maybe try just doing that instead of arguing with people.

But anyway, do you own a Wii U?

I dismissed his biased opinion because I disagree with him. That, and he doesn't own a new generation console as far as I'm aware.

Yes, I do. Why do you ask?

Right here is the main one

I can't see Sony's PlayStation brand having a heart attack tonight.

Not with its fantastic first and third party offerings and that 13.5 million install base.

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