I'm not even the one who brought up the word biased or a video game drop out,

But that's what this topic is about.

Then there's people saying Nintendo's gonna go out of business when they probably have more cash for video games

I haven't seen anyone in any thread claim Nintendo is going out of business. There are people musing over whether Nintendo will go third party (that's not going out of business), and then there are people who like to think about the potential of Nintendo being acquired (again, that's not going out of business). But no one is saying Nintendo is going the way of THQ.

Furthermore you overestimate the value of cash in the bank. Cash in bank has very little benefit to an organisation. It's just sitting there. Most organisations invest cash on product development or marketing to increase revenues/ provide competitive advantage. By putting the cash to work with wise investments corporations end up in a better position than their immediate rivals.

For whatever reason Nintendo is sitting on cash. There are reasons to do that, but it has the consequence of failing to improve shareholder confidence. The scenarios that people are considering - Nintendo being acquired or going third party - are both intimately linked to shareholder confidence in Nintendo. That confidence drops off and both cases start to look more and more likely.

So in other words, when you get down to the reason behind these "doom and gloom" (lordy I hate that phrase) articles in the legitimate corporate media, Nintendo's cash reserves mean next to nothing.

I enjoy my Wii U as well. Then again, I enjoy every console regardless of company logo.

I'm not assuming anything, I just don't get why there's 'Wii U death' threads siding with PS4.

Another assumption that's more than likely false. You're too young to uderstand that this always happens when a new console releases. Forums are clustered with panic and troll topics all over the net.

I'm not even the one who brought up the word biased or a video game drop out, so you're calling the wrong person sad. That's an assumption just as much. I just don't like what Sony's doing with PS4, so you guys that buy it, I hope you have fun.

Not only do you always bash Sony but you fueled that fire. In other words, you contributed to that part of the discussion. So you're to blame just as much as the original poster.

Then there's people saying Nintendo's gonna go out of business when they probably have more cash for video games than Sony has for TVs, A/V components, PS, and all their other gadgets combined

Nope. Nintendo is the last company of the three to spend an absurd amount of money on videos games, which, is all it has. Both Microsoft and Sony have multiple departments excluding its gaming divisions.

I feel like that's what we've been arguing about for like the past 3 or so months though. I doesn't matter. I thought Nintendo buying chips and components for their systems, and 3D screens for their consoles was just as much investing as just handing the other companies money to make new stuff. I just think Nintendo's waiting to jump on an opportunity when it comes there way vs. using time and money to search those out when it's not fool proof, when they don't know exactly what what benefit them at this point in time directly in an immediate transaction. I really don't care, all I know is that I bought a Wii U, and 3DS because they were the best currently available system IMO.

I'm not biased on name. I liked PS3 for a majority of last gen, shared between all actually. I just don't like the way they're going past their current PS3, and saw what I would think are flaws during the last parts of it's lifetime. I don't like the way they've handled alot of things. I still like Sony TVs and A/V stuff, just not PS right now.

Nintendo is not going to go third party anytime soon. Pretty sure Sony is in a far worse position (and hardly anyone here is screaming doom for them) . But I think they'll be fine aswell.

Elaborate on this because I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

I'm glad somebody brought that topic in an informed manner on that website. For more arguments to support that viewpoint, I would suggest the following article:

http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/09/08/the-ten-year-decli...

Finally. A legitimate article on the financial situation at Sony.

I still don't the impression that the author exactly understands what's going on - there's too much linking to sources and not enough linking of theme in that piece, but it's thoroughly researched and presented well.

Crono_Cross and Bankai constantly call me baised against Sony, but I have a PS3 and have owned dozens of high quality products from Sony. I've just never been that much of a fan of Playstation, EVER. I had great fun with my PS3, but I feel what people thought was it's prime late in it's life seemed just as lively as it always was. I actually feel like the industry as a whole got very quiet the past couple years. The whole social online and streaming is a big part of PS4's appeal, and that's not what I want from a console. I'm just probably gonna get an Xbox to go with my Wii U, and maybe try out PS4 if someone has it. I'm kind of expecting Xbox to be better than PS4 at this point, strictly on it's later time of release which will no doubt bring improvement. I've already seen what PS4 has to offer, and it just doesn't seem new to me.

The next Xbox is moving away from being a gaming console as its main function from the looks of things. PS4 will have a lot of great exclusives that don't need the social aspects. I for one think they are pretty cool, but they are a side factor espcially since I maybe know one person who is thinking about getting about a PS4. I can't play any online either (random people). I'm getting it for the exclusive games and new third party games that are best on there and aren't possible on other consoles. Given xboxs track record of new IPs, what are you expecting them to do with games better than the PS? If history reapeats it self, which is quite possible then the PS4 will have many more exclusive games than the next Xbox. I also think it's unlikely that they will release their systems very far apart from each this time the only time aspect here is proabably their anouncement times.

I don't think I ever said you were biased against Sony. I might have once, but I really don't mind even if you are biased against Sony. That's your prerogative. I don't much like Microsoft on a personal level. Everyone has preferences.

It's when you use your personal opinion about Sony to claim things like "Sony will drop out of the console race" that I feel the need to step in and point out how factually incorrect most of your arguments against Sony are. If Sony does fail (and I don't believe it will based on the data I see before me) then it won't be for the reasons you keep arguing.

If you want to claim Sony will fail, there are compelling arguments out there supporting that point of view. The dude with the Toad avatar linked to one of the best I've seen in a while. The difference is those people and those arguments are supported by data and expert analysis and facts. Every time I've asked you to support your opinion, you just give me more opinions.

The only thing I would want from PS4 on other consoles, is the ability to share videos, but not strictly with only other users/owners of PS4. I can go buy a HDD HDMI(PVR) media recorder and use it for anything, and the social aspects don't impress me much. I was looking into the PlayTV they released in Europe, and those features are all I really want from my PS3 as of right now.
I'm not saying XBox is going to be exponentially better, especially with all the exclusive features Bankai said, but the games aren't really impressing me right now. The Killzone game looks basically like the other 2 I played gameplay wise, and those don't last very well for me. I can't stand getting the trophies thay require 10,000 headshots in an online match. Just like the Assassin's Creed games. They are all too similar for me to play more than one of those titles and have it not feel like a chore.
You could say the same about Mario games, but those aren't as hyped and stretched out to the max just to make the game longer(from my perspective). I guess it's quality vs. quantity(time), with a touch of opinion on why I don't want one. The quality I saw in games years ago was impressive to say the least, but I've gotten tired of basically the same game getting hyped out of proportion every year when not much has changed.
It's gonna take alot of cool and creative stuff to get my attention this time around, not just graphics, power, and functionality.
I just want the core experience, and PS4's online connectivity from every angle isn't doing it for me.

I don't have high hopes for Playstation 4. Sony looks like they are trying to use a similar strategy that they used with Playstation 3 and Vita.

I just really like how some of you guys talk like you already know everything about the next consoles and how they will perform in the market and the lineup of games that are coming.

I, for one, will admit that I dont know how everything will pan out nor do I know every detail of the upcoming hardware and software. Really, it comes down to purchase what you think is best for you and I so happen to agree with Scar that I think Wii U and Next Xbox are best for me. Although my reasons why I think that will be best for me are different than his but I am waiting to see what everyone will bring to the table at E3 before I decide on anything. Even waiting to still decide rather or not I will purchase a Wii U. Going to have to see the lineup of games for everyone.

In a nutshell: I wish I could use my PS3 outside of just Playstation. i.e. using it as a ext. HDD.

You'll probably see my prediction come true when that price tag comes out for the PS4 (unless Sony is feeling really gutsy)

It's also possible that Sony is delaying the price announcement because it's still working out alternatives to an upfront cost. For instance, a mobile phone-like monthly bill. It'll still be expensive, but the psychology of consumers digests $50/ month over a year better than $600 upfront.

I dunno. They still might have to charge a hefty sum upfront.

But a joke so stop getting all worked up but it's fitting for the situation

Key word: Might.

I agree that Sony could drop first. They are in the worst situation and Vita has been the flop it is. The presentation of PS4 was extremely weak practically embarrassing and the share price continued to drop.

Microsoft will probably do okay and continue their dominance over ps3 in the U.S. Nintendo certainly has challenges but the 3Ds is doing phenomenally in Japan and better and better elsewhere. Nintendo has a better understanding of the market than Sony and appeal to more diverse audience and always has tricks up its sleeves.