LordJumpMad wrote:

graphics > gameplay

turtlelink wrote:

LordJumpMad wrote:

graphics > gameplay

Scollurio wrote:

Guys, guys guys....

Yes, graphics is not everything, but they should be "on par" with the next next gen which will launch in about a year with MS and Sony's new consoles.
And even if you pull your "gameplay and innovation saves the day"-card. Where is it. The gamepad is lackluster. No analogue input triggers (racing games anyone?), lackluster battery life, a touch screen thats more unresponsive than the 3Ds one, mandatory use of "off-TV" play on gamepad, framerate issues (for me personally those distract more than generally lower graphics quality), no headset jack on pro controller, bad use of gamepad in the first wave of games, "asymmetric" gamelay for me is just a bad excuse for not being able to handle 2 gamepads at once, no true 1080p yet in most games - still just upscaled 720p like in current gen consoles of MS and Sony, Nintendo account cannot be used on another console, the low SD-card memory on basic sets, etc... I just mean even in the things the WiiU should accelerate - it doesn't. Im no Nintendo hater, quite the contrary, but "asymmetric" gameplay would be possible even on old Wii, just by using different input methods and assigning different roles to the players, make it over online (so your seperate screen is no problem) and you could do that "asymmetric" gameplay anywhere. Like on PC games where one guy plays the "commander" and the rest are the 1st person field soliders (Savage anyone?). I just don't see the power, the innovation NOR the graphics. Still, if you love Nintendogames and want to play them, it's your only option. I for my part will stay with my 3DS XL (which I deeply love, even though most games, especially on eShop are trash at the moment, can't wait for MH3U though). Just my 2 cents.

Oh yeah one more thing. POWER DOES matter. Even if graphics won't make a big leap with new systems of Sony and MS (and I think they WILL, I don't think it's needed but hey there are 4K-resolution displays already, don't think they will go without use with the next gaming generation and PC gamers have LONG surpassed 1080p resolution already) the general power will make a big leap, and that power means more cars on track, bigger environments, environmental destruction, better AI, more bots, better textures, etc... and it sucks for developer/nintendo/customer if it's the WiiU again that will either NOT get that precious port at all or get a lackluster port that will look like the PC version of the game with all details set to low and maybe even gameplay elements missing due to restriction of memory/processing power. In no way I can see the WiiU lasting another 5-8 years. It will be badly outgunned in about 3 years when the major 1st party titles helped it for another soar into the sky before it plummets to the ground. Reason is simple. The casual market is saturated and seperated between Wii-gamers (they already HAVE a Wii and won't see too much reason to upgrade to WiiU since they're casuals) tablet gamers and I also see the Ouya playing a big role in the future. So basicly speaking I think Nintendo is it's own biggest competition with it's Wii. Casuals won't go too much for WiiU, the "hardcore" (people that go for complex games that take longer to complete, want to participate in online matches and do see difference in texture/graphics quality, enjoy cinematic and/or clever experiences and enjoy games beyond angry birds) will possibly wait for MS and Sony delivering their next ugly baby or go PC anyways. What's left is the loyal Nintendo fans that have this only option to see their beloved mascots in HD and cross-platform gamers that won't a slice of every cake. Which all in all will be not enough to even remotely reach the success of the Wii. That's just my personal opinion without any hating and I definitely don't want to step on anybody's toes.

turtlelink wrote:

LordJumpMad wrote:

graphics > gameplay

BanjoThreeie wrote:

LordJumpMad wrote:

graphics > gameplay

Sorry, not seeing it. Where's the better gameplay? NSMBU = uninspired and easy, just like the other NSMB games, nor do I want to pay 50+ dollars for a 2D platformer... Both Galaxy's as 3D platformers I was more than happy to throw my money at though, fantastic games and along with Donkey Kong Country Returns (2D but at least it was hardcore! and the graphics were very impressive for Wii) and maybe Brawl are the reasons I don't regret buying a Wii.

Nintendoland....pass

3rd-party titles that will soon disappear from the system once the PS4 and next Xbox come out and can't be ported to Wii U because Sony and Microsoft's new systems are much more powerful...pass.

I am really interested in what Retro Studios might do though, as well as that new Star Fox game and hopefully another 3D Mario.

Scollurio wrote:

Guys, guys guys....

Yes, graphics is not everything, but they should be "on par" with the next next gen which will launch in about a year with MS and Sony's new consoles.
And even if you pull your "gameplay and innovation saves the day"-card. Where is it. The gamepad is lackluster. No analogue input triggers (racing games anyone?), lackluster battery life, a touch screen thats more unresponsive than the 3Ds one, mandatory use of "off-TV" play on gamepad, framerate issues (for me personally those distract more than generally lower graphics quality), no headset jack on pro controller, bad use of gamepad in the first wave of games, "asymmetric" gamelay for me is just a bad excuse for not being able to handle 2 gamepads at once, no true 1080p yet in most games - still just upscaled 720p like in current gen consoles of MS and Sony, Nintendo account cannot be used on another console, the low SD-card memory on basic sets, etc... I just mean even in the things the WiiU should accelerate - it doesn't. Im no Nintendo hater, quite the contrary, but "asymmetric" gameplay would be possible even on old Wii, just by using different input methods and assigning different roles to the players, make it over online (so your seperate screen is no problem) and you could do that "asymmetric" gameplay anywhere. Like on PC games where one guy plays the "commander" and the rest are the 1st person field soliders (Savage anyone?). I just don't see the power, the innovation NOR the graphics. Still, if you love Nintendogames and want to play them, it's your only option. I for my part will stay with my 3DS XL (which I deeply love, even though most games, especially on eShop are trash at the moment, can't wait for MH3U though). Just my 2 cents.

Oh yeah one more thing. POWER DOES matter. Even if graphics won't make a big leap with new systems of Sony and MS (and I think they WILL, I don't think it's needed but hey there are 4K-resolution displays already, don't think they will go without use with the next gaming generation and PC gamers have LONG surpassed 1080p resolution already) the general power will make a big leap, and that power means more cars on track, bigger environments, environmental destruction, better AI, more bots, better textures, etc... and it sucks for developer/nintendo/customer if it's the WiiU again that will either NOT get that precious port at all or get a lackluster port that will look like the PC version of the game with all details set to low and maybe even gameplay elements missing due to restriction of memory/processing power. In no way I can see the WiiU lasting another 5-8 years. It will be badly outgunned in about 3 years when the major 1st party titles helped it for another soar into the sky before it plummets to the ground. Reason is simple. The casual market is saturated and seperated between Wii-gamers (they already HAVE a Wii and won't see too much reason to upgrade to WiiU since they're casuals) tablet gamers and I also see the Ouya playing a big role in the future. So basicly speaking I think Nintendo is it's own biggest competition with it's Wii. Casuals won't go too much for WiiU, the "hardcore" (people that go for complex games that take longer to complete, want to participate in online matches and do see difference in texture/graphics quality, enjoy cinematic and/or clever experiences and enjoy games beyond angry birds) will possibly wait for MS and Sony delivering their next ugly baby or go PC anyways. What's left is the loyal Nintendo fans that have this only option to see their beloved mascots in HD and cross-platform gamers that won't a slice of every cake. Which all in all will be not enough to even remotely reach the success of the Wii. That's just my personal opinion without any hating and I definitely don't want to step on anybody's toes.

kkslider5552000 wrote:

the rise of indie and downloadable games, the incredible success of iOS games, the increasingly impossible to make a profit from HD games that have probably killed as many gaming companies as the bad economy, the fact that the 2 biggest new IPs of the past few years are Angry Birds and Minecraft

I'm sorry, but if you think DUDE LOK ATT DESE GRAFIX is the future of gaming, you haven't the slightest clue what you are talking about. The writing is on the wall for the complete domination of AAA gaming and it's basically considered fact already that next gen's power is largely not going into increased graphics.

moomoo wrote:

Regarding the rumors on the other next-gen systems, I haven't heard that they'll be super powerful either. We're talking about tech that's been available from 2008 to maybe 2011. That's not drastically more powerful than stuff in the Wii U.

Quite frankly, if you want power, PC is the way to go. Consoles are outdated before they even come out in terms of graphical abilities.

CorporalPegasus wrote:

Better graphics dont make better games

SkywardLink98 wrote:

CorporalPegasus wrote:

Better graphics dont make better games

skywake wrote:

It really depends on what sort of games you like. If you're into 2D platformers then we already reached what I'd call the pinnacle in Rayman Origins.
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