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AbeVigoda

21. Posted:

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I still expect Xbox 1080 to have more potential than PS4. Most don't even really understand the specs.
PS4 sacrificed a little power for more accessibility, while Xbox 1080 will have more power to be harnessed in the long run, but be less accessible at first.
Wii U will be the easy console to dev for in terms of graphics and such in comparison(except maybe the GamePad), PS4 helps devs jump right into the deeper waters, and Xbox will most likely finalize any progress made this gen.
PS4 is only seen as being more powerful because it looks that way now, but it won't be in the long run. Xbox only looks less powerful to the blind eye.

It's incredible that you know all of this, since the Xbox 720 (not 1080) hasn't even been shown off yet. Do you work for Microsoft? How do you have all this inside knowledge? It's pretty incredible that you know how the next-gen consoles will fare years down the road when you can't even tell us what the new Xbox will look like design-wise....or can you? Please enlighten us!

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@AbeVigoda

Now you are just attacking SCAR. In his post he said he "expects" not that is how it is. He clearly states that what he is saying is how he expects it, not for sure 100% that is how it is going to be.

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http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/44243746261/nickels-dimes-and-quarters
http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/why-console-specs-dont-matter
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/200271/Video_Don_Daglow_on_nextgen_transition_traps_and_treasures.php

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It's going to be just like the Wii before it. The GamePad is really harder to throw in as a port addition than the Wiimote was too! I sorta wish someone would make, if it's possible, a Wii U game based around Wiimotes instead as it could be much more powerful while sort of "continuing" the Wii. I think the reason that devs are making themselves use the GamePad, though, is because Nintendo didn't bundle a Wiimote with any of the Wii U sets so they can't really just use that "chuck-it-in" input in case people don't have Wiimotes(and people should brush up on the requirements, it's a shame that general public won't in many cases). What I don't get, however, is why they don't just make the GamePad a useless screen with a cool picture instead though. I guess they're unwilling to optimize it... Like the Wii... Seriously, we've already got a few of those shovelware 1/10 party games on it again.

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My two cents. It amazes me how much emphasis people are putting on power. Aside from Reggie making the claim once on Gametrailers has there ever been a record of developers saying "we couldn't bring our game to Wii because of power"? Resident Evil 5 was one case yet aside from that, nobody said a word.

Its simple. Companies pledge their allegiance to money. They will either put the highest bidder on top priority or they will go where the most profits are. Example: Microsoft money hat CoD so Infinity Ward and Treyarch put Xbox on the highest priority while giving cheap ports to everyone else. Nintendo money hatted Ubisoft and because Zombi U met their expectations they have thrown their multiplats at Wii U. If that will stick is up to people buying the games.

Other ways to look at it. They talk power but (assuming these rumors about the next Xbox are true) do you really think they are going to care? Hell no. They will drop the thing like a brick. Come March 2014 you'll be hearing about games getting canned right, left and center. But that is assuming it is true. Wii U ports will be determined by profits.

7 years ago (April 2006) I remember the media, analysts and forum posters making the same kind of claim at 360. People didn't believe Microsoft would keep third party support. Companies were saying the "real" next gen is PS3. What actually happened? The fact is the world isn't all black and white and life is a lot more unpredictable than that. Apart from SNES and PS2 the balance of power in the console market has constantly shifted. It is only handhelds where the balance of power has stayed the same. Nintendo even shocked the world by having a different outcome this gen. Wii went straight to first place when they were in last place. Microsoft have not only become a hugely respected competitor in the industry but a lot of you are assuming third party support will stick with them despite the fact they have truthfully had only one generation of third party support.

Third parties will either go to where they get the most profit or who the highest bidder is. As they always have.

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25. Posted:

DefHalan wrote:

@AbeVigoda

Now you are just attacking SCAR. In his post he said he "expects" not that is how it is. He clearly states that what he is saying is how he expects it, not for sure 100% that is how it is going to be.

I'm not attacking him, but shouldn't he have to back up his ridiculous statements once in a while? There are absolutely NO FACTS to support ANY of what he just stated above. It's all just made up based on nothing at all, other than his own 'feelings'. It's impossible to have an intelligent discussion with this guy. Hell, he is saying the next Xbox will be the better system, yet he doesn't even know what it's name is! I've never heard anyone refer to it as an "Xbox 1080" other than him. It's only called the "Xbox 720" or "Durango" on gaming websites. He can't even get the name right, yet he feels he can tell the rest of us here how the next-gen will play out? It's sad.

Click on a SCAR thread, and prepare to see a lot of this...

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I still expect Xbox 1080 to have more potential than PS4. Most don't even really understand the specs.

Too early to say about the Nextbox. From what I've heard so far is that the specs is slightly slower than the PS4. The big question is the controller. It doesn't look like it will have a tablet controller. Tablets & smartphones can have wireless connection to it & can be use mainly to show gamers' progress in the game as well as in-game maps. Assymetrical gameplay more or less is missing on Nextbox. The Illumiroom feature is good but it really doesn't add that much on the gameplay.

A bigger problem with the Nextbox is the always ON feature which I think might not sit so well for people who mainly plays offline &/or doesn't have direct internet connection particularly those in 3rd world countries. The biggest problem with the Nextbox (this was confirmed already) is the price. It's priced around $500. You can get it around $300 but you need to get the two-year Xbox Live Gold subscription at $10 a month. It's not free to play on Nextbox unlike the Wii U & PS4.

Nextbox gameplay will certainly be the same except for the console with better specs. Otherwised, from how it looks right now there's really nothing new it can bring on the table. Not even the Smartglass feature.

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27. Posted:

@AbeVigoda
I'm not the one who posted the picture, sooo...
Besides, I don't make BS up like I've brought up before. It all depends on how well you understand the tech that determines how you look at what were talking about, which is technology.
No ones perfect, but just because you don't understand my statements does not make them false.

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@AbeVigoda

I know he does that often and that is why I didn't defend him on all those other threads but in this thread he did not try to pass what he said as fact. He said that is how he expected things, not that is the way they are.

EDIT: And with his most recent post he is trying to pass it off as fact... bad move SCAR

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http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/44243746261/nickels-dimes-and-quarters
http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/why-console-specs-dont-matter
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/200271/Video_Don_Daglow_on_nextgen_transition_traps_and_treasures.php

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29. Posted:

DefHalan wrote:

@AbeVigoda

Now you are just attacking SCAR. In his post he said he "expects" not that is how it is. He clearly states that what he is saying is how he expects it, not for sure 100% that is how it is going to be.

Cuz SCAR lacks credibility in his posts.

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30. Posted:

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DefHalan wrote:

@AbeVigoda

Now you are just attacking SCAR. In his post he said he "expects" not that is how it is. He clearly states that what he is saying is how he expects it, not for sure 100% that is how it is going to be.

Cuz SCAR lacks credibility in his posts.

True but in his first post when he said he expects, it was basically him giving his opinion. With his most recent post he tried to pass it off as fact so now I am no longer defending him. He is trying to pass rumor off as fact.

http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/44243746261/nickels-dimes-and-quarters
http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/why-console-specs-dont-matter
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/200271/Video_Don_Daglow_on_nextgen_transition_traps_and_treasures.php

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Coming from a guy who claimed that knowing the Wii U button states will make someone be able to make games on the Wii U. I don't really see any credibility on SCAR at all.

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32. Posted:

Cheaptrick wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

@AbeVigoda

Now you are just attacking SCAR. In his post he said he "expects" not that is how it is. He clearly states that what he is saying is how he expects it, not for sure 100% that is how it is going to be.

Cuz SCAR lacks credibility in his posts.

Not always. You don't need a link to a website as proof all the time. It's called research. If no one ever did research, you wouldn't even have links to use as proof.
I look up the components of any machine in question to see how they operate and make educated comparisons based on facts.
For what I want a gaming machine for, Wii U and the next Xbox are what I'm looking for.
The name is not important to me, and I can think whatever I want, so screw off Xbox is better IMO.

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DefHalan wrote:

Cheaptrick wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

@AbeVigoda

Now you are just attacking SCAR. In his post he said he "expects" not that is how it is. He clearly states that what he is saying is how he expects it, not for sure 100% that is how it is going to be.

Cuz SCAR lacks credibility in his posts.

True but in his first post when he said he expects, it was basically him giving his opinion. With his most recent post he tried to pass it off as fact so now I am no longer defending him. He is trying to pass rumor off as fact.

He said he 'expects' that the Xbox will be better, then goes on to provide 'facts' to support his assertion that are based solely on unsubstantiated rumors. It wasn't a hypothetical argument he was making. He seems to believe what he is saying, yet as I said above, he doesn't even know what the system is called.

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Coming from a guy who claimed that knowing the Wii U button states will make someone be able to make games on the Wii U. I don't really see any credibility on SCAR at all.

You're right, we're using keyboards on our Wii U consoles. If you don't know how the button states are important for indie Wii U devs, than you lack credibility even more so.
How do you think even a keyboard works? Do you just plug it in and it works through USB?
No, it doesn't just work, there was a code in computers to make it work in the first place.

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SCAR392 wrote:

You don't need a link to a website as proof all the time. It's called research. If no one ever did research, you wouldn't even have links to use as proof.

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36. Posted:

SCAR392 wrote:

Cheaptrick wrote:

Coming from a guy who claimed that knowing the Wii U button states will make someone be able to make games on the Wii U. I don't really see any credibility on SCAR at all.

You're right, we're using keyboards on our Wii U consoles. If you don't know how the button states are important for indie Wii U devs, than you lack credibility even more so.
How do you think even a keyboard works? Do you just plug it in and it works through USB?
No, it doesn't just work, there was a code in computers to make it work in the first place.

Yes but you need to know a lot more than Button States to make or even port a game onto a different system, including Wii U.

http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/44243746261/nickels-dimes-and-quarters
http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/why-console-specs-dont-matter
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/200271/Video_Don_Daglow_on_nextgen_transition_traps_and_treasures.php

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DefHalan wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

Cheaptrick wrote:

Coming from a guy who claimed that knowing the Wii U button states will make someone be able to make games on the Wii U. I don't really see any credibility on SCAR at all.

You're right, we're using keyboards on our Wii U consoles. If you don't know how the button states are important for indie Wii U devs, than you lack credibility even more so.
How do you think even a keyboard works? Do you just plug it in and it works through USB?
No, it doesn't just work, there was a code in computers to make it work in the first place.

Yes but you need to know a lot more than Button States to make or even port a game onto a different system, including Wii U.

Not really. All you need is ANY software development program. I could go buy Photoshop CS6 for Windows 7, and create a program on my PC, then apply commands using the button config codes. I could upload a program to a website made for Wii U and you could use it, assuming the servers can handle it.
The Gaikai will stream video games using a network, and I can guarantee HTML5 will be used to input the button commands over a network. It like pressing pause, play, fast forward, or rewind on your remote to watch a movie.

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SCAR392 wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

Cheaptrick wrote:

Coming from a guy who claimed that knowing the Wii U button states will make someone be able to make games on the Wii U. I don't really see any credibility on SCAR at all.

You're right, we're using keyboards on our Wii U consoles. If you don't know how the button states are important for indie Wii U devs, than you lack credibility even more so.
How do you think even a keyboard works? Do you just plug it in and it works through USB?
No, it doesn't just work, there was a code in computers to make it work in the first place.

Yes but you need to know a lot more than Button States to make or even port a game onto a different system, including Wii U.

Not really. All you need is ANY software development program. I could go buy Photoshop CS6 for Windows 7, and create a program on my PC, then apply commands using the button config codes. I could upload a program to a website made for Wii U and you could use it, assuming the servers can handle it.
The Gaikai will stream video games using a network, and I can guarantee HTML5 will be used to input the button commands over a network. It like pressing pause, play, fast forward, or rewind on your remote to watch a movie.

If it is that easy then please share the link to this website where you created this game so I can play it

http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/44243746261/nickels-dimes-and-quarters
http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/why-console-specs-dont-matter
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/200271/Video_Don_Daglow_on_nextgen_transition_traps_and_treasures.php

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39. Posted:

@DefHalen
I haven't created any sort of software, but that doesn't mean I don't know how it works.
The Photoshop CS6 program I mentioned for high quality software development alone costs $700, and a decent computer is required.
I'm not BSing, my brother goes to school for this kind of thing, and I've seen how it works.

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SCAR392 wrote:

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I haven't created any sort of software, but that doesn't mean I don't know how it works.
The Photoshop CS6 program I mentioned for high quality software development alone costs $700, and a decent computer is required.
I'm not BSing, my brother goes to school for this kind of thing, and I've seen how it works.

Right but what you are saying is an investment of $700 for the program, and lets say $1,700 for a super awesome computer, and the knowledge of the Wii U button States and you can start creating, or at least porting, games to the Wii U which you can make thousands and millions of dollars off of... sorry but there is so much that goes into a video game that just knowing Button States will not allow for making or even porting games.

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http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/44243746261/nickels-dimes-and-quarters
http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/why-console-specs-dont-matter
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/200271/Video_Don_Daglow_on_nextgen_transition_traps_and_treasures.php

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