Topic: For those of you who are planning to buy Nintendo NX Home Console as soon as it comes out..do you think i should still get a wii U now?

You lot are assuming a Metroid Prime 4 will even exist, it could be that Federation Force is Metroid's future.

That's exactly what I'm afraid of.

Don't really see what that has to do with the NX though. Are you trying to say they won't make any exploration focused games again? Because they could lose a lot of fans that way.

I have a theory that Mr Iwata mentioned the NX last year with no idea what concept it would take. Now, Nintendo are monitoring the internet until the speculation designs it for them hahaha.
(For those with no sense of humour, I am quite aware the 'NX' will have been in research when the Wii U was launched (maybe even before.)

Well they have to have been keeping an eye on the Wii U's reception while they were designing the NX so there may be some truth to that idea. But yeah, they couldn't have waited until last year to start, they've probably been monitoring fan feedback the entire generation.

Did any nintendo console have this many games in its first half during its supposed final year?

For the same reason we didn't know about Twilight Princess HD, Amiibo Festival, Splatoon, A Link Between Worlds, Majora's Mask, Mario Tennis, Wind Waker HD, Super Mario 3D World etc until fairly soon before release. None of them had more than 1 E3 before launch, some had no E3 between announcement and launch.

Thus making my original point even stronger. If they were on the Wii they would have been full retail releases that you would have counted as "games". Because it's the Wii U there's also digital stuff.

Splatoon is the only one that counts. The other two were just recycling assets.

Except we don't and lately a lot of things have been pointing to a portable.

The only ones of those that had 0 E3s were the Zelda remakes. If it's close to completion that implies a release before E3.

Yeah, no. There's no other way that can be interpreted, and there's no solid evidence that it's solely a portable.

@Bolt_Srrike A question yeah. Who do you think nintendo is likely to find more succes with with its next console. The hardware market or the mobile market? That should tell you what the next hardware might be

I think Nintendo wants to go after both. The mobile market has sheer numbers and fits their business philosophy better, but the hardcore market is where most of the third party support and media is, which would help their image. Nintendo probably wants to open themselves to as wide a market as possible.

@Bolt_Strike

Correction, Hardware=hardcore

Anyway would you be more specific. What kind of device are you expecting for it to cater to both? Will a console be able to attract a mobil audience? A mobil device? A hybrid?

We're talking about 2016, half of 2016 is after E3. I didn't say I expect an unannounced game to launch before E3 at any point. All I said was that a lot of games released on Wii U and 3DS lately have had less than a year between announcement and launch. You're really stretching at this point.

Well the talk from suppliers IMO has more weight than a fansite reading between the lines of an off-hand comment. We can be reasonably confident that whatever the NX is it has a screen. We can guess that it uses cartridges based on the talk of ROM chips. Those are the most concrete rumours thus far. Ontop of that the WSJ is now talking about a portable based on what I can only assume are reliable sources. Maquarie posted a investor information leaflet which made an assumption that it was a portable. These guys don't jump to hasty conclusions.

Could they all be wrong? Yes. But I think at this point it's foolish to assume that it's a home console just because. At this point the default should be to start with the view that it's probably a portable. Too many things are pointing that way to act as if that's impossible. I look forward to seeing you guys act all shocked if what has been a possibility from the start turns out to be true

Well Nintendo references an ecosystem similar to Apple's iOS, so I expect it to be multiple devices. I expect a handheld and console device as well as some type of app or software that allows you to connect third party mobile devices and PCs, all of which will launch in 2016. Later on (maybe 2019/2020) they could possibly add a VR device as well. Additionally, I think there's going to be higher and lower end models of the handheld and console to balance cost and power, allowing them to attract both hardcore gamers that want cutting edge consoles as well as budget models for more casual players. That would cover just about every conceivable corner of the market.

@Bolt_Strike

Sounds more interesting than the usual stuff I hear. I mean very far out of the box they have been in for 30 like years. That would be a drastic change

I personally dont expect them to expand hardware to that extent and sell that many variations of products. I expect that they will stay with the "hardware generation" format. Meaning a unique hardware thats gonna be supported through some years. Your description sounds like apple and android market format, which I think doesnt work without the phone aspect+subscription option.

Nintendo neither has the expertise to take the huge risk you are describing. It would cost em a lot if the idea failed, so I dont expect Nintendo to just throw out many form factors with them being conservative with expenses as they are.

They'll probably anounce the next hardware soon, which most likely is going to be 1 piece of hardware device thats well priced unlike the wii u. And its going to try to attract the mobile gaming audience no doubt. To me a mobil/portable device is the only thing that makes sense in this. The hardcore audience is already occupied by ps4 and the One. Do you think they care about some other piece of hardware playing games they can already play on their current device? You think they care about nintendo content? They dont, cuz if they did, the wii u would have done better.

This is what the Nintendo Network is. Fair to say that the launch dates for the two tiers Nintendo would release hardware for are not set in stone. I'd argue that having more than one piece of hardware launch in the same year would be suicide.

This is pie in the sky thinking. I can't see anyone pushing VR as a mass market device within 5 years let alone Nintendo. Also they're stretched as it is with two product tiers so the idea that they'd have three or more? That's insane. Not going to happen.

I don't see the hardware generation system working anymore, in fact I think 8th gen may be the last traditional hardware generation before all of the Big 3 transition towards a multiple form factor, Apple-like ecosystem. The industry's reaching a point where significant, generational leaps are no longer occurring and any kind of evolution is based on new form factors and services, so hardware generations are losing their purpose. As for needing a subscription, all they really need is a unified account that can store your game and profile data that could be downloaded to whatever hardware you own.

They may not need to have them all at once, they could save higher end models until Microsoft and Sony release their 9th gen consoles to stay competitive, for instance. And really what I'm proposing isn't terribly different from how they operate now, the only difference is that that now consoles can have multiple models just like the handhelds do (which may be even more beneficial to consoles because of the aforementioned conflict between having a sustainable, budget friendly console and having a high end, mass market appealing console). So I think 2 handhelds and 2 consoles would be a good place to start.

Having only one console would sort of contradict the impression they're trying to give off with the next gen handheld and console, that they're supposed to be "like brothers". If they're meant to be seen as brothers, then why is one of them getting preferential treatment? I can't see them getting positive reception for the NX's launch unless they have both a console or a handheld, otherwise it'll look like Nintendo is treating the console market as inferior which is likely to upset a lot of mainstream gamers.

The hardcore audience isn't out of their league, if they can outdo the PS4 and Xbox One in specs then that would convince them to make the jump. Which again, Nintendo needs in order to change their image in the mainstream, otherwise they're going to continue to be labelled the kiddie console manufacturer that can't keep up with the market.

If Nintendo really is committed to the Apple business model than this is something they're going to have to put up with, cannibalization of hardware sales is one of the inherent drawbacks of this system. They can soften the blow though, if they try to standardize the design of the different models (which again, probably wouldn't be too much different from what they do already), that way they can cut down on manufacturing expenses.

A lot of what you are saying @Bolt_Strike doesnt sound like it is based on reality. All that you are saying is great and I would absolutely love it. But in reality a hardware piece catering to the hardcore audience costs a lot for Nintendo. Nintendo likes high profit margins, thats why a low tech like the 3ds is sold for 200 dollars. They dont have other certain income streams like Microsoft with Windows, or Sony with ensurance and other devices. In contrast to Nintendo both of them are able to sell hardware at loss. This is why a hardware piece with better specs than ps4 and One under Nintendo wouldnt be ideal, cuz it would have to be expensive, meaning no one would give a damn.

The "brothers" idea implies that the wii u, 3ds and the new device + smartphone app are gonna operate as brothers, not many "new" hardware pieces like you're insinuating perse. You can see it in the slides in the investor meeting.

Lastly

I don't see the hardware generation system working anymore, in fact I think 8th gen may be the last traditional hardware generation before all of the Big 3 transition towards a multiple form factor, Apple-like ecosystem. The industry's reaching a point where significant, generational leaps are no longer occurring and any kind of evolution is based on new form factors and services, so hardware generations are losing their purpose. As for needing a subscription, all they really need is a unified account that can store your game and profile data that could be downloaded to whatever hardware you own.

As I said, this idea only works for phones because the smartphone market demand is huge and people find it worth to update their phones in comparison to gaming devices. If a company like samsung brings out 3 types of devices catering to different types of people, they will mostly sell well/enough for each device. Gaming doesnt take the forefront and often games arent very demanding, so specs are very user based. And with subscription I meant contracts. The reason why phones are sold more easily is because of contracts.

A device from nintendo will definitly have gaming as the forefront with no phone capabilities. Specs are important to a gamer and a gamer does not want to feel like he has the inferior product in the line so soon(which is why everyone ignored the 8gb WII U). You cannot compare phones to dedicated gaming devices. In fact, there is no gaming exclusive device that does a similar thing to the mobile market with new devices every year. Nintendo going in that direction would be a first, and I think it would fail

@DJaa Nintendo's more likely to fail going that route than the one I suggest, they're not going to be able to attract the hardcore gamers or the casuals unless they have top tier specs or a device that can do way more than play video games respectively. Their only other option besides those is to look for another blue ocean market like they did with the Wii, and that might not even be sustainable either because another company can easily come along and figure out a better way to appeal to them just like the mobile market did for the casuals. There's simply little to no market for what Nintendo is trying to do with their consoles, they can't make a cheap console AND try and make it gameplay focused, there's not enough demand for such a console anymore. And that demand is shrinking every generation, so if they want to survive in the long run they're going to need to make major changes.

And question..how do i get my tv screen to display the same image i see on my gamepad screen?

I want to be able to see the wii menu on my gamepad screen and tv screen at the same time when i control my gamepad

I for one would wait until we actually get official information from Nintendo about NX. Like I'm 100% buying a new home console this year be it an Xbox One PS4 or NX but I'm waiting to see what the NX is first before I make my decision (also when it launches)

@radagasttt please just ask your questions here instead of creating new threads.