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Topic: For those of you who are planning to buy Nintendo NX Home Console as soon as it comes out..do you think i should still get a wii U now?

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skywake

Bolt_Strike wrote:

No, it's not heavy at all. You named 6 games that released on the Wii in 2012. We only have 4 for the Wii U this year. The lineup is worse in quantity, and arguably not that much better in quality, so it's not exactly in a league above that Wii lineup.

Yeah, and most of those 6 were because localisation was delayed. Two of those games were already out in Europe and in Japan there was only Mario Party 9 for the Wii in 2012. This year we're all getting Zelda U, Twilight Princess HD, Star Fox Zero and Pokken Tournament for sure. All of which are bigger titles than everything on that list of 6 other than Xenoblade. And again, Xenoblade was already out in the EU and Japan in 2012. This is of course assuming that there's absolutely nothing else for Wii U at E3.

It's clear you want to spin this a particular way but I'm sorry, there's no argument here. You're wrong.

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iKhan

Bolt_Strike wrote:

skywake wrote:

2. The statement was qualified, the claim was that it's a heavy year for a "transition year"
3. This was the Wii's lineup in the US for the year the Wii U launched:

  • Just Dance 4
  • Epic Mickey 2
  • NPC Pikmin 2 (EU/Japan: 2009)
  • Xenoblade Chronicles (EU: 2011, Japan: 2010)
  • Mario Party 9
  • Rhythm Heaven Fever (Japan: 2011)

I think the statement holds, the Wii U's lineup for this year is pretty heavy for a transition year.

No, it's not heavy at all. You named 6 games that released on the Wii in 2012. We only have 4 for the Wii U this year. The lineup is worse in quantity, and arguably not that much better in quality, so it's not exactly in a league above that Wii lineup.

And that was at the end of the year. The Wii U already has 4 games, and all of them are much more resource intensive than Just Dance 4, Epic Mickey 2, or Mario Party 9. And there is likely more to announce.

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skywake

I mean obviously you could argue that Mario Party 9 is a bigger title than Zelda U or Star Fox Zero. It wouldn't be a good argument but I suppose it's all subjective. I suppose all I can reply with without people complaining would be a huge anecdote. This is what I personally brought or intend to buy:

Wii games in the 12 months before the Wii U launch:

  • Zelda Skyward Sword
  • Rayman Origins
  • Rhythm Paradise

Wii U games in the 12 months before November 2016:

  • Guitar Hero Live
  • Zelda: Twilight Princess HD
  • Zelda U
  • Star Fox Zero

DS games in the 12 months before the 3DS launch:

  • Pokemon Black

3DS games in the 12 months before November 2016:

  • Detective Pikachu (if it counts, I think it's a download)

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martinskrtel37

"the NX, whatever it is, is coming out soon, maybe in a year. should i buy a Wii U?"

for me those two sentences have nothing to do with each other. nintendo are putting a new system out - so what!! why would that affect your desire to play Wii U games? i think you should still get a Super NES. i think you should still get an N64. i think you should own an oldschool CRT TV. i think you should own a Gamecube, i think you should own a Wii and i think you should own a Game Boy Advance. all of their systems stand the test of time, what comes out tomorrow shouldn't matter!

Octane wrote:

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iKhan

skywake wrote:

I mean obviously you could argue that Mario Party 9 is a bigger title than Zelda U or Star Fox Zero. It wouldn't be a good argument but I suppose it's all subjective.

In terms of size, it's subjective, but in terms of resources allocated, years in development is a pretty strong objective measure.

Nd Cube makes at party game yearly. Same with Ubisoft and Just Dance. There is a new home console Zelda game every 4-5 years. I can't really speak for Star Fox Zero though. There is clearly more money being put into one than the other.

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Bolt_Strike

skywake wrote:

Yeah, and most of those 6 were because localisation was delayed. Two of those games were already out in Europe and in Japan there was only Mario Party 9 for the Wii in 2012. This year we're all getting Zelda U, Twilight Princess HD, Star Fox Zero and Pokken Tournament for sure. All of which are bigger titles than everything on that list of 6 other than Xenoblade. And again, Xenoblade was already out in the EU and Japan in 2012. This is of course assuming that there's absolutely nothing else for Wii U at E3.

It's clear you want to spin this a particular way but I'm sorry, there's no argument here. You're wrong.

For the Wii U games, 2 of the 4 were meant to release in 2015 but were delayed, 1 is an arcade port, and 1 is a remake that likely isn't drawing a lot of resources (and may not have even existed on Wii U if Zelda U wasn't delayed). So they're really not putting that much effort into 2016's lineup either.

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martinskrtel37

Bolt_Strike wrote:

skywake wrote:

Yeah, and most of those 6 were because localisation was delayed. Two of those games were already out in Europe and in Japan there was only Mario Party 9 for the Wii in 2012. This year we're all getting Zelda U, Twilight Princess HD, Star Fox Zero and Pokken Tournament for sure. All of which are bigger titles than everything on that list of 6 other than Xenoblade. And again, Xenoblade was already out in the EU and Japan in 2012. This is of course assuming that there's absolutely nothing else for Wii U at E3.

It's clear you want to spin this a particular way but I'm sorry, there's no argument here. You're wrong.

For the Wii U games, 2 of the 4 were meant to release in 2015 but were delayed, 1 is an arcade port, and 1 is a remake that likely isn't drawing a lot of resources (and may not have even existed on Wii U if Zelda U wasn't delayed). So they're really not putting that much effort into 2016's lineup either.

so if a game was delayed it means they're not putting effort into it? how did you work that one out? star fox and zelda delayed means they're putting less effort into them because they're coming out the next year? what?

pokken is an arcade port? you mean they tested it out in arcades first? the lengths people will go to discredit something, honestly

twilight princess "probably isn't using too many resources" so they probably didn't put much effort into it. you heard it here first!

i don't even understand the point of this post, you choose four big games and then try to pretend they're insignificant? and then the best part is you mention spinning something a certain way - only 1 person spinning here mate!!

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Octane wrote:

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skywake

@Bolt_Strike:
If you're going to go that route then the only original game the Wii got in 2012 was Epic Mickey 2. There was a bit of shovelware but the rest were either late localisations or annual releases. If you're going to say that Zelda U doesn't count because it was "delayed" then I have no idea how you think Xenoblade Chronicles on the Wii counts for 2012.

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Bolt_Strike

martinskrtel37 wrote:

so if a game was delayed it means they're not putting effort into it? how did you work that one out? star fox and zelda delayed means they're putting less effort into them because they're coming out the next year? what?

No, what the delays mean is that they weren't intended to be released at this time. Both Zelda U and Star Fox Zero were supposed to be Holiday 2015 games, so delaying them to 2016 makes it appear as though they had more planned for 2016 than they actually did.

martinskrtel37 wrote:

pokken is an arcade port? you mean they tested it out in arcades first? the lengths people will go to discredit something, honestly

I fail to see how this is a stretch. It was released as an arcade game first. Most of the work on it is done besides localization and porting. So not a huge effort.

martinskrtel37 wrote:

twilight princess "probably isn't using too many resources" so they probably didn't put much effort into it. you heard it here first!

Remakes are known to be less resource intensive because they're not starting from scratch, they're just rebuilding an already finished game. Which is exactly why they're often used as filler, as is the case with Wind Waker HD.

martinskrtel37 wrote:

i don't even understand the point of this post, you choose four big games and then try to pretend they're insignificant?

The point is that 2 of them aren't actually big games and the other 2 weren't planned to release this year. So this notion they had all of these big games planned for 2016 is false, they had 0 big games planned for this year.

skywake wrote:

@Bolt_Strike:
If you're going to go that route then the only original game the Wii got in 2012 was Epic Mickey 2. There was a bit of shovelware but the rest were either late localisations or annual releases. If you're going to say that Zelda U doesn't count because it was "delayed" then I have no idea how you think Xenoblade Chronicles on the Wii counts for 2012.

1 original game is still more than 0 original games.

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Bolt_Strike

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skywake

@Bolt_Strike:
Known Nintendo Published games for Wii U confirmed to be launching in NA for 2016:

  • Twilight Princess HD (port)
  • Pokken Tournament (was in arcades running on a Wii U, now getting a retail release)
  • Star Fox Zero (delayed, still being worked on)
  • Shin Megami x Fire Emblem (launched in Japan in December 2015)
  • Zelda U (delayed, still being worked on)
  • Mario & Sonic

Same thing but with games that did launch in 2012 on the Wii:

  • Rhythm Heaven Fever (launched in Japan in 2011)
  • PokePark 2 (launched in EU/Japan in 2011)
  • Mario Party 9
  • Xenoblade Chronicles (launched in EU 2011, Japan 2010)
  • Pikmin 2 (port, launched in EU/Japan in 2009)
  • Kirby's Dream Collection (Compilation)

Sorry. There's no argument. The Wii U is getting more this year than the Wii did in its last year. In terms of quantity in the US they're about equal as far as we know currently but one more game would change that. In Europe and Japan there's no contest on that measure. In terms of quality it's subjective but I'd argue that any year a Zelda comes out is a big year. Let alone two. In terms of effort? At this stage other than Mario Party all the Wii was getting in the US were games that were stuck in localisation limbo. Delayed or not there are some pretty big games for the Wii U still being worked on.

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Bolt_Strike

skywake wrote:

@Bolt_Strike:
Known Nintendo Published games for Wii U confirmed to be launching in NA for 2016:

  • Twilight Princess HD (port)
  • Pokken Tournament (was in arcades running on a Wii U, now getting a retail release)
  • Star Fox Zero (delayed, still being worked on)
  • Shin Megami x Fire Emblem (launched in Japan in December 2015)
  • Zelda U (delayed, still being worked on)
  • Mario & Sonic

Same thing but with games that did launch in 2012 on the Wii:

  • Rhythm Heaven Fever (launched in Japan in 2011)
  • PokePark 2 (launched in EU/Japan in 2011)
  • Mario Party 9
  • Xenoblade Chronicles (launched in EU 2011, Japan 2010)
  • Pikmin 2 (port, launched in EU/Japan in 2009)
  • Kirby's Dream Collection (Compilation)

Sorry. There's no argument. The Wii U is getting more this year than the Wii did in its last year.

LOL, if you're looking at those two lineups side by side and still saying there's no argument you're either blind or stupid because there is absolutely no way you can look at this list and say the Wii U is getting significantly more, none whatsoever. Not in quantity, not in originality, and not in workload. These lineups are pretty similar in a lot of ways.

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Bolt_Strike

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Bolt_Strike

And another thing. If they're continuing with the Wii U into 2017 then why do we know nothing about any potential 2017 releases? They've spent the better part of this generation teasing Wii U games like Xenoblade Chronicles X, Zelda U, Gen Ben Roku whatever, and Yoshi's Woolly World, and now all of the sudden they pull a 180 and won't talk about anything more than 6 months ahead of time? Even when their E3 2015 lineup was such a massive disappointment? This can't all be coincidence, there's no reason to suddenly become so tight lipped on the last year of the Wii U's lifespan, it makes more sense to want to conceal launch titles for a new console.

Bolt_Strike

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DJaa

Nintendo is undoubtedly going to try to play into the mobile market with its next hardware platform. Those who dont see this and expect nintendo to get in the same race as ps4 and one are delusional. Here's why

Nintendo content and western 3rd party games have 0!! Crossover. The mobile market is the people nintendo needs. Nintendo going in the direction most people speculate about(ps4/one competitor) is destined towards low sales, hence another dry console with little support from west, hence another sales failure. Not even the xbox one is doing that well. Let that sink in

This is why I think NX is not going to replace the wii u. Chances are higher that its going to replace the 3ds.

I say the Wii U is still going to be supported till at least 2017. More content will be revealed for it. Call me out when im wrong, but its what I expecr right now

For those who saw the recent presentation, it shows that theyre building a new online infrastructure to communicate their products better through widely owned smartphones. While dumb impatient people are calling nintendo out, Nintendo knows they cant replace the wii u yet without it impacting the sales of its next console. They need to gain goodwill first. Theyre doing their best to build an infrastructure to make it efficient and effective as possible to get the best out of the time wii u is still going to be in the market.

This is something I hope they will do because it will really help the next console to launch with a more positive energy and hype.

Nintendo has a tendancy to ignore dumb people and go against odds without really confirming or denying stupid speculation.

Yeah theres a lot of passion and bias in this post, but it makes a lot of sense really. The reason why I think nintendo is expanding into other teritories like mobile phone apps and theme parks is also to maintain profits without having to rush things into their doom. I like the WII U and for it to be replaced soon would not make me buy the next console. You think I am in the minority? I doubt it

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DJaa

DJaa

Bolt_Strike wrote:

And another thing. If they're continuing with the Wii U into 2017 then why do we know nothing about any potential 2017 releases? They've spent the better part of this generation teasing Wii U games like Xenoblade Chronicles X, Zelda U, Gen Ben Roku whatever, and Yoshi's Woolly World, and now all of the sudden they pull a 180 and won't talk about anything more than 6 months ahead of time? Even when their E3 2015 lineup was such a massive disappointment? This can't all be coincidence, there's no reason to suddenly become so tight lipped on the last year of the Wii U's lifespan, it makes more sense to want to conceal launch titles for a new console.

The same reason why twilight princess HD; cloud, bayonetta and corrin in smash werent at e3. Same reason why draqon quest 7 and 8 werent at e3. The rumors of a new paper mario should also tell you why.

DJaa

skywake

Bolt_Strike wrote:

LOL, if you're looking at those two lineups side by side and still saying there's no argument you're either blind or stupid because there is absolutely no way you can look at this list and say the Wii U is getting significantly more, none whatsoever. Not in quantity, not in originality, and not in workload. These lineups are pretty similar in a lot of ways.

I'm just going to post more of these comparisons because you're good ad digging yourself into a hole

Known Nintendo Published games for Wii U confirmed to be launching in Japan for 2016:

  • Twilight Princess HD (port)
  • Pokken Tournament (was in arcades running on a Wii U, now getting a retail release)
  • Star Fox Zero (delayed, still being worked on)
  • Zelda U (delayed, still being worked on)
  • Mario & Sonic
  • Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash (launched in US/EU in 2015)

Same thing but with games that did launch in 2012 on the Wii:

  • Kiki Trick (Japan only, and I'm not sure if it counts as a "game")
  • Just Dance Wii 2 (Japan only)
  • Project Zero 2 (port)
  • Kirby's Dream Collection (compilation)
  • Mario Party 9

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Bolt_Strike

DJaa wrote:

The same reason why twilight princess HD

Announcing Twilight Princess HD at E3 would've been a good decision actually. It would've softened the blow of Zelda U's delay and absence.

DJaa wrote:

cloud, bayonetta and corrin in smash werent at e3.

They're DLC, they don't need to be.

DJaa wrote:

The rumors of a new paper mario should also tell you why.

Which at this point are nothing more than rumors. But assuming they are true, having that game as well would've placated Paper Mario fans who were disappointed that the only game they got was a mediocre crossover that's more Mario & Luigi than Paper Mario.

skywake wrote:

I'm just going to post more of these comparisons because you're good ad digging yourself into a hole

Known Nintendo Published games for Wii U confirmed to be launching in Japan for 2016:

  • Twilight Princess HD (port)
  • Pokken Tournament (was in arcades running on a Wii U, now getting a retail release)
  • Star Fox Zero (delayed, still being worked on)
  • Zelda U (delayed, still being worked on)
  • Mario & Sonic
  • Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash (launched in US/EU in 2015)

Same thing but with games that did launch in 2012 on the Wii:

  • Kiki Trick (Japan only, and I'm not sure if it counts as a "game")
  • Just Dance Wii 2 (Japan only)
  • Project Zero 2 (port)
  • Kirby's Dream Collection (compilation)
  • Mario Party 9

Still not that much more and the Wii U lineup is still embellished by delays. Remove Zelda U and Star Fox Zero, then you have a more accurate comparison of the kind of support they're getting.

If you guys are so convinced that the Wii U will be continuing into 2017, then just what do you think the lineup will be? Because it can't get much worse than it is now and there's not a lot they could be working on that they wouldn't rather have as an NX launch title. We're pretty much getting scraps and delayed projects at this point on both consoles, so now would be a natural time to make the jump.

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Bolt_Strike

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Socar

I too would love to get the Wii U but its too late to get it..... I should have had the chance to get the Wii U but I guess its too late for that.

I'm waiting for the NX reveal like the advice I was given in chit chat thread and see its release date. If its going to be released next year, I might as well get that instead of the Wii U simply because of backwards compatibility obviously.

But if its released like 2020, I'll gladly buy the Wii U for sure!

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DJaa

@bolt

I agree with you on Zelda TP HD. But its not about whether or what you prefer, its about how nintendo rolls. And most of what they do mostly goes against odds. If theres one familiar pattern, especially lately, its that they anounce/show games closer to release. I believe there's going to be some surprises. Maybe one at the next direct or some at e3. But I could be wrong.

Besides, this seems like the best first half of the year they had with the wii u. Twilight HD, pokken, star fox and possibly fe x smt. It seems like they have little reason to desperatly show their cards soon like usually. They can market those games in the mean time + possibly new mario maker content, the new nintendo account stuff and smartphone miitome whatever. They have plenty stuff now which gives them the opportunity to safe stuff for later. Its the same reason also why we have only seen zelda WII U in the same environment and havent had a blowout for that game yet either. Nintendo seems to have been going with this strategy a lot lately. Im not sure if its always good. Sony for example likes to show off as soon as they have a cgi trailer or anything playable. Nintendo however does it.... their own way i guess

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DJaa

skywake

@Bolt_Strike:
Even if you removed Star Fox Zero and Zelda U for whatever reason the Wii U would still be in better shape than the Wii was. Remember that the US lineup late in the game was padded with localisations, games that had already released in Japan AND Europe. Then there's Project Zero and Kirby which you would argue are just as big as Twilight Princess HD. Somehow. And after basically discounting everything we're somehow left arguing about whether Mario Party is bigger than Mario & Sonic.

Anyways, it seems you love to make a fool of yourself. Here's the Europe equivalent of those previous posts, once again not including Project Guard. Not including games that could well be anounced at E3. Known Nintendo Published games for Wii U confirmed to be launching in Europe for 2016:

  • Twilight Princess HD (port)
  • Pokken Tournament (was in arcades running on a Wii U, now getting a retail release)
  • Star Fox Zero (delayed, still being worked on)
  • Shin Megami x Fire Emblem (launched in Japan in December 2015)
  • Zelda U (delayed, still being worked on)
  • Mario & Sonic

Same thing but with games that did launch in 2012 on the Wii:

  • Quiz Party (Europe only)
  • Project Zero 2 (port)
  • The Last Story (2011 in Japan, Published by Xseed in NA)
  • Rhythm Paradise (launched in Japan in 2011)
  • Mario Party 9

The Wii U is still getting the big hitters, delayed or not. During the last year of the Wii it was only the dregs.

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Chandlero

Socar wrote:

I too would love to get the Wii U but its too late to get it..... I should have had the chance to get the Wii U but I guess its too late for that.

Too late to buy a console? Seriously, this is not rocket science here. If you want to play the games the console offers then just buy it and have fun. Simply as that.

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