Topic: Follow through!

And how many of those kind of games are on Steam? Being a gamer is about searching for those hidden gems. If games were all about reviews then nobody would ever buy games that got lower then 7 out of 10. But I'm not here to change your mind since you seemed to have made your mind up already. The point is that you, yes you, have to make the effort to get behind some indie games/developers because there is something in that list of 187 that you will like that isn't a NES VC game or poor quality Indie that will offer up something good. I agree that Wii U should not be about playing crap Indie games for the sake of it - I'd rather not use it at all then buy something like The Letter.... but just assuming the indie craps are crap is beyond weak - the fact you have a Steam account should have educated you enough in that in any list there will always be something under the radar worthy of your time.

The Ouya has plenty of games, why aren't we all playing that?

Because none of us bought one. We have bought Wii U's and most of us are enjoying them, it's just you that have dedicated an entire thread to your own issues.

Why would anyone buy a Wii U as their main platform to play good indie games? On PC you get so much more to choose from, and for significantly cheaper prices. More to the point, there are many people who bought a Wii U alongside a PC - me included. Ask plenty of people here - I'm sure many will say they have PC's for gaming. "Don't blame the Wii U for being worse value" is all I'm really getting out of that. Having a product that provides something for better value doesn't really seem like a personal issue.

Since when has anything on this forum board meant anything to Nintendo? The whole point is having a discussion, and negativity/criticism can fall into a discussion without having to be addressed at Nintendo. Also, yes, boycotts are more effective than complaining directly to Nintendo. Voting with your wallet is the best thing you can do as a consumer.
Also, I dont think him adding a little picture as a joke means people cant take what he says seriously. Bringing a little light-heartedness to the thread seems sorely needed.

Funny how many people cry for GameCUbe VC titles, when the GameCube itself was one of Nintendos worst selling systems. Did the games get better over time, like a good wine does ?
So, why are games on a console that didnt sell well the one thing people want so much on a console that also had its fair share of "not selling well" periods ?
What this tells me is: Sales numbers =/= Popularity and quality of a console = WiiU doom and gloom = BS

Nostalgia. GameCube games are old enough for people to develop strong, nostalgic feelings towards them.

It's selfish, really. The VC isn't anything great and the vocal fans are a minority (thankfully).

Not really. Even during its run, the Gamecube 1st party library was praised as being very high quality. That's why the Gamecube still has the highest tie-ratio of any Nintendo system ever. It managed to sell more games to its owners than the NES and SNES, even though they both had legendary 3rd party support.

The style of game had a limited audience, but it played extraordinarily well to that audience.

Metacritic is only good for getting a rough idea of how well games were reviewed, but looking at this list there were over 100 games with an average score of 80-100 on the GCN. From that its not hard to see why some people want a few of those games. The N64 list by comparison has closer to 30 in that area, which is a pretty considerable difference.

Well there are probably a lot of reasons people didn't buy a Gamecube. I did not get a GC because I felt a bit burnt from my N64 experience. While it had a handful of classic games, I really felt left out from all the huge titles that were hitting PSX during that time (Final Fantasy 7, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, etc.). After coming off the heels of the SNES, it felt strange to be the kid with the console that wasn't getting all the best new games. So I went with a PS2. I don't regret that decision, but I ended up missing out on a lot of great Nintendo games in the meantime. I'd love to play some F-Zero GX right now!

And sure some games become more well received over time, just like any other media - movies, books, etc. People's opinions evolve and we can come to see things differently as time rolls on. Wind Waker is a great example of that.

I think there are some parallels to the GC situation and the Wii U. People's buying decisions can be largely informed from their prior experiences. Just like I didn't buy a GC because of my N64 experience, a lot of people might not be buying Wii Us because of their Wii experience. Is that a bummer for Nintendo? Sure. The best thing Nintendo can do, in my opinion, is be REALLY different from the Wii from this point on. While that's tough since the new system literally has basically the same name, I think they really gotta carve out a new identity and move on.

It's not just me posting in this thread though? You are right I am simply posting my own opinions (issues), while you claim to speak for "us" and "them." Are you everyone else? It's fine to disagree, in fact it's kind of fun. I'm not going to pretend that standing up for my own opinion against someone else's isn't fun. That's why I post on this forum - for fun. Conflict brews discussion which brews new ideas, better understanding, and to be straight... it kills time.

I'm not discussing the quality of anything, I'm discussing nostalgia and the irrelevancy of the VC.

I loved the GameCube when it came out and played a little too much of Animal Crossing. Do I want that game on VC? No, I would prefer those who would have worked on the VC release of the original to be put on the Wii U installment's development cycle.

@Geonjaha

+1

Plus, GC did sell a lot, maybe not more than other consoles, but still a lot.

"Best-selling game - Super Smash Bros. Melee, 7.09 million sold (as of March 10, 2008)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamecube

"Nintendo sold 22 million GameCube units worldwide during its lifespan,[72] [73] placing it slightly behind the Xbox's 24 million, and well behind the PlayStation 2's 153 million.[74][75] The GameCube's predecessor, the Nintendo 64, outperformed it as well selling nearly 33 million units.[76] The console was able to outsell the short-lived Dreamcast, however, which only sold 10.6 million units.[77] In September 2009, IGN ranked the GameCube 16th in its list of best gaming consoles of all time, placing it behind all three of its sixth-generation competitors: the PlayStation 2 (3rd), the Dreamcast (8th), and the Xbox (11th)."

You asked for recommendations, so I want to give them to you

I have a gaming PC, but prefer to play games on a console. All consoles are dwarfed by the support PC gets so by your standards, "why would anyone buy a console?" I bought a Wii U for Nintendo Games, ZombiU, and a better place to play indies. If there isn't enough value in a console you purchased for you personally then that is a personal problem. Technically a Smart Phone is a better value for gaming because of the amount of games available at such a low price. The games may not be great but most are free or close to free and hundreds release almost weekly. I still don't count my Smart Phone as a primary gaming source as I don't place value in it, just as you may not place value in the Wii U as you do not make it your primary gaming device. There is enough content for the Wii U to be valuable, but if you do not use the Wii U as a Primary gaming device then you personally are placing less value in it. Just as a Xbox One or PS4 would suffer from the same problem.

I also bought my Wii U for Nintendo games, VC, and a little indie goodness here and there. They just aren't giving me enough reasons to make it my primary console. With only 2 major Nintendo releases in 6 months - DK:TF and MK8, a very lackluster VC schedule, and big indie titles that already hit all the other consoles or PC months before, I can't help but feel the need to go somewhere else in the meantime. Hey, if you are satisfied, that's great. I just don't see it from my couch.

Now that statement I can agree with. I find myself playing my 3DS far more than the Wii U because it lacks titles. I enjoyed Mario Kart, Giana Sisters, and Pikmin, but then there's nothing to play after those. Luckily I don't game on my PC, so all indie games will be played on my 3DS and Wii U.

But I don't think the lack of titles is worthy of much ranting for me. I just don't really care since I have a 3DS to supplement the rest of my gaming needs.

Well it makes me wonder if VC development staff got moved to make new Wii U games. I don't know programming well enough to know how much effort and time it takes to make a VC game, but it's a possibility

In my case, as much as I love my Wii U, I also have a 3DS and a PS3. I don't see any of them as my primary console, or only for short spells. When I got Bayonetta, my Wii U got neglected. Then I neglected my PS3 when MK8 arrived. You get the idea.

And take a look at Scram Kitty. That is a high quality exclusive indie game. Very unique and worth its asking price. Armillo is not as good, but still an interesting 3D platfomer. The latter is a timed exclusive, but not sure to what other systems it will go.

This is how I feel on the situation, though I'm disappointed in the lack of first party software released so far in 2014 for Wii U there is always another system whether 3DS, PC, Vita and PS3 I can game on in the meantime though I'm a tad worried if this is the so called consistent amount of releases through the year that Reggie described last year (just before delaying Tropical Freeze).

Well, to be fair, the schedule is consistent.