Topic: Follow through!

Thanks for the thorough rebuttal. Here we go:

Looked to me like Captain Toad largely uses the gamepad in the same way we used it for SM3DW last Christmas? Mario Party may have some fun Gamepad quirks, I'll give ya that (but probably pretty similar to Wii Party U all in all). Kirby Rainbow Curse uses the Gamepad in a new way in that you don't even need your TV to play this game at all. It's the first portable title for the Wii U, yay! Splatoon - looks great. Way to go Nintendo. What about "Giant Robot" and "Shoot the lame Robots Over and Over" (or whatever it's called)? These both got extended Treehouse time, were created by the masterful Miyamoto...and yeah they looked like Kinect demos that should have never seen the light.

Uhh, Super Mario 64 in HD? Ocarina of Time in HD? How would that not help sell Wii U's?

I don't buy generic. Here's your real price:
http://www.amazon.com/Wii-Classic-Controller-nintendo/dp/B000...

You're right. Chubbins looks great! So does Pushmo World, oh wait I already own and beat that on my other Nintendo system.

People are doing it faster. I can emulate any NES, SNES, N64 and Gamecube game on a less than amazing PC, right now. The key is "I can", but I don't because I genuinely want to give money to Nintendo. They are one of the few companies, maybe only, that I actually want to support. If I didn't I wouldn't be here creating "Whining: The Thread", instead I would be playing StarFox 64 on my PC at max resolution with anti-aliasing on.

Thanks dude, likewise!

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I'd just like to say a few things I noticed.

First of all, VC doesn't sell systems. I'm not willing to go buy a Wii U (hypothetically speaking, becauseI already own one) because it has The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time, a game that came out over ten years ago, even if it's a great game. I wouldn't even buy it if they made it all HD and stuff. In fact, your whole N64 complaint is kinda pointless because many people own N64s, emulators, or Wiis that STILL HAVE Wii Shop functionality. Regardless, it'd be great for there to be N64 games on the eShop, but right now they're focused on selling systems. Oh, and before you complain about me forgetting about GCN games, I haven't They've already said they'd love to see it happen, and I believe they're working on it. If they aren't ever consider it might just be because they can't do it with the Wii U GamePad? I'm not saying they can't, but it's possible they're trying to overcome some limitation. In that case, they'd have to wait until Smash for Wii U comes out, when you can start buying the Wii U GCN controller adapter. I believe that GCN games will happen in the Wii U's lifetime, but seriously, be patient and stop complaining about what you have. I, for one, am happy GBA games are on the Wii U VC. Plenty of people are taking advantage of the games there. Why isn't it on 3DS? Because Nintendo is focusing on Wii U.

About Amiibo, your entire argument is pointless to me because in making Amiibo, Nintendo is following through with the one part of the Wii U GamePad that has literally no point thus far; NFC. What did you want them to do? Just let it sit there for the entirety of the Wii U's life doing absolutely nothing so even more people would complain they paid for a part of the GamePad that does nothing? Also, you intentionally tried to make a connection with Wii Fit Trainer and Mario Kart 8, which, it's blatantly obvious there won't be functionality between the two. Most likely, there'll be some sort of reward for owning the Smash 4 Mario, Luigi, DK, Bowser, Yoshi, etc Amiibos in MK8, which is what they were talking about. I don't know what kind of rewards, but Nintendo, contrary to your belief, will follow through on that, I have no doubt in my mind.

Finally, it's not really Nintendo's fault that you don't like their recent games. There has been a more steady rate of games coming to Wii U, and just because you don't like them or don't feel compelled to buy them doesn't mean they don't exist. If you aren't/weren't interesting in the games on/coming to Wii U, then, uh, why'd you buy one?

Again, correct me if I am wrong, but Pushmo World is NOT the same game as Pushmo on 3DS.

Not quite. The original classic controller had analogue triggers for L and R. I wish racing game devs would acknowledge them. I bet they include Gamecube controller support before they support the superior Wii Classic Controller properly

To everyone defending Nintendo by saying "VC doesn't sell systems":

Having nothing that any of their paying customers have asked for, for months at a time is worse for system sales than having reasonably well emulated classic games available. Nintendo have allowed gaps of months between notable releases and to tide the people who pre-ordered a Wii U over, they're spending their time releasing some of the least desired games in their entire back catalogue at as slow a pace as possible. A cynic would argue they're just trying to leech as many pennies out of their captive audience by only offering the worst games at the same price as they will ask for the classics.

Personally I think that Gamcube VC support would sell some systems, as well as make a butt-load of money from pre-existing oweners. The GC gracefully bowed out in 2007, which is now seven years ago, and there's a whole generation of gamers yet to play most of the games on the system, as well as those who would like to re-play them such as myself.

It would certainly ease the irritation of release gaps at the moment on the Wii U if someone could buy games such as Super Mario Sunshine, Fire Emblem, TimeSplitters, Rouge Squadron II, Skies or Arcadia, Eternal Darkness, Paper Mario: TTYD, etc.

How do you know? I see Sega Genesis's and Ataris that now come with like 50+ games built in for sale at Target. I don't know how well they sell, but obviously retro gaming is big enough to warrant both companies creating "consoles" that do ONLY that. And VC was a big factor for me buying a Wii U. I own a NES, SNES, N64, Wii, and a Wii U. Sure, I could go play my original copy of Ocarina of Time, hook my N64 up to my HDTV, and then writhe in horror at how bad the SD graphics translate to my new TV, orrrrr I could hopefully, at some point, buy a HD version of Ocarina on my Wii U and relive the good old days without the writhing horror.

You can call it complaining, I call it criticism. If you don't enjoy criticism, well then you don't have to be a part of this conversation. But telling me to "be patient and stop complaining" or "your entire argument is pointless" is just a condescending way of saying "I don't like what you have to say." Which is fine, but doing so in such a smug way makes me much less interested in considering your points. Just sayin.

Criticism isn't bad. I do it all the time, so downplaying this would be hypocritical. I just don't think most of these things are a big deal to me personally

I have never seen anybody with one of those things, besides myself, and I think they're an abomination, but to each their own. Also, when you hear reasons of why not to buy I Wii U, lack of new games come up more often than games that are already out. VC may be a factor in someone's decision to buy a system, but VC games aren't system sellers.

And let me restate that I'm not saying I don't want VC on Wii U, because honestly, I really want to play some GCN games I've missed, never having been a big gamer when the GCN was around, and not taking to time to find copies to play using my Wii. I'm simply stating I, and many other people, wouldn't buy a $250 machine plus however much N64 and GCN games would cost just so they could play those N64 and GCN games. There are cheaper methods, albeit less... convenient, but for $250 vs. $50 for the original system on eBay and $5-$10 a game, I don't think VC is the huge deal you make it out to be. By the way, those retro gaming systems cost much, much less than current-gen gaming system.

By the way, there's a 3D remake of Ocarina of Time you may want to look into. And a remake of Super Mario 64 on DS. Both of the originals are also out on the Wii Shop.

Incorrect. I'm saying your points are simply invalid or don't make sense, and explaining why. Perhaps this sounds... arrogant? For lack of a better word, but that's what I'm trying to do. Both you and I are entitled to our own opinions, I'm stating mine mixed with a bit of fact, as are you. Also, I'm allowed to take part in any conversation I like here on Nintendo Life, as long as I don't break the rules while doing so, whether I like the topic or not.

We agree!

standing my mother up again eh?

On exactly one thing.

technically if you agree that you agree it makes an infinite loop so you two agree in countless things already

Funny how whenever someone brings up the Virtual Console, the quick response is "Yeah, but it doesn't sell systems!" (Actually it does - one of the main reasons I bought the Wii U/3DS was the Virtual Console), as if putting some semblance of effort into the Virtual Console (which is still very much on peoples minds), would take away their ability to do so. If they can put effort into making Captains Toads game (Which wont sell consoles if the Virtual Console doesn't), then they can ensure at least one title a week per console.

Also, I agree that it's disappointing that Nintendo haven't come up with any more interesting ideas for games based around the gamepad, because I'd pay attention if they did. It seems like one of the Wii U's only advantages, and they've basically forgotten about it.

VC doesn't sell consoles because the rare downloads weren't implemented yet
ain't that right, @Ogo79?

Well I certainly didn't buy my WiiU or Wii for the VC, it doesn't add anything for those that never played on those consoles. Those how haven't played aren't attracted that's why VC doesn't sell consoles. And they haven't forgotten about the gamepad, they just haven't found the perfect use for it and that's why they are still expirementing (Project Gaurd and Giant Robot) and bringing out different games with different usage (Starfox, CT:TT, Kirby Rainbow Curse).

Wrong, they are both discontinued unfortunately.

The amazon link above was for knock off controllers. It will be hard to tell whats real and whats a knock off but that link was definitely for knock offs. Real controllers are marked up to where they nearly cost as much as a Wii U pro controller from what I have been able to find.

This is one of the best follow through's I have ever seen.

So you want a Classic Controller but they don't make them anymore, there is a $9 option but those don't count as they aren't official? Come on. If you want to play those games there is hardware available, stop pretending like it doesn't exist to prove a point.