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81. Posted:

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Uhm... why don't you read this, and then say what you think? http://playeressence.com/microsoft-and-sony-are-closer-to-goi...

This is exactly what these fanboys ignore. Dreamcast's failure was not the result of EA not supporting it. It was the victim of a long list of failures prior to it's release. In essence it was the "do or die" moment for Sega. There were at least 4 failures prior to Dreamcast and the tonnes of debt they had meant they didn't have a choice.

Sony are a lot closer to how Sega were. Actually their history as it is reads a lot like Sega. Releasing an overly expensive console which was incredibly difficult to design for and no true relevance in the current handheld market. Even the £180 million they missed out on due to PS3 sales falling off a cliff is similar to how the Saturn suffered decline in it's final years. This is how Sega were reading in their final years. The only real difference is PS3 went on to sell a lot more units. Nintendo doesn't even have debt yet.

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82. Posted:

Reading through comments I just love how forum goers think they know more about a systems capabilities than the devs do.

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83. Posted:

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EA needs to work on their PR, they're pretty bad at it lately.

Too who Gamers or mainstream consumer. The only real mainstream debacle EA has had of late was the SIm City being stupidly online only, and that sadly had little impact on the game selling very well.

I told a friend about the EA Wii U deal and he honestly didn't care that much and planned to just skip the Wii U for a PS4/720.

Also doesn't not having Madden/fifa on every platform go against the license. I could have sworn one of the rules of the license was the game had to be put on every viable platform.

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Sony_70 wrote:

I could have sworn one of the rules of the license was the game had to be put on every viable platform.

Bolded the key word for ya there.

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AceTrainerAndy wrote:

I hate to say it, but I think they will just be a software company next gen. I think they will make handhelds but no living room consoles.

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I consider handhelds and living room consoles to be a whole new level. Making handhelds barely counts, the real thing is the consoles that fight for a spot next to the the TV. I think Nintendo is done with that, Also, like I said, I used to be a fanboy and I would go out of my way to avoid doom and gloom articles because I thought they were wrong. Now that I am not a fanboy, I read them and most of the time, they are 100% true. By the way, Nintendoland and NSMBU are not good enough games to go out and buy a 350$ console. They weren't bad, but they weren't like Mario Sunshine/Mario Galaxy good. The EA employee is more than likely an AMerican citizen and he has a right to express his opinion. Why is it so immature that he expressed dislike towards a product? For example, NintendoLife reviewed a sports game today for DSi and they gave it 1 out of 10 stars. They basically trash talked it the whole article. Is that disrespect to the developer?

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86. Posted:

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OptometristLime wrote:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

AceTrainerAndy wrote:

I hate to say it, but I think they will just be a software company next gen. I think they will make handhelds but no living room consoles.

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I consider handhelds and living room consoles to be a whole new level. Making handhelds barely counts, the real thing is the consoles that fight for a spot next to the the TV.

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87. Posted:

Phatosaurus wrote:

AceTrainerAndy wrote:

OptometristLime wrote:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

AceTrainerAndy wrote:

I hate to say it, but I think they will just be a software company next gen. I think they will make handhelds but no living room consoles.

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I consider handhelds and living room consoles to be a whole new level. Making handhelds barely counts, the real thing is the consoles that fight for a spot next to the the TV.

If this was posted on NeoGAF, it would be retweeted via @NeoGAFPoopPosts.

Obviously, you don't understand my post. Handhelds are childs play. That is a pretty small dieing market because of Android and iOS. The real competition is the home consoles. You can sell games for 60$ and people will buy them. If you did that with a handheld game then people wouldn't buy it. Right now Nintendo is only prominent in the Handheld market which is deteriorating very quickly due to Smartphones. Yes, sales are up, but I predict that will stop after Pokemon X and Y come out. Nintendo will only make handhelds and software after this gen. Imagine the sales they would get if they put Zelda on an Xbox! If it was no longer a Nintendo Exclusive they would sell way more in my opinion. It is comparable to Google. Google owns the Android OS, but they still develop for their competitors. Guess what? They get way more downloads like that. Yes, I know Nintendo consoles sales would go down, but what is so bad about that? They can just make software. The Wii-U is like living with a heroine addict. It is taking all of their money. Nintendo doesn't get the average gamer and they are paying (pun intended) for that . Like I said, in 2020/2021 (if the pattern continues) they will just make handhelds and software at the end of the Gen.

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AceTrainerAndy wrote:

Imagine the sales they would get if they put Zelda on an Xbox! If it was no longer a Nintendo Exclusive they would sell way more in my opinion.

And why should Nintendo go multiplatform? Why not Sony or Microsoft? Them two make virtually the same system anyway so what is the point in both being around? Nintendo at least offer something unique with their hardware.

Anyone who REALLY cares about Nintendo's games will buy their systems. Its people like you who have no sense. You would rather have Nintendo's software quality plummet like Atari and Sega did just because you can't be bothered to buy the system? And make it for a corporation who has actively talked about taking away your rights as a consumer no less (blocking used games (note that is why choice exists to stop that bull))? The group who play Xbox and Playstation have long made it clear what they think of Nintendo's games. They don't care. There is a tiny segment of people like you who are really using nothing but wishful thinking. Nintendo is not going third party if Wii U fails. IF (and that is a big if) it fails they will just go 3DS only.

In fact they actually said when they drop out of hardware they are bringing their games down with them. And considering Sega's games have long been considered the best when they made consoles, it might not be such a bad idea.

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I don't think handhelds are a small, death is coming market. The handheld market has been very successful for Nintendo and that's why Sony decided to try to get a peice of the pie. But I do think the Wii U could be a struggle for Nintendo. The Gamecube only got the support of the Nintendo community much as I believe the Wii U will and the Gamecube proved to be a real challenge for Nintendo. The Wii U doesn't have that novelty to sell to casual, will lack sports for the sports fans, and has weak 3rd party support for most part with no hint yet of huge games like Call of Duty making their way to the console. Only time will tell the destiny of Nintendo or any other company.

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90. Posted:

I bet it has already been said in at least one of the pages of this thread but that one programmer says something is not the same thing that EA is saying something. They have hundreds and hundreds of employees. Their thoughts on their own Twitter pages is as offical as your are for the company that you may work for, hence not at all.

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91. Posted:

AceTrainerAndy wrote:

Why is it so immature that he expressed dislike towards a product? For example, NintendoLife reviewed a sports game today for DSi and they gave it 1 out of 10 stars. They basically trash talked it the whole article. Is that disrespect to the developer?

It is, and I respect Nintendo Life less for it. Even if a game is bad, I felt they could've been more mature about it. While I find that the comments in this thread are far less mature, I do agree that the employee could've been more mature about how he expressed himself. 'Course, he's only human, so he made mistakes, and I'm sure he'll pay for it. And now that it's probabably done - the tweets have been retracted - I think it's best for everyone if we all just move on.

I mean, Seriously, people, welcome to Twitter, the gutter trash of the internet, where people lose one brain cell after another for every word posted there. I can easily find far worse crap on there that's far more worthy of your hate than some Engineer saying the Wii U is crap. Seriously, if you're gonna get upset over this, I highly suggest never, ever going near Twitter, ever, or you'll probably have some kind of stroke. /rant

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92. Posted:

Sentinator wrote:

AceTrainerAndy wrote:

Imagine the sales they would get if they put Zelda on an Xbox! If it was no longer a Nintendo Exclusive they would sell way more in my opinion.

And why should Nintendo go multiplatform? Why not Sony or Microsoft? Them two make virtually the same system anyway so what is the point in both being around? Nintendo at least offer something unique with their hardware.

Anyone who REALLY cares about Nintendo's games will buy their systems. Its people like you who have no sense. You would rather have Nintendo's software quality plummet like Atari and Sega did just because you can't be bothered to buy the system? And make it for a corporation who has actively talked about taking away your rights as a consumer no less (blocking used games (note that is why choice exists to stop that bull))? The group who play Xbox and Playstation have long made it clear what they think of Nintendo's games. They don't care. There is a tiny segment of people like you who are really using nothing but wishful thinking. Nintendo is not going third party if Wii U fails. IF (and that is a big if) it fails they will just go 3DS only.

In fact they actually said when they drop out of hardware they are bringing their games down with them. And considering Sega's games have long been considered the best when they made consoles, it might not be such a bad idea.

Sony and Microsoft don't have nearly as many first party exclusives that is why they don't go multi-platform. I know so many people who don't have the luxury of owning both Nintendo and Microsoft consoles so they have to make a choice. 99 times out of 100 they choose Microsoft./Sony/Pc. Note: they enjoy Nintendo first party games but can't afford both an Xbox and Nintendo console. Remember, you go into business to make money, not friends so I doubt they would take their franchises down with them. I don't think Nintendo's quality will drop if they only do software. I have no evidence to back that up, I just have a feeling. I don't get why so many people won't accept that there is a good chance Wii-U is Nintendo's last console. They clearly don't know how to market so what makes you think their next console won't be a copy of this? Just look at Google! They develop for the competition and that brings in way more downloads which equals more money!

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my opinion in this mess is that this "Engineer" forgot that what matters isn't the CPU but how efficiently it is used a very light and well made program will still run faster than a heavy one even if the cpu that's running it is weaker.
it's not the number of cycles per second but how they are used...
since nintendo always did thing in a neat way they probably made the WiiU thinking they could make more with less if they tried to be efficient(or not...) and if that's what nintendo had in mind they're either plain faithful that their fans will like it or amazing people(if everyone did this there would be less power hungry machines and less bad programmers that make things so giant and complex that will freeze even the best PC model out there when it could be done in a way more simple for the user, and with more income for its creator)

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94. Posted:

AceTrainerAndy wrote:

Phatosaurus wrote:

AceTrainerAndy wrote:

OptometristLime wrote:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

AceTrainerAndy wrote:

I hate to say it, but I think they will just be a software company next gen. I think they will make handhelds but no living room consoles.

well this was contradicted quickly

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I consider handhelds and living room consoles to be a whole new level. Making handhelds barely counts, the real thing is the consoles that fight for a spot next to the the TV.

If this was posted on NeoGAF, it would be retweeted via @NeoGAFPoopPosts.

Obviously, you don't understand my post. Handhelds are childs play. That is a pretty small dieing market because of Android and iOS. The real competition is the home consoles. You can sell games for 60$ and people will buy them. If you did that with a handheld game then people wouldn't buy it. Right now Nintendo is only prominent in the Handheld market which is deteriorating very quickly due to Smartphones. Yes, sales are up, but I predict that will stop after Pokemon X and Y come out. Nintendo will only make handhelds and software after this gen. Imagine the sales they would get if they put Zelda on an Xbox! If it was no longer a Nintendo Exclusive they would sell way more in my opinion. It is comparable to Google. Google owns the Android OS, but they still develop for their competitors. Guess what? They get way more downloads like that. Yes, I know Nintendo consoles sales would go down, but what is so bad about that? They can just make software. The Wii-U is like living with a heroine addict. It is taking all of their money. Nintendo doesn't get the average gamer and they are paying (pun intended) for that . Like I said, in 2020/2021 (if the pattern continues) they will just make handhelds and software at the end of the Gen.

I completely understood your post, I even agree with parts of it, 'cept that bit I quoted.
You seem to think you have an air of superiority around and your opinions, and you keep banging on about not being a fanboy (fanboys always claim their not fanboys, funny how that works).

The handleheld console market has only lost its casual audiance to the iOS/Android devices.
Thus is the nature of the casual audiance, they come and go as they please to whatever's new and shiny at the time.

As long as there are, excuse the term, "real gamers", there'll still be a thriving handheld market.
The kind of people that own a Vita/3DS aren't satisfied with a 5 minute time waster like Temple Run. They want something with depth, something that they can get engrossed in.
Name an iOS/Android that allows for that.

Another thing to point out with the handheld consoles, lower development costs.
This leads to more innovative and origlnal titles being made since the stakes are much lower. Something like Soul Sacrifice wouldn't have been made if it was set for a home console release. See also: MGS Peace Walker, The Professor Layton games, The Ace Attorney games, Prinny 1/2, and countless other titles I can't be bothered to name right now.

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95. Posted:

AceTrainerAndy wrote:

Sony and Microsoft don't have nearly as many first party exclusives that is why they don't go multi-platform. I know so many people who don't have the luxury of owning both Nintendo and Microsoft consoles so they have to make a choice. 99 times out of 100 they choose Microsoft./Sony/Pc. Note: they enjoy Nintendo first party games but can't afford both an Xbox and Nintendo console. Remember, you go into business to make money, not friends so I doubt they would take their franchises down with them. I don't think Nintendo's quality will drop if they only do software. I have no evidence to back that up, I just have a feeling. I don't get why so many people won't accept that there is a good chance Wii-U is Nintendo's last console. They clearly don't know how to market so what makes you think their next console won't be a copy of this? Just look at Google! They develop for the competition and that brings in way more downloads which equals more money!

Being the last console does not necessarily mean last piece of hardware. Nintendo's software quality would naturally go down and I have evidence for that with Rare. Whenever a developer goes to alien hardware that they had no hand in making the games suck in comparison to their previous works. Rare have not made a truly great game since Banjo Tooie. And then go back to Sega and Atari.

As for the people who say they want to play Nintendo's games, they know what they are getting into. Nintendo's systems are practically always cheaper in comparison to the competition so yes. They can afford them. They choose not to buy them. I'm not sure about you personally, but a lot of the people I have seen hoping this to happen just don't like the "gimmicks" they make. Not aimed at you. And in my view, that is highly selfish of them. What about those who LIKE the hardware Nintendo put out?

Nintendo are nowhere near going third party anyway. If you are looking at this financially, Sony should drop Vita and make games for 3DS. Vita will only prove to lose the more money as they still aren't selling at profit and it isn't picking up true momentum. But there is a huge negative to that. Nintendo will have a monopoly in gaming dedicated handhelds. As a 3DS owner I like that there is an alternative for those who don't like 3DS. Ever since Sega dropped out people have been wishing the same thing happen to Nintendo but at this point in time that is all it is. A wish. They are nowhere near the position Sega were in. Losing a hardware competitor does not just mean lower quality games. It means people lose their manufacturer of choice. It means less competition. It means less choice.

There is not one single advantage to a manufacturer dropping out. Not one. Not for Nintendo. Not for Sony. Not for Microsoft.

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96. Posted:

I can't believe you guys...
Nintendo will do good, and Xbox∞ and PS4 are the consoles at each other's throats.
As for smartohone and tablet gaming. Many have been distracted beyond the whole idea of gaming, and capabilities that come with it like: buttons, cartridges, better graphics, dedicated software, etc.
Seriously, Nintendo will do good regardless of power, and handheld gaming won't disappear because of other portable devices. That's just not how it works.
There's a different between opinion and fact, and it's fact Nintendo will do good, and handhelds are better gaming devices.

How did it even come down to discussing the market in a thread about a naive engineer making himself look like an idiot?

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97. Posted:

@AceTrainerAndy
You're confusing. First you say the handheld market is childs play compared to ios, and then you state that the console market is where its at. But you predict Nintendo will drop out of the console market and stick with the handhelds?

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98. Posted:

Phatosaurus wrote:

AceTrainerAndy wrote:

Phatosaurus wrote:

AceTrainerAndy wrote:

OptometristLime wrote:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

AceTrainerAndy wrote:

I hate to say it, but I think they will just be a software company next gen. I think they will make handhelds but no living room consoles.

well this was contradicted quickly

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I consider handhelds and living room consoles to be a whole new level. Making handhelds barely counts, the real thing is the consoles that fight for a spot next to the the TV.

If this was posted on NeoGAF, it would be retweeted via @NeoGAFPoopPosts.

Obviously, you don't understand my post. Handhelds are childs play. That is a pretty small dieing market because of Android and iOS. The real competition is the home consoles. You can sell games for 60$ and people will buy them. If you did that with a handheld game then people wouldn't buy it. Right now Nintendo is only prominent in the Handheld market which is deteriorating very quickly due to Smartphones. Yes, sales are up, but I predict that will stop after Pokemon X and Y come out. Nintendo will only make handhelds and software after this gen. Imagine the sales they would get if they put Zelda on an Xbox! If it was no longer a Nintendo Exclusive they would sell way more in my opinion. It is comparable to Google. Google owns the Android OS, but they still develop for their competitors. Guess what? They get way more downloads like that. Yes, I know Nintendo consoles sales would go down, but what is so bad about that? They can just make software. The Wii-U is like living with a heroine addict. It is taking all of their money. Nintendo doesn't get the average gamer and they are paying (pun intended) for that . Like I said, in 2020/2021 (if the pattern continues) they will just make handhelds and software at the end of the Gen.

I completely understood your post, I even agree with parts of it, 'cept that bit I quoted.
You seem to think you have an air of superiority around and your opinions, and you keep banging on about not being a fanboy (fanboys always claim their not fanboys, funny how that works).

The handleheld console market has only lost its casual audiance to the iOS/Android devices.
Thus is the nature of the casual audiance, they come and go as they please to whatever's new and shiny at the time.

As long as there are, excuse the term, "real gamers", there'll still be a thriving handheld market.
The kind of people that own a Vita/3DS aren't satisfied with a 5 minute time waster like Temple Run. They want something with depth, something that they can get engrossed in.
Name an iOS/Android that allows for that.

Another thing to point out with the handheld consoles, lower development costs.
This leads to more innovative and origlnal titles being made since the stakes are much lower. Something like Soul Sacrifice wouldn't have been made if it was set for a home console release. See also: MGS Peace Walker, The Professor Layton games, The Ace Attorney games, Prinny 1/2, and countless other titles I can't be bothered to name right now.

To be honest, I have never met a hardcore handheld gamer. You do make a good point though, i can't name a single app game that draws me into the game to the point where I almost forget to breathe. I really don't think the hardcore handheld gamer market is there. The only reason I own a 3DS is for future Pokemon games. That is the case for most of my family and friends too.

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99. Posted:

AceTrainerAndy wrote:

Phatosaurus wrote:

AceTrainerAndy wrote:

Phatosaurus wrote:

AceTrainerAndy wrote:

OptometristLime wrote:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

AceTrainerAndy wrote:

I hate to say it, but I think they will just be a software company next gen. I think they will make handhelds but no living room consoles.

well this was contradicted quickly

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I consider handhelds and living room consoles to be a whole new level. Making handhelds barely counts, the real thing is the consoles that fight for a spot next to the the TV.

If this was posted on NeoGAF, it would be retweeted via @NeoGAFPoopPosts.

Obviously, you don't understand my post. Handhelds are childs play. That is a pretty small dieing market because of Android and iOS. The real competition is the home consoles. You can sell games for 60$ and people will buy them. If you did that with a handheld game then people wouldn't buy it. Right now Nintendo is only prominent in the Handheld market which is deteriorating very quickly due to Smartphones. Yes, sales are up, but I predict that will stop after Pokemon X and Y come out. Nintendo will only make handhelds and software after this gen. Imagine the sales they would get if they put Zelda on an Xbox! If it was no longer a Nintendo Exclusive they would sell way more in my opinion. It is comparable to Google. Google owns the Android OS, but they still develop for their competitors. Guess what? They get way more downloads like that. Yes, I know Nintendo consoles sales would go down, but what is so bad about that? They can just make software. The Wii-U is like living with a heroine addict. It is taking all of their money. Nintendo doesn't get the average gamer and they are paying (pun intended) for that . Like I said, in 2020/2021 (if the pattern continues) they will just make handhelds and software at the end of the Gen.

I completely understood your post, I even agree with parts of it, 'cept that bit I quoted.
You seem to think you have an air of superiority around and your opinions, and you keep banging on about not being a fanboy (fanboys always claim their not fanboys, funny how that works).

The handleheld console market has only lost its casual audiance to the iOS/Android devices.
Thus is the nature of the casual audiance, they come and go as they please to whatever's new and shiny at the time.

As long as there are, excuse the term, "real gamers", there'll still be a thriving handheld market.
The kind of people that own a Vita/3DS aren't satisfied with a 5 minute time waster like Temple Run. They want something with depth, something that they can get engrossed in.
Name an iOS/Android that allows for that.

Another thing to point out with the handheld consoles, lower development costs.
This leads to more innovative and origlnal titles being made since the stakes are much lower. Something like Soul Sacrifice wouldn't have been made if it was set for a home console release. See also: MGS Peace Walker, The Professor Layton games, The Ace Attorney games, Prinny 1/2, and countless other titles I can't be bothered to name right now.

To be honest, I have never met a hardcore handheld gamer. You do make a good point though, i can't name a single app game that draws me into the game to the point where I almost forget to breathe. I really don't think the hardcore handheld gamer market is there. The only reason I own a 3DS is for future Pokemon games. That is the case for most of my family and friends too.

it's because you don't know real hardcore gamers some of them walk around with three extra batteries and remove the screws on the portables so they can go back to the game as fast as possible there are even some who only play on portables so they can go out without having to stop their important matches(I might be talking about the wrong kind of hardcore though)

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AceTrainerAndy wrote:

To be honest, I have never met a hardcore handheld gamer. You do make a good point though, i can't name a single app game that draws me into the game to the point where I almost forget to breathe. I really don't think the hardcore handheld gamer market is there. The only reason I own a 3DS is for future Pokemon games. That is the case for most of my family and friends too.

Hardcore is a bad term to describe it. Just regular people that have grown up playing games that want a handheld console to plays proper games on, not some repackaged minigame on a phone to pass 5-10 minutes on.

I've only had a 3DS now for a week personally, but I bought because I liked the look of the games currently out for it and those coming in the future.
Just like a bought a PSP some time ago because I really wanted to play Peace Walker.

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